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Patreon Exclusive. Joshua discusses a variety of pragmatic practices for enduring trying times with author, podcaster, and pastor Erwin McManus and his son, film producer Aaron McManus, and they answer the following questions:

Has the pandemic tainted urban living? (02:20)

Can the virtual world replace the real world to a great extent? (08:28)

How does dating work during a global pandemic? (10:07)

Are draconian quarantines the most effective approach to addressing global pandemics? (12:09)

What’s the difference between surviving and living? (13:20)

What has the global pandemic stolen from us? (14:23)

What is the difference between tribes and communities? (27:03)

What is the difference between beliefs and values? (29:06)

Why are Christians often viewed as both the nicest people and the meanest people? (31:01)

Why does Mosaic attract such a diverse group of people? (34:06)

Why did Erwin walk away from the church for a period of time? (39:52)

Where can I find a supportive community that’s not religious? (55:37)

How do we make the most of our time together when my spouse is suffering from a terminal disease? (58:16)

How important is gratitude during this global pandemic? (1:01:39)

What are my options regarding non-Christian churches? (1:04:47)

Where do I start to change my life when my dissatisfaction with every facet is overwhelming? (1:06:27)

LINKS

Book: Soul Cravings

Book: The Artisan Soul

Book: The Way of the Warrior

Book: Wide Awake

Instagram: Aaron McManus

Instagram: Erwin McManus

Instagram: Jordan Moore

Instagram: Podcast Shawn

Instagram: Jess Williams

Podcast: Sam Harris

Podcast: Erwin McManus

Podcast: Battle Ready Podcast

Resources: The Minimalists

Subscribe: The Minimalists

Text: 937-202-4654

Tour: The Minimalists

Website: Erwin McManus

Website: Mosaic

YouTube: Battle Ready Podcast

YouTube: Mosaic

MAXIMS

“We must say ‘no’ to almost everything so we can say ‘yes’ to the most important things.” —Joshua Fields Millburn

“It’s not about how many things you have—it’s about what you’re actually doing with those things.” —Aaron McManus

“Your resources are a conduit for all the good you long to do.” —Erwin McManus

“Progress is measured by our ability to let go.” —Joshua Fields Millburn

“Religion is a brace; love is the strength.” —Erwin McManus

“You’re unlikely to meet a healthy person in an unhealthy environment.” —Erwin McManus

“Fear is never the best motivator for good decision making.” —Erwin McManus

“Trust the science, not the scientist.” —Erwin McManus

“If you’re only against something, then you’re for nothing.” —Aaron McManus

“We’re all hypocrites in transition.” —Erwin McManus

“Surround yourself with people living the life you want to live.” —Erwin McManus

This Maximal episode corresponds with Minimal episode 257.

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Alyssa Stansfield

Really enjoyed this episode, it made me think a lot. One thought I had while you guys were discussing the country’s reaction to the pandemic is that hindsight is 20/20. It’s easy to criticize the response now that we know more about COVID-19, but we have to remember that back in the spring, it was a completely new disease. No one really knew how deadly or contagious it was. Additionally while the risk of death for younger people is low, there are still risks of long-term effects, some of which are still being discovered or may come out years from now. As far as trusting science, I agree that we should be treat science as a religion and blