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GLEE | 3x6 'Mash Off' (Patreon)

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Manfred
>>98859218

Soooo true like I’ve seen in this patreon comments most people always defending Santana for everything awful she says or does like I get you have favorite characters of course but they ARE NOT Perfect…🤷🏾‍♂️ I have no idea what I would’ve done if I was in Finn’s shoes cus there is just so much a person can take if they receive insults everyday for 3 years by the same person including body shaming me, specially back in those days were there wasn’t much filter and consciousness about insults and name calling in general.

Manfred
>>98939963

Agree. Been closeted or in process of discovering your sexuality doesn’t give you the right to be an awful person or to do whatever you want to anyone. Period. Plus they really didn’t amped her insults up they just made her throw a lot of them in a short period of time, she has always body shamed Finn pretty sure since season 1🤷🏾‍♂️

Manfred
>>99013215

Body shaming isn’t something to take lightly or diminish by saying someone is “chubby”…

Lina Distadio (edited)

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2023-11-15 15:17:17 It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.
2023-11-15 15:17:17 It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.
2023-11-15 15:17:17 It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.
2023-11-15 15:17:17 It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.
2023-11-15 15:17:17 It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.
2023-11-15 15:17:17 It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.
2023-11-15 15:17:17 It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.
2023-11-15 15:17:17 It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.
2023-11-15 15:17:17 It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.
2023-11-15 15:17:17 It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.
2023-11-15 15:17:17 It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.
2023-11-15 15:17:17 It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.
2023-11-15 15:17:17 It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.
2023-11-15 15:17:17 It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.
2023-11-15 15:17:17 It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.
2023-11-15 15:17:17 It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.
2023-11-15 15:17:17 It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.
2023-11-11 22:51:47 It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.
>>99126479

It is never okay to out somebody even if they bully you it is not okay to out somebody. Period end of. All of this is like "it's never okay but..." bullshit is actual toxic mess coming out of y'all's faces and it's wild. She shouldn't have been bullying him but there is absolutely no situation in which you should be saying that that was Finn's only option the whole first half of your comment is Lowkey gross.

Morgan

Absolutely love the "Rumour Has It/Someone Like You" cover in this episode. It is easily my favorite cover from Glee (I still listen to it on a weekly basis). Even though the performance is meant to be a group performance always thought it was a performance where Naya Rivera truly shined. Naya's vocals paired with her acting in the scene right before the performance, during the performance itself, and in the scene right after the performance made such a great sequence of scenes where she portrayed how Santana was vulnerable, scared, and angry because she was going to be outed on a wide scale when she was already struggling to come to terms with her sexuality. I have a love/hate relationship with this episode I like/love most the covers in this episode but hate how the writers had a whole storyline arc showing us how Santana was struggling to come to terms with her sexuality only to make her over-the-top rude (honestly meaner then she has ever been in a episode) in this episode as a way to try to justify Finn outing her. To me the highlights of this episode and the next episode are Naya Rivera's acting (both when it came to comedic timing in certain scenes and the drama/serious scenes) and singing performances. The start of Season 3 started slow in my opinion but from this episode onward there are some great episodes and great music performances.

EmmWork

Yessss RHI/SLY is in my top 5 fav covers from Glee! Love love love this episode!

Jasmine Lambert

every time i see a reactor get to this episode i feel like i have to yell this from the rooftops, but do you notice how the writers made santana so much nastier in this episode alone so that viewers would think finn outing her was justified??? like yes we know santana is a bitchy character and she has her moments but the writing for her this episode was just so mean like the writers needed a reason to make finn out her when usually she just has a funny backhanded remark here and there. this storyline is really important especially leading into the next ep but i feel like there are so many other ways they could have gone about it rather than exaggerating santana's meanness just to make finn outing her seem okay. other than that i do really like this episode but seeing people defend finn will always make my blood boil because outing has the potential to ruin lives, and he already bodyshamed santana back by calling her an assless jlo so there was no need for him to go that far especially in a public hallway like he is really that dumb lol

