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Bakemonogatari 1x8: "Suruga Monkey, Part 3" // Reaction and Discussion (Patreon)

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Bakemonogatari 1x8: "Suruga Monkey, Part 3" // Reaction and Discussion

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Milk Tea

Monogatari days are the best days

Dominik Lux

u seem quite interested in the topic of monogatari. But with there being 104 episodes and 3 movies (100min, 100min, 120min) and the rest of the episodes of the currently airing off & monster season, at your current rate, it would take you another TWO YEARS to finish it. Would a 2 Ep/Week rate be possible? Another idea could be one arc per week (only for those with 2-3 Ep) and you could split the longer ones over two weeks and the longest arc, Karen Bee (7 Ep), could be split over 3 weeks (2-2-3)

TheMightyAnt

hell yea my fav character comes up next episode!

Vasto

It would be hard with those "predictions" since we have 10 seasons 3 movies, and i have no f idea how the ending should even look in this series. Also i never was a person into waifu/husbando stuff, but if someone really asked me to choose someone Senjougahara would take all places in top 3.

Gabriel Cabral
>>146209931

I think Ben was talking about the ending of the arc type of thing, I could be wrong tho

Meow_Lin
>>146209311

I do agree, as much as I love watching their reactions to this. There's just too much content to cover at one episode per week. Two years is an insane amount of time, not that I personally mind. But not saying it wouldn't be nice if we did 2 or 3 eps a week for every arc that's only 2 or 3 eps like you say with the longer ones spread out to one ep a day.

Priam

Fav coming up next arc, with their talk about their prediction I wonder if they'll be disappointed with the ending of her arc and may be even notice how intentionally different it's conclusion is, would be bonkers.

Russell Gambardella

Ben is what you might call an expert in the field of chair theory, thee semi-passable excuse for an authority. Haha, goated discussion, can't wait for you both to experience the rest of the series!

Ecodude
>>146209311

But will they do something like that? It would be nice but I don't see it happening lol

Ecodude

oof after watching their faces when Shinobu was drinking Araragi's blood, I think that they are not ready for Kizu or Nise lmao

Asbjørn Kennedy

The amount of monogatari episodes I'm looking forward to rewatching with these two is staggering. And also it's so fun to see them wondering about wtf happened during Araragi's spring break :'D

sunshine

great reactions and commentary as usual! oh yeah don't worry, the characters will remain a part of the narrative for a long, long time, and you're gonna see them play each other in all sorts of fun ways. it was so cool how senjougahara dealt with kanbaru, telling her the much needed harsh truth while also requesting her to be with her instead of cancelling her outta her life forever. the fight was so fucking brutal, I remembered how shocked I was too first time.

sunshine

about the shinobu moment, I'd feel really awful if I didn't tell you guys this, think of it as a heads-up warning, this show, despite being one of my favs, and imo having some of the best writing ever, and the best girl of all time in senjou, is notorious for its sexualization of minors. japan isn't as advanced as the US when it comes to things like that, that's why you'd see tons of school girls sexualization in so many anime, low angles, jiggely physics, all that ugliness, the way shinobu was sitting with araragi was far from appropriate, there've never been full intercourse throughout the show, but tons of stuff like that moment, inappropriate touches, kisses, nudity, etc, the next arc in particular has a long atrocious uncomfortable scene, and also one of the coming seasons nisemonogatari is absolutely maddening in how full of it, but if you survive those like we did, which I really hope you will be able to, you'll be in for one of the best anime ever made, one of the most personal journeys, characters so relatable and meticulously, honestly written, what you've seen so far is nothing but a small taste of how much more great it'll get, if you absolutely couldn't take it anymore, at least make it all the way to the end of monogatari 2nd season, easily the best anime season ever made imo.

sunshine
>>146219053

they're totally justified in feeling that way, you'd wish your fav piece of fiction was pure and perfect but that's just life

Isa Naka

I've been waiting for this video to be posted! their 1st watching reactions are also the 1st and fresh to me👍

TheMightyAnt
>>146209487

Senjou is best girl always. Spoilers for bake and second season. Imo I don't really think it's a nadeako arc. It's a araragi arc in disguise. It does doo some set up for nadeako for second season (I just finished this) (saying she hates her body[being cute but not wanting to be seen as only cute] her love for araragi, and the effect that araragi has on her by just being in her life). But the more interesting things that happen in this arc is when we start foreshadowing hanakawa's issues, find out that araragi needs to abandon shinobu if he wants to be human and when kanbaru tells he to not forget who to save. In context of an araragi arc it is an okay one. But I will admit it pretty weak on a first viewing.

