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Haikyu!! 4x24: "Monsters' Ball" // Early Reaction and Discussion (Patreon)

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2022-12-20 16:43:38
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0:00 Intro 0:04 Reaction to Show 14:54 Discussion

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Preetam Ozarde (edited)

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2022-12-30 23:16:53 Hey! Great reaction as always! This is going to be a long one. You guys already spoke about Hinata's immense growth as a volleyball player so I won't address it too much. Though for me, this match, was more important for Kageyama because it completes his character arc. The manga did a better job of showing this in my opinion. Here are a few instances: - When Ukai says that he is going to change the rotation in the third set, it shows his thought process. He says that Kageyama upto this point (even before the third set) is playing the game of his life. He relies on this and tasks him with going one on one with a top five ace hoping that his great play as a setter and server(where he is on par with the best high school setter and server) will extend to his blocking as well. This was such a gamble given that they got destroyed in the second set. And he delivers by taking his game up another level again in the third set. He remarks on it again when Kageyama brings Karasuno back from 22-24 down in the third set to leading 25-24 with his serves and crazy set to Tanaka, saying 'seriously his game today...'. Also when he does his service ace, in the anime Osamu says 'what the hell's is his deal'. In the manga it's something like 'Seriously, what is his deal? Isn't he still just a first year?'. Basically remarking on how this is supposed to be just his second game during his first time at nationals against the second best team in the nation and how absurd his play is considering he's a first year. Also referenced by Suguru saying 'This is going beyond amazing to annoying'. - In the anime, when he sets to Tanaka, Tanaka says 'That wasn't just encouragement. All of this trust he's put in me, I'm going to see it through'. In the manga however it goes like this. 'There's no way that was just plain old encouragement. That was also a threat. He was saying... Show them WHY I have faith you'. The next chapter in the manga is called threat/trust. Basically, Kageyama’s tosses to his teammates are both a gift of respect in that it’s filled with his faith in them, yet also loaded with the responsibility to live up to this trust. Kageyama’s threat (trust) is the way he intimidates his own teammates with his absolute faith in them and the heavy weight of expectations his brand of trust carries. His tosses tell his teammates they have two options: either fall off the edge of the cliff or trust me to take you beyond and fly (and trust yourself to make the point because I do & because I will make sure to put you in the best situation to score). Hence him joining his hands in gratitude afterwards for Tanaka rewarding his faith in him and also saying to Tsukki 'it's my fault, I estimated wrong'. Because he's supposed to know the current conditions of the team and to put them in the best situation for them to score by giving them perfect tosses with the most options with all of this in mind. After that however, he trusts his teammates to give their best because he's put them in the perfect position to score. His absolute faith in them with no words involved is also a threat. Just like when Oikawa says before each match 'I believe in you guys' it also a threat. That's why Asahi in this episode says that though he is jealous of the new players who will hit these sets (because they are always the best no matter how bad the receive is or where he is setting from), but he also feels sorry for them because they will be forced to bear the heavy burden of living upto Kageyama's trust. Kageyama's finally figured out the perfect balance between being 'king of the court' and 'goody two shoes'. Just goes to show just how important a moment his recrowning was. - But this threat/trust goes both ways. It is shown with Hinata because even Kageyama gets tired. When he manages to tip the ball, he expects Hinata to complain because the toss wasn't the best. But Hinata knows that it took everything he had to just keep the ball in play and as it was the best he could do he accepts it gratefully. When he says 'Gimme the next one too', he inturn reminds/threatens(trusts) Kageyama to keep giving his all even if he is already playing at 120%. As long as it's the best that Kageyama can do, Hinata won't complain but he does hold Kageyama to a certain standard. I think the anime could have done a better job connecting all these scenes. - Also, showing Oikawa last episode just before Kita's speech was very significant. Of course, one reason is because Oikawa realizes that Kageyama is now able to bring out 120% of all his teammates. But there is another. Kita's speech where he says that 'if you think they are geniuses from the start, you've lost even before you had a match with them and it's rude'. It applies to Oikawa more than anyone. For a long time, Oikawa thought that Kageyama was just a genius and that he would eventually lose to him because of that. But once he receives direction from the coach/mentor in S2 (the flashback before the final point in the match against Seijoh) he finally lets go of this mindset and is able to continue on the path in front of him without any reservations. He is even able to advise Kageyama on how to improve the quick without fearing his growth (which before this he obstinately refused to do fearing exactly that like not teaching him how to serve). No longer bound by such notions and with nothing holding him back he keeps running ahead believing that he can indeed be the best but he still can't help but be frustrated seeing how much progress Kageyama has made in such a short amount of time. Sorry for such a long comment and I don't know whether you'll be able to read it.