Gemma Rivera

So much to unpack here. I'm going to start with the acting...superb and top notch performances in this one, but I have to say that Naya's acting just blows me away. Between this episode and the next one (they don't just abandon this storyline Travis, so don't worry). I fully believe that if Ryan Murphy didn't have his favorites, that they would have campaigned for her for the awards shows because damn did she deserve it. I believe that it's Ryan's constant desire to keep Finn and Rachel as the protagonists that the episode feels uneven and out of character. Yes, they did purposely ramp up Santana's insults to justify their perceived hero's actions. Again, credit goes to Naya for delivering those page long monologues of insults with a straight face and believable (the cast has always said that she memorized those pages right before the scene and would never mess up her lines). Also, Naya is one of the nicest and most loved cast members so she really had to dig deep into her skills as an actor to pull it off. Check out the behind the scenes look for the slap if you get a chance https://youtu.be/BIRKr0iqzr0 Nothing in my mind ever justifies outing someone in a crowded hallway like that. What makes it even worse for me is that Finn's stepbrother is Kurt and he saw first hand what Kurt went through, so for me, I have to hold Finn accountable here because he absolutely knew better. I don't condone violence as the answer so yes, I don't like that they had Santana go so far with it, but I understand it and remember the perspective that she is just a teenager and is still learning and going through her journey just like the others. As far as the mashups go, Rumor Has It/Someone Like You is in my top 5 glee numbers of all time. I Can't Go For That/Make My Dreams Come True is one that I usually forget exists. My second favorite mashup of this episode is Hit Me With Your Best Shot/One Way or Another. A rare Finn and Santana collaboration and I just loved the scene behind it all. They had so much fun filming it and you can check out the behind the scenes for that as well https://youtu.be/BldcSzzOh10 Great reaction Travis! Looking forward to the next one

Annie Willow

I hate that Finn claims he knows anything about the depth of Santana and Brittany’s relationship and what they have gone through and will continue to go through. Calling Santana a coward when he just stood by and watched his own stepbrother get bullied, physicality assaulted, and forced to transfer schools because of his sexuality instead of protecting him and standing up to the bullies with him, now that’s cowardice. The only reason Kurt was able to come back to McKinley was because of Santana getting through to Karofsky and getting him to see the harm he was causing Kurt and potentially others. I don’t care what Santana called Finn, he knew exactly what harm he could cause by outing her in the middle of a crowded school hallway. There was nothing Santana could have said to him to justify being outed. His actions were completely unforgivable.

Ilsuk Yang

Man, you are on fire with the content today! I literally thought you were just going to post Lone Star reactions, then bam! Captain America: Civil War and this are posted! Seriously, posting 4 episodes and a two-and-a-half hour movie in one day is impressive (I hope it was more spread out when you recorded these, lol). Anyways, onto this episode. It's definitely not my favorite. Honestly, I mainly liked the opening and ending songs, everything else was ok. Not a fan of what Santana and Finn did and said to each other in this episode, but I do think that it was (mostly) in line with their characters with some embellishment on the part of the writers. I'm not really here for the drama of the show (that part of the show has never really appealed to me all that much). I've always been about the music with this show. My one complaint with the music in the show (of which this episode is very indicative of) is that the performances can be a bit too cookie-cutter/generic/overly produced sounding (if that makes sense at all, lol). I mean, pretty much everyone on this show is talented enough where they don't need to give "that type of sound" if you catch my drift. Ok, rant over! Commence with dodge ball avalanche!

Spaceydoodle

i'm not generally an Adele fan, but, I really like that mashup. one of my favs in the show.

Staton Chapman

Rachel was actually more mature than Finn this episode for sure

SuBin Kim
>>98791397

I mean I remember one of the cast members saying that Cory prepared for playing Finn by just completely emptying out his mind, so yeah Finn I think just lacks awareness and it also has to do with the fact that the writers just love using random characters to do certain storylines. Like how they had Santana joke about domestic violence and Kurt saying that bisexuality isn't a thing... I could go on. There are times where I also sometimes think that where these characters live could have something to do with it as well. I mean Glee is set in Ohio, which lets face it isn't exactly the most LGBTQ+ friendly state, so I'm guessing a lot of the youth wouldn't exactly be educated about the whole community and what they go through on a daily basis.