Vladi
>>146243888

They watched mushoku, they should be good XD. Also some of the *fanservice* scenes actually have deeper meaning, which i wonder if they gonna find out about, prolly not cuz they gonna close eyes XD

sunshine
>>146209487

you're right, there's not much focus on nadeko herself this arc unlike with senjou and kanbaru, but everytime it actually focuses on her the series peaks so haaaard. yeah its important for setting up the other issues ig

sunshine
>>146209311

Yes!! that'd be absolutely great, mono once a week just isnt enough

DrWomanRespecter
>>146243888

This wasn't touched upon in the discussion whatsoever. I don't think this warning was necessary

Isa Naka
>>146219053

there are many good faces(°▽°)! of course, thumbnail is so wild and accurate.

sunshine
>>146243888

I disagree, they should know what to expect going forward, didn't you see their faces as soon as the moment appeared?

Julliant
>>146243888

I think you might be overanalyzing their reaction and abhorrence to sexualization in anime, but I totally understand you. It should be fine though, I feel they're able to set it aside.

yamada
>>146243888

Since I am a Japanese otaku, I will explain. In Japan, "it is not allowed to depict children as sexual objects, but I want to," so they create characters who look like children but are actually adults (like Shinobu, or the elves in fantasy works). Such characters are called "legal lolita" in Japan.

sunshine
>>146243888

I perfectly understand the lolitas concept, even hachikuji is probably a lot older than her actual body's age, but still, it doesn't make it any less uncomfortable to see things like that being done to a child's body, you know? I wish it didn't have it.

sunshine
>>146243888

Julliant, well it's not for sexualization in general, it's for minors to be specific, you might be right, still felt the need to preface it though, I hope they will.

yamada
>>146243888

I don't mean to defend pedophiles, but the reason why Japanese content uses the "this is not pedophilia, because this child is an adult inside" approach is because they know that it is evil to make children sexual objects.

Gabriel Cabral
>>146219053

@sunshine What do you mean?? You tottaly misinterpreted their reaction if that's your take away. They even commented on it right after and explained why they felt surprised...

Claude
>>146243888

There are 2 versions, is this the one from youtube with some moment cut off??

dg_2drunk
>>146243888

Idk why people feel the need to do this every time they talk about monogatari. This show is not really subtle about it's opinion on the topic and if you go out of this show thinking the author likes pedos you are self reporting more than anything else. As people have said, they watched MT, which is about an actual pedophile doing actual pedophile things. They can survive some scenes making fun of it and some other that are supposed to make you uncomfortable.

sunshine
>>146243888

dg_2drunk, I completely disagree, and i believe it should be brought up everytime you'd recommend the show, because it's a problematic aspect ngl, so that people know from the start, instead of being shocked outta the blue, the first eps had fanservicey moments, but this shinobu moment is the first of the kind I'm talking about, that's why I felt the need, and btw I'm not doing anything wrong here and the fact that some people like you are getting annoyed just blows my mind. you're such a moron, I never said the author likes pedos, don't put words in my mouth, the author is fully aware, hell even one of the characters comments on araragi being a criminal, most of the scenes are intended as comedy, even so, a lot of people are bound to have low tolerance for it so bringing it up before it goes on imo actually makes people ready for it instead of getting upset and dropping the show. I was doing a favor if anything, and about mushoku tensei, I didn't know it until after I wrote the comment.

Meow_Lin
>>146243888

A completely useless comment that wasn't needed at all given this is Monogatari and they've seen other shows. I'm sure they're more mature about this subject most. This reads like a tourist comment lol.

Gabriel Cabral
>>146243888

My guy, I think you are projecting hard here. That Shinobu moment in particular had nothing sexual, they were really surprised because it's the character of the show they are the most curious about. It's ok to express your dislike for this aspect of the show, but you are spamming this in the replies like it's the worst thing ever, take a chill pill and relax.