2022-12-20 19:37:59 Hey! Great reaction as always! This is going to be a long one. You guys already spoke about Hinata's immense growth as a volleyball player so I won't address it too much. Though for me, this match, was more important for Kageyama because it completes his character arc. The manga did a better job of showing this in my opinion. Here are a few instances: - When Ukai says that he is going to change the rotation in the third set, it shows his thought process. He says that Kageyama upto this point (even before the third set) is playing the game of his life. He relies on this and tasks him with going one on one with a top five ace hoping that his great play as a setter and server(where he is on par with the best high school setter and server) will extend to his blocking as well. This was such a gamble given that they got destroyed in the second set. And he delivers by taking his game up another level again in the third set. He remarks on it again when Kageyama brings Karasuno back from 22-24 down in the third set to leading 25-24 with his serves and crazy set to Tanaka, saying 'seriously his game today...'. Also when he does his service ace, in the anime Osamu says 'what the hell's is his deal'. In the manga it's something like 'Seriously, what is his deal? Isn't he still just a first year?'. Basically remarking on how this is supposed to be just his second game during his first time at nationals against the second best team in the nation and how absurd his play is considering he's a first year. Also referenced by Suguru saying 'This is going beyond amazing to annoying'. - In the anime, when he sets to Tanaka, Tanaka says 'That wasn't just encouragement. All of this trust he's put in me, I'm going to see it through'. In the manga however it goes like this. 'There's no way that was just plain old encouragement. That was also a threat. He was saying... Show them WHY I have faith you'. The next chapter in the manga is called threat/trust. Basically, Kageyama’s tosses to his teammates are both a gift of respect in that it’s filled with his faith in them, yet also loaded with the responsibility to live up to this trust. Kageyama’s threat (trust) is the way he intimidates his own teammates with his absolute faith in them and the heavy weight of expectations his brand of trust carries. His tosses tell his teammates they have two options: either fall off the edge of the cliff or trust me to take you beyond and fly (and trust yourself to make the point because I do & because I will make sure to put you in the best situation to score). Hence him joining his hands in gratitude afterwards for Tanaka rewarding his faith in him and also saying to Tsukki 'it's my fault, I estimated wrong'. Because he's supposed to know the current conditions of the team and to put them in the best situation for them to score by giving them perfect tosses with the most options with all of this in mind. After that however, he trusts his teammates to give their best because he's put them in the perfect position to score. His absolute faith in them with no words involved is also a threat. Just like when Oikawa says before each match 'I believe in you guys' it also a threat. That's why Asahi in this episode says that though he is jealous of the new players who will hit these sets (because they are always the best no matter how bad the receive is or where he is setting from), but he also feels sorry for them because they will be forced to bear the heavy burden of living upto Kageyama's trust. Kageyama's finally figured out the perfect balance between being 'king of the court' and 'goody two shoes'. Just goes to show just how important a moment his recrowning was. - But this threat/trust goes both ways. It is shown with Hinata because even Kageyama gets tired. When he manages to tip the ball, he expects Hinata to complain because the toss wasn't the best. But Hinata knows that it took everything he had to just keep the ball in play and as it was the best he could do he accepts it gratefully. When he says 'Gimme the next one too', he inturn reminds/threatens(trusts) Kageyama to keep giving his all even if he is already playing at 120%. As long as it's the best that Kageyama can do, Hinata won't complain but he does hold Kageyama to a certain standard. I think the anime could have done a better job connecting all these scenes. - Also, showing Oikawa last episode just before Kita's speech was very significant. Of course, one reason is because Oikawa realizes that Kageyama is now able to bring out 120% of all his teammates. But there is another. Kita's speech where he says that 'if you think they are geniuses from the start, you've lost even before you had a match with them and it's rude'. It applies to Oikawa more than anyone. For a long time, Oikawa thought that Kageyama was just a genius and that he would eventually lose to him because of that. But once he receives direction from the coach/mentor in S2 (the flashback before the final point in the match against Seijoh) he finally lets go of this mindset and is able to continue on the path in front of him without any reservations. He is even able to advise Kageyama on how to improve the quick without fearing his growth (which before this he obstinately refused to do fearing exactly that like not teaching him how to serve). No longer bound by such notions and with nothing holding him back he keeps running ahead believing that he can indeed be the best but he still can't help but be frustrated seeing how much progress Kageyama has made in such a short amount of time. Sorry for such a long comment and I don't know whether you'll be able to read it.

