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"The Opposite of Hoarding" (Patreon)

Published:
2021-08-12 12:06:00
Imported:
2023-09

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Joshua and Ryan talk about uncovering the ‘whys’ of compulsive decluttering, and they answer the following questions:

Does our obsession with labeling distract us from addressing the core issues of problems? (00:00)

What is the source of the spartanist’s issue with stuff? (12:45)

How do we feel complete? (14:18)

What is the difference between minimalism and spartanism? (16:36)

Why are trying to convince and persuade someone so bad? (24:08)

How do we get over the desire to be accepted? (26:12)

Is there any advertising that is acceptable? (46:15)

Decluttering and cleaning/organizing my house is a go-to for stress relief for me—is this a disorder? (48:44)

How does one know when to stop decluttering? (50:56)

How do I combat my years of programming to keep things like it’s a tradition? (53:27)

Is there a danger in the ‘decluttering high’ many of us experience when we’re decluttering and donating items? (55:13)

How do you live as a minimalist with a hoarder? (56:32)

What are the foundations of a solid relationship? (57:01)

What does the acronym TARA stand for? (1:00:09)

Is compulsive decluttering such a bad thing? (1:04:19)

When does ‘death cleaning’ veer off into obsessive-compulsive spartanism? (1:05:26)

Who decides what normal clutter is? (1:10:21)

LINKS

App: Every Dollar

Article: The Opposite of Hoarding

Book: Earthing

Book: Love People, Use Things

Book: Minimalist Rulebook

Book: Stop Fixing Yourself

Clubhouse: The Minimalists

Instagram: Jordan Moore

Instagram: Podcast Shawn

Instagram: Danny Unknwn

Listen: “Big Yellow Taxi”

Patreon: The Minimalists

Podcast: Relationship with Less | Part 1

Podcast: Typology Podcast

Resources: The Minimalists

Subscribe: The Minimalists

Text: 937-202-4654

Tour: The Minimalists

Watch: Advertising and B.S.

MAXIMS

“The inability to let go is a problem; so is the inability to hold on.” —Joshua Fields Millburn

“A life without values is an undervalued life.” —Ryan Nicodemus

“Minimalism gives us the strength to not only hold on, but also to move on.” —Joshua Fields Millburn

This Maximal episode corresponds with Minimal episode 300.

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Comments

Cassie Fox

You guys are great. But I was deeply concerned with some things you shared here that showed a significant misunderstanding of the field of psychology. 1. A diagnosis isn’t an attempt to label. A diagnosis can be helpful in determining appropriate treatment based on data. If a disorder is related to OCD, that will greatly impact the treatment approach. If it isn’t, that will impact it as well. It isn’t labeling any more than someone is labeled upon being diagnosed with cancer. What the problem is needs to be diagnosed so it can be treated properly. 2. Having obsessive compulsive tendencies is absolutely not the same as having obsessive compulsive disorder. Pointing out how you helped your tendencies by “coming to an understanding” is NOT helpful to someone with a clinical disorder. Someone with an actual disorder isn’t able to just come to an understanding. The area of their brain needed for that is not working properly. And yes, therapy to learn skills to become more functional can be vital to people living with these disorders. Sometimes, people need medication for those skills to be developed effectively. Your expressed disgust with that could be harmful for people who do need medication and therapy. And there is nothing wrong with someone needing that. That isn’t thinking everything in life can be fixed by a pill. This was very much like telling a person with chronic clinical depression, “Well, I get sad sometimes too. You just have to come to an understanding. Medications and therapy??! Oh, you don’t need that. That’s ridiculous.” I felt some of the things you said here were dangerous and could hurt someone in need of help. Please better educate yourselves on a subject before speaking on it. I have a background in the field of mental health and have seen how destructive these messages can be toward people living with mental health issues.

Deanna Freeth

Another great episode and the ending😅 I had some comments in regards to OCD and the comment above also. I had OCD teenage years (after 15) not related to hoarding. It had a profound impact on my life. The biggest thing that made me improve my extreme behaviour was admitting there was a problem. No amount of anything anyone did or said would have any impact until that moment. I saw 2 doctors at the time and both wanted me to take medication - I refused. Only a 50% chance it will help wasn't good enough for me to go against my values. One even analysed why my dad walked through the door before me...like it was relevant, when simply he was late to work after taking me to the appointment...and implying I had an eating disorder were certainly not helpful. Finally I saw a lady who worked with me on CBT to reduce my behaviours. Everyone handles it differently including those around you. Both my parents had very different ways of handling me which is reflective of their personalities. The thoughts never go away only how you react to them...reaching a point where you can live a relatively normal life that you are happy with. In moments of high stress in my life I can see myself going back to some old ways, but the awareness stops it becoming worse. Everyone has their things...hoarding or being a germaphobe with OCD..or just your everyday quirks that make you, you. I think acceptance of yourself, which Josh has done, is one of the best ways to live with it.. I accept and own the remains of my OCD, it helped shape who I am. There is no one size fits all approach - there are so many variables.