SuBin Kim
>>98792615

Couldn’t we technically use the whole “blame the writers” excuse for Finn’s shortcomings this episode as well? I see so many people blame the writers for so many characters shortcomings like when Santana made a joke about domestic violence. And this episode where people blame the writers for amping up Santana’s meanness to justify Finn outing her. I could just as easily say that the writers amped up Finn’s stupidity and obliviousness which resulted in him outing Santana. But no one ever seems to use the “hey let’s blame the writers” excuse ever for Finn. I personally think if people are going to blame the writers they should blame them for ALL character’s shortcomings and not just a select few. It’s either none of it is the writers fault or all of it is. Which I personally lean towards let’s blame the writers for all of it considering they are the ones writing the scripts and having characters do and say messed up shit all the time

SuBin Kim

I don’t understand why people don’t use the “blame the writers” excuse for Finn’s shortcomings this episode as well? I see so many people blame the writers for so many characters shortcomings like when Santana made a joke about domestic violence. And this episode where people blame the writers for amping up Santana’s meanness to justify Finn outing her. I could just as easily say that the writers amped up Finn’s stupidity and obliviousness which resulted in him outing Santana. But no one ever seems to use the “hey let’s blame the writers” excuse ever for Finn. I personally think if people are going to blame the writers they should blame them for ALL character’s shortcomings and not just a select few. It’s either none of it is the writers fault or all of it is. Which I personally lean towards let’s blame the writers for all of it considering they are the ones writing the scripts and having characters do and say messed up shit all the time

Gemma Rivera
>>98792615

I might use the blame the writers excuse in this case if it came out of nowhere, but they spent a good couple of episodes in the first season and second season building a storyline for Finn exactly around this and even had Burt ream him out about it. The storyline with Karofsky's threats also made sure that Finn was aware of the real life threats that come with bullying within the LGBTQ community. If the writers hadn't spent all that time building the storyline and showing Finn's growth along the way, especially during the wedding of their parents, then I might be more forgiving of Finn in this situation. The other instances you cited about Santana and even Kurt are examples of how teenagers sometimes let their feelings get the better of them and they say thoughtless remarks. Kurt was upset about losing out on a chance with Blaine and expressed something that was was consistent with feelings of jealousy and no further thought about how insensitive his remark was and Santana could have easily joked about something inappropriate in the moment to get a laugh out of her classmates, I know that I have done that at times in the past. Since there were no previous examples of them having learned that lesson, then I say that it's a misstep that will hopefully help them learn to be more thoughtful and deliberate with those types of comments in the future.

Cynorin
>>98859218

I think people don't blame the writers for Finn in this episode because he had homophobic moments prior to this episode. (hope I didn't make any mistakes since english isn't my first language)

SuBin Kim
>>98859218

Moments? He had one sort of homophobic moment where he called a lamp faggy. Which I kind of got because back then that word was used quite frequently in rap songs. The past few years have been learning moments for all of us where certain words that we took lightly back then we now know hold certain weight. So I’m not sure if it was a homophobic moment; I saw it as more of an ignorant teen whose privacy was getting stripped. Finn was already trying to come to grips that his mom was moving on and moving in with someone else and now he also has to come to grips that now he has to share a room.