Meow_Lin
>>146243888

Pretty sure this show is a bit too mature for the likes of you if this is your thought process lol

sunshine
>>146243888

lmao. wow, so being mature means accepting all the problems mindlessly in one of your most loved shows? that you shouldn't ever critisize any aspect of it? y'all are starting to get annoying ngl, in that case I'll take being immature anyday. the shinobu moment had nothing sexual? if you saw a 7-10 years old child sitting like that on a teenager, would you still say that? yeah I get they're intrigued by shinobu, but I still think even if it made them uncomfortable, they're not likely to bring it up anyway. I've never brought this up before btw and didn't originally intend to anymore after the first comment, the reason I did at this point in the show was because nadeko's arc is coming up and you know what scene it has, I know a lot of people irl who'd definitely drop the show after that ep, my intention was that to relay to autosave that despite the problems, it's so worth continuing, in case they turned up to be like those, unknownst to me that they've already watched mushoku tensei. I don't believe one bit that I've done anything wrong as a lot of you are trying to make it seem.

Wanderer

Monogatari is a masterpiece and one of my favorite anime of all time. That being said, anyone who says the loli fanservice in the show DOESN'T cross the line into being purely lascivious is just being asinine. It is a major and valid critique of the series. It is problematic, it's not normal, and it's clearly revelous. This aspect of the series shouldn't be ignored or excused. The show deserves to be appreciated, warts and all because it's one of the greatest character driven narratives I've ever seen, and talking around the problematic parts of it is just misguided and disingenuous.

sunshine
>>146219053

well, it's not just me who thinks so, look at the main comment, he says they're not ready for kizu or nise, I think it did take them aback at first but they chose not to discuss it imo

DrWomanRespecter
>>146243888

They were shocked because a character they've been curious about had a new aspect of her shown. You are reading too deep into how they reacted, which tbh, is kind of weird

DrWomanRespecter
>>146243888

Also, 'moronically annoying' , lol. Autosave isn't going to drop a show because of these scenes lmao. They quite literally watched a show about an actual pedo, and they continued it, while enjoying the many aspects of it. Again, your little warning was pointless.

sunshine
>>146383954

really well-said, I'm glad you're mentioning this, hate how people be trying to act like it's all fine and even diss on you for bringing it up, loving it doesn't mean turning a blind eye. hell yeah it's for sure the greatest character driven ever in animanga, no one does it like nisioisin, it's also one of the most personal and honest works imo, that's why it's so resonant and relatable.

sunshine
>>146243888

DrWomanRespecter. I'm not the only one who got that from them, besides even if I was wrong let's say, there's no harm in using it to give a warning on what's to come, or do you think it's all good too? it's weird? well, excuse me for not being all casual and cool about such things. I mean I remember how uncomfortable all that scene and the nadeko snake scene made me feel the first time watching the show. idk why I'm wasting my time talking to someone with that low iq username lol, or should I say "moronically annoying" since you seem to like it so much.

Valtivi
>>146383954

I have no idea why those defensive comments keep popping up. You can really see whatever you want to see in the "loli fanservice". There's a good argument to be made that it helps characterise Araragi (in a bad way) and if you cannot show problematic behaviour in fiction then seriously where are you supposed to?

Wanderer
>>146383954

That's EXACTLY why I said it crosses the line, rather than that it served no purpose. Yes, it serves a purpose in the story. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. I thought that was pretty clear. Also, I don't know why people are allowed to discuss anime until all of the sudden this topic is involved and then it's "defensive" (even criticizing it, for christ's sake). We're talking about the show, here- Hmm...it's almost as if this is a controversial and sensitive subject and the only way to please everyone is to ignore it. Which is also why I said what I said.

Valtivi
>>146383954

"anyone who says the loli fanservice in the show DOESN'T cross the line into being purely lascivious is just being asinine. It is a major and valid critique of the series. It is problematic, it's not normal, and it's clearly revelous." I fail to see which part of this even implies that the content you are talking about is purposeful. Especially when calling it "fanservice" flatly dismisses it as something which serves no higher purpose for the story. That's why I call it defensive, not because of the type of content it is.

Wanderer
>>146383954

I'm sorry that you fail to see it, but i already reiterated it in my previous comment. I said that it "crosses the line". There's your implication. I also, literally, didn't say that it was useless, nor did I imply it. Since there's nothing new being added to the conversation we should move on now

Cristian

Lol you guys are crashing out over shinobu drinking blood. The next 2 episodes are way worst save your crying about "Fanservice" for nadeko the actual child. Shinobu and hachikuji aren't children mentally