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Heartstopper | 2x7 'Sorry' (Patreon)

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2023-08-18 18:04:07
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2023-08

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Ilsuk Yang

Yeah, I want to smack David every time he comes on screen (yay Tori!). Nick and David's dad definitely took the news about Nick and Charlie better than I expected, but he's still a shirt dad! Notice that he never remembers Charlie's name and that he couldn't remember that David lives in Glasgow not Edinburgh (he also forgot that Nick has 2 years of high school left previously). And even though he took the news about Nick and Charlie as a couple better than expected, he still said "boyfriend" in a very particular way. Really, only time will tell if he will become a more engaging father or not (he'll never be a "dad" in my mind). I love how supportive Tao was with Elle getting into the program! Shows how much he's grown since earlier in the season when he got angry over the distance they felt growing between each other. Also, Tao's mom is just adorable! D'arcy's mom is a lot and my heart breaks for D'arcy each time that scene comes up 😭I love how Nick's mom is so supportive of him (she also noticed Charlie not eating much)

scarr

You are totally right that they pack SO much into these episodes! I was so unprepared for that speech from Charlie to Ben the first time I watched this and completely burst into tears. Now this show is managing to address issues around consent in these more subtle, grayer areas which are so common but rarely talked about, I find. Again, just so important for young people. Makes me really sad that I went for so long without even understanding that experiences I had which were similar to Charlie's with Ben could be the cause of feeling the way he described and lead to so much pain and maladaptive coping behaviors. Wish I'd had a show like this when I was younger (as I'm sure many others do for lots of reasons), but glad it exists now ❤️

Ilsuk Yang
>>115538502

I forgot to mention Ben in my comment, probably because I just tune him out when he's on screen 😉

Simone

People always say Ben is the worst person in the show - but I legit cannot stomach David at all. Ben is still a child, there is room for growth (or not idk), but he IS a kid. David however is a full ass adult acting like that? Fucking embarrassing, for real. I do get emotional thinking of that scene with Nick, how he took charge when he was about to be outed, due to what happened with Kit Connor, how his own coming out was stolen from him by people who felt entitled to know that kind of personal stuff.

Siobhan Linehan (edited)

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2023-08-19 07:12:21 Yeah, unfortunately I think I have to stop watching this show. I've struggled with parts of the last few episodes, so I had to build up my courage all day to watch this, and it was the darkest episode yet. They're leaning more and more towards the bad things now. Like Charlie's eating disorder and absent fathers and homophobic families and abusive familes and people not accepting who they are. The show's getting darker and darker and I can't cope with it anymore. This is annoying because I loved season 1 SO much. I was like finally, an LGBT+ focused show that's actually cheerful. I hate they've made it this depressing now. Why is it so hard to make a show about LGBT+ people that's just happy? No struggles, no pain no self harm, just people in love enjoying life. Yes it is important to show these struggles sometimes and I get that, but think of the endless shows with just straight and cis characters that are completely cheerful. So why does every LGBT+ show end up being about the bad things? I'm so sorry about saying this. I know how much you love the show and that's great. It's just not for me anymore. I hope you don't mind me saying this. If I've been too negative I apologize and I can delete this if you want. I just wanted to share how I feel.
2023-08-19 04:51:05 Yeah, unfortunately I think I have to stop watching this show. I've struggled with the dark parts in the last few episodes due to my anxiety, so I had to build up my courage all day to watch this, and this was the darkest episode yet. They're leaning more and more towards the bad things now. Like Charlie's eating disorder and absent fathers and homophobic families and abusive familes and people not accepting who they are. The show's getting darker and darker and I can't cope with it anymore. I'm sorry. But I hope you, and everyone else on your page who watches it, continues to love it. 💕

Yeah, unfortunately I think I have to stop watching this show. I've struggled with the dark parts in the last few episodes due to my anxiety, so I had to build up my courage all day to watch this, and this was the darkest episode yet. They're leaning more and more towards the bad things now. Like Charlie's eating disorder and absent fathers and homophobic families and abusive familes and people not accepting who they are. The show's getting darker and darker and I can't cope with it anymore. I'm sorry. But I hope you, and everyone else on your page who watches it, continues to love it. 💕

Cassandra Ryan
>>115554578

ben kissed charlie twice without consent. he's old enough to know that's wrong.

Travis Manning
>>115560396

Your opinions are your opinions but I think it's important for a show like this that shows the good and the bad. If this is the first time someone that is LGBTQ+ is seeing representation in the media as a youngster....they might feel like they are not alone in a bad situation. Sorry to hear you've had such a bad time with it recently :(

Siobhan Linehan
>>115561838

Oh definitely. You're completely right. I'm not saying they shouldn't show the bad things, although it would be nice to have a totally happy LGBT+ show once in while, maybe a sitcom with all LGBT+ characters. But shows like Heartstopper that show the bad things are needed and do have their place. And I fully appreciate how it can and likely does help people in the community. It's only my anxiety that's the problem, the dark themes that they're leaning in to more and more make me feel really panicky. It's hard to explain. But these are just my own personal feelings and I wouldn't ruin the enjoyment of the show for anyone else. I'm SO glad that you love it as much as you do and I hope you continue to do so. 😊

Simone
>>115554578

Eh, I'd say that depend on his upbringing. 15 is still so extremely young and no, you sadly don't always know when something is wrong. I am not excusing his actions, I just personally think David is far worse because he IS an actual adult.

Cassandra Ryan
>>115554578

this show takes place post metoo. everyone knows what consent is, and given how progressive the show is, i highly doubt he wasn't taught consent at an early age by at least an educator. you're excusing his actions because he's a teenager and he doesn't "know better", and i think that's complete bull. david is a horrible person as well. they both suck, they're both the worst. but ben still touched somebody else without their consent more than once. especially the kiss in season 1. that was clear assault, he used a moment when charlie was clearly distressed/doesn't have his guard up and he pounced. if no one was to ever check him on that behaviour, it'd get worse. age does not matter when it comes to acts of assault.

Kat
>>115554578

This statement (about Ben maybe not being educated on consent) could apply to Ben and Charlie’s first kiss, but absolutely no way does it apply to the assault in episode 1. If you think it does, I suggest you rewatch that episode because I think you are probably misremembering what happened. Ben knew what he was doing. And while in isolation the first time Ben kissed Charlie without asking isn’t necessarily an intentional consent violation, when it’s part of a pattern of behavior you have to look at it again. As Charlie says, it all stems from the same issue of Ben not ever caring or prioritizing what Charlie might want - it was all about what Ben wanted. That’s a much deeper issue than just “he’s not educated on consent.” There’s a deep level of selfishness and lack of respect for other people that is extremely concerning. Maybe David has less of a chance of turning things around because he’s older - but at this point Ben is much more dangerous. They’re different kinds of crappy, so it’s difficult to compare them.

Flo
>>115560396

I understand where you’re coming from. It completely caught me off guard HOW dark the show went compared to the first season and I think the fact that I wasn’t ready combined with the fact that I relate to Charlie (and Tao to an extent) on a DEEP level really messed with my emotions to the point that my first watch was a real struggle, but I was watching with my 14 y/o cousin and she was very excited so I pushed through my inner turmoil for her sake. (Had I known what topics were coming up I would’ve watched it alone) But I do think it is important to bring these darker topics to light, both to reduce stigma but also so that young people who’re going through similar things can get an idea on how to communicate their struggles in a good way.