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Patreon Exclusive. Joshua and Ryan are joined by Ryan’s wife, Mariah, to celebrate Ryan’s 40th birthday, and they disagree about attachment, discuss some lessons Ryan has learned over the last four decades, and dive into details about MaRyan’s relationship, as well as answer the following questions:

Does attachment equal suffering? (00:00)

What is the difference between knowledge and wisdom? (08:13)

What’s missing when we have hope? (16:30)

What is “attachment theory”? (21:51)

Is clinging a survival response or a socially learned behavior? (28:59)

Clinging is generally considered negative, but are there any scenarios where it might be considered positive? (32:43)

Why do some people cling to toxic jobs or work environments? (36:37)

What does Mariah think of Ryan’s sandals? (47:52)

Who uses more hair products—Ryan or Mariah? (50:49)

How did you navigate moving in together regarding one another’s belongings? (51:34)

What is your most impactful takeaway from the past ten years? (1:02:39)

LINKS

Book: Love People, Use Things

Essay: Confined by Attachment

Essay: The Burden of Attachment

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Resources: The Minimalists

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MAXIMS

“Worry is praying for bad things to happen in the future.” —Joshua Fields Millburn

“Clinging may help you survive, but it won’t help you thrive.” —Joshua Fields Millburn

“Sometimes it takes desperation for us to do what we must do.” —Joshua Fields Millburn

“People who cling to toxicity don’t trust themselves.” —Ryan Nicodemus

“It takes two to tangle.” —Joshua Fields Millburn

“Compliance is not a prerequisite for love.” —Ryan Nicodemus

“Their journey is not your journey.” —Ryan Nicodemus

This Maximal episode corresponds with Minimal episode 311.

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Elle Dunn

I enjoyed listening to this the other day whilst I had an unboxing party for all my January sale kitchen purchases🤦‍♀️😻!!!!I don’t feel more complete but my kitchen looks terribly pretty. I enjoyed listening to Mariah too great job team and I especially love your Wive’s contributions.