Hey! Great reaction as always! This is going to be a long one. You guys already spoke about Hinata's immense growth as a volleyball player so I won't address it too much. Though for me, this match, was more important for Kageyama because it completes his character arc. The manga did a better job of showing this in my opinion. Here are a few instances: - When Ukai says that he is going to change the rotation in the third set, it shows his thought process. He says that Kageyama upto this point (even before the third set) is playing the game of his life. He relies on this and tasks him with going one on one with a top five ace hoping that his great play as a setter and server(where he is on par with the best high school setter and server) will extend to his blocking as well. This was such a gamble given that they got destroyed in the second set. And he delivers by taking his game up another level again in the third set. He remarks on it again when Kageyama brings Karasuno back from 22-24 down in the third set to leading 25-24 with his serves and crazy set to Tanaka, saying 'seriously his game today...'. Also when he does his service ace, in the anime Osamu says 'what the hell's is his deal'. In the manga it's something like 'Seriously, what is his deal? Isn't he still just a first year?'. Basically remarking on how this is supposed to be just his second game during his first time at nationals against the second best team in the nation and how absurd his play is considering he's a first year. Also referenced by Suguru saying 'This is going beyond amazing to annoying'. - In the anime, when he sets to Tanaka, Tanaka says 'That wasn't just encouragement. All of this trust he's put in me, I'm going to see it through'. In the manga however it goes like this. 'There's no way that was just plain old encouragement. That was also a threat. He was saying... Show them WHY I have faith you'. The next chapter in the manga is called threat/trust. Basically, Kageyama’s tosses to his teammates are both a gift of respect in that it’s filled with his faith in them, yet also loaded with the responsibility to live up to this trust. Kageyama’s threat (trust) is the way he intimidates his own teammates with his absolute faith in them and the heavy weight of expectations his brand of trust carries. His tosses tell his teammates they have two options: either fall off the edge of the cliff or trust me to take you beyond and fly (and trust yourself to make the point because I do & because I will make sure to put you in the best situation to score). Hence him joining his hands in gratitude afterwards for Tanaka rewarding his faith in him and also saying to Tsukki 'it's my fault, I estimated wrong'. Because he's supposed to know the current conditions of the team and to put them in the best situation for them to score by giving them perfect tosses with the most options with all of this in mind. After that however, he trusts his teammates to give their best because he's put them in the perfect position to score. His absolute faith in them with no words involved is also a threat. Just like when Oikawa says before each match 'I believe in you guys' it also a threat. That's why Asahi in this episode says that though he is jealous of the new players who will hit these sets (because they are always the best no matter how bad the receive is or where he is setting from), but he also feels sorry for them because they will be forced to bear the heavy burden of living upto Kageyama's trust. Kageyama's finally figured out the perfect balance between being 'king of the court' and 'goody two shoes'. Just goes to show just how important a moment his recrowning was. - But this threat/trust goes both ways. It is shown with Hinata because even Kageyama gets tired. When he manages to tip the ball, he expects Hinata to complain because the toss wasn't the best. But Hinata knows that it took everything he had to just keep the ball in play and as it was the best he could do he accepts it gratefully. When he says 'Gimme the next one too', he inturn reminds/threatens(trusts) Kageyama to keep giving his all even if he is already playing at 120%. As long as it's the best that Kageyama can do, Hinata won't complain but he does hold Kageyama to a certain standard. I think the anime could have done a better job connecting all these scenes. - Also, showing Oikawa last episode just before Kita's speech was very significant. Of course, one reason is because Oikawa realizes that Kageyama is now able to bring out 120% of all his teammates. But there is another. Kita's speech where he says that 'if you think they are geniuses from the start, you've lost even before you had a match with them and it's rude'. It applies to Oikawa more than anyone. For a long time, Oikawa thought that Kageyama was just a genius and that he would eventually lose to him because of that. But once he receives direction from the coach/mentor in S2 (the flashback before the final point in the match against Seijoh) he finally lets go of this mindset and is able to continue on the path in front of him without any reservations. He is even able to advise Kageyama on how to improve the quick without fearing his growth (which before this he obstinately refused to do fearing exactly that like not teaching him how to serve). No longer bound by such notions and with nothing holding him back he keeps running ahead believing that he can indeed be the best but he still can't help but be frustrated seeing how much progress Kageyama has made in such a short amount of time. Sorry for such a long comment and I don't know whether you'll be able to read it.

Alex

u should write a book buddy

Preetam Ozarde
>>98093018

I couldn't help it lol I thought they could have paced the match the better than they did in the anime It was good don't get me wrong, just could have been better