SuBin Kim
>>98792615

you could make valid reasonings for Finn as well. Finn was being pushed by his football teammates and being called gay and whatnot and whether Finn said it out loud or not he cared about his reputation because he had crappy self esteem so he saw football as the only thing keeping him somewhat "cool". So he lashed out at Kurt because he, unfortunately, was the easiest one to lash out to because Kurt was making a these decisions about their room when Finn at first never even wanted to move in with them so all this crap led to him lashing out. He was very open about how he thought he wasn't good enough at anything and he was also open about how he didn't love his body very much so it didn't help that Santana was constantly making jabs about his body and yes they made her even more cruel to Finn this episode, but lets not make it seem as though Santana didn't make plenty comments about Finn's body prior to this episode. I mean what if that led to him having an eating disorder? Also, lets not forget that Santana also wasn't being too quiet when she was talking to Karofsky about him still being in the closet while they were in a very public, crowded area. I'm saying all this to say that no Finn isn't homophobic. Has he had some unflattering moments that showed his ignorance? Yes, but having a few ignorant moments doesn't make someone homophobic.

Erin

The Adele mashup is hands down the best thing that Glee has ever done. I will die on this hill. Outing someone is never okay not matter the circumstances. As someone stated above, it's evident that they made Santana insanely harsh in this episode to justify Finn's actions. It just goes to show who is favored in this writer's room. I mean, even the villain of the show, Sue, responded with empathy and care.

Gemma Rivera
>>98792615

I never thought that Finn was homophobic in any way, that is not what I meant by holding him accountable. I meant he needs to be held accountable for his thoughtless actions, especially given what he's been through and lived with in his own home because the hope is that he would have countered with something other than Santana's sexuality given his experiences. Santana confronted Karofsky in a coffee shop in a one on one conversation where she also gave him the power of her own secret in the next breath (He was actually the first person she came out to), which shows to me that she understood the seriousness of what she was confronting him with. This is very different from Finn practically shouting it at her as she was walking away in a crowded hallway where people were visibly watching and listening to them. He also knew how vicious their school could be. Finn has come a long way from being a part of the group who bullied the very same people that he is now close to because of glee. It's very nice to see how much he has progressed, which is why I was disappointed about his choice to out her even though he was pushed. If he's not held accountable, then the gravity of the consequences that people face when being outed is greatly diminished. People who are publicly outed have to face the fear of being rejected and possibly disowned by their families among other things. So yes, I would have liked to have seen him have to be faced with the reality that his moment of weakness resulted in some pretty disastrous consequences. I would have liked to have seen him really understand the seriousness of the consequences of his actions in a moment of weakness and showing him really feeling hurt and regret for what he did whether he meant to or not, like he did when he apologized to Brittany for calling her stupid. That is reality. We don't always have ill intentions when we act, but our actions do have consequences and I think that having him learning the lesson of really taking more time to think before he acts could have shown him to be who I believe him to be at his core. And it could have been a good example for all of us to do the same in our lives because I feel like the world would be a much better place if we all did that.

Siobhan Linehan

Another great reaction. 👍 As shown by the strong opinions and debates going on in the comments here, this is a controversial episode. I disagree with the people saying they made Santana too mean, Santana has always been really mean. Or do we forget her saying that Tina's proably looked in to getting an eye deslanting, that she's attacked Finn's weight and body image numerous times before this episode and that she's called every person in the Glee club a horrible name at one point or another. And, no spoilers, but what's to come from her is even worse. Now I never ever condone outing someone. But I understand what the writers were doing here. Santana is an open book with everyone and the only thing she hides is her sexuality, that's the only piece of information that Finn has that could get to her. So in that moment when Santana was going at him Finn just blurted it out. He didn't mean to, he was pushed to that point. And I actually found that interesting because I'm sure all of us have been so angry that we've said something we regret. It doesn't make us bad people, it's a natural human reaction in a moment of heightened pain and rage. And I think that's what the writers wanted to highlight by doing this. I totally understand why so many people hate Finn for what he did, but I do see things from his perspective. Whereas there are things he does in season 5 that I feel are actually unforgivable. This situation here, I forgive Finn for. And I hope no one will hate me for saying that. Also before anyone says it, I know exactly what it feels like to be outed. But on a lighter note, you liked Rachel in this episode and that makes me so happy. 😂

Ally D.
>>98939963

I agree with everything you said!! I don’t think it’s ever okay to purposefully out people, but Finn was really pushed super far. And Santana was and always will be a bully to everyone around her. I love Santana (and Naya): she’s hilarious. But she is constantly super mean to everyone around her except for Brittany, and people saying the writers “made her more mean” this episode it a bad argument on their part. She’s always mean.

Siobhan Linehan

Thanks Ally! Finally someone who sees the show in the same way I do. 😊

Capri Zonica

"Assless JLo" made me cackle and bet it was unbeknownst to Naya because that giggle was not Santana's :V No one can upinsult her. I can only imagine a Sue/Santana duel.

TimeLord10

Outing someone is never justified, no matter what someone says to you. You never know how people are going to react. Outing people can get them killed. I remember the first time I kissed a girl. This was when I was in high school before I realized I was transgender or bisexual. I had a friend who was a lesbian, and I was curious. I didn't know someone was still in the classroom with us. It turned out that it was one of the kids from my neighborhood. They told their parents, who told my parents. It was a big thing for my "Christian" family. I was terrified. I lied my ass off. I wasn't ready for the consequences of them knowing. I didn't actually come out to people until I no longer lived in their house, just in case. Being outed and/or coming out can be either the best thing to ever happen to you or the most traumatizing thing you ever go through and you have no way of knowing until it happens.

Travis Manning
>>99013215

I'm in the same boat as you really. I don't see the justifications for outing someone whatsoever.

Breadcrumbs
>>99013215

you know what else can be one of the most traumatizing experiences someone has? Being the victim of bullying, especially when it's done by someone as horrible as Santana (or Sue). Outing someone is never okay, but neither is the behavior of the bullies on this show. They are both equally bad, and both can lead to the loss of life, because of the actions of other people.

Travis Manning
>>99013215

Usually kids being bullied have the options to talk to their parents or someone else about that problem. Someone that is closeted about their sexuality doesn’t tend to have that. Many parents of gay, lesbian, transgender kids aren’t accepting or at least there’s still the fear they won’t be. I would assume that most parents don’t hate their children for being chubby. To me it’s not really the same. But we can agree to disagree :)

leslie martin

truth is Santana was awful, not only in this ep but she always had this vendetta against Finn (and Rachel), when they never did anything to her in the first place. she deserved to be put back in her place bc she's been insulting everyone and their mothers for nothing, and Finn needed to stop playing nice and finally stick up to her. Finn knew that the only thing she could be hurt about would be about her being in love with Brittany but afraid to show it. truth is, it's never okay to out someone, as much as Santana deserved to be hurt and put back in her place, it's not okay. but i also can't help but think about the fact that Finn is a straight white male that is a bit clueless about life in general and i don't think he did it in a "yay everyone's gonna know she's a lesbian now and hopefully she gets bullied bc of her sexuality". anyway, Santana was horrible, she deserved to get the same treatment she has been giving to everyone for 3 seasons straight, but outing her was not okay, but also i don't think Finn did it in a malicious way of "outing her" and he more so did it in a "she's talking about my insecurities, i'm gonna talk about hers" but ONCE AGAIN, not okay. so basically i don't even know what to think anymore lol everything is bad, everything is wrong lol

quinintheclouds

Y'know, I used to be super uncomfortable watching episodes involving Puck and Shelby because of the gross teacher/student stuff, but now that we know... what we know about the actor who plays Puck, seeing him interact with Beth makes those scenes borderline unwatchable for me. (Though I still get grossed out by the student teacher plotline as well) As for the Finn/Santana stuff -- AGREED. Yes, Santana was being awful, a bully, fatshaming and cruel. That does not give Finn the right to OUT her. Obviously both are terrible, and I do not want to diminish the harm that Santana's words could inflict on Finn's self-esteem, but outing someone is a different ballgame. Coming out it so, so huge, and you'd think Finn would understand that after everything his now-brother Kurt went through. Saying it out loud in a hallway? Dude, you HAVE to know how dangerous that is. Outing can ruin someone's entire life, get them killed, kicked out and homeless, etc., etc., and it should ALWAYS be someone's personal choice if, when, to whom, and how to come out on their own terms. Glad you're on that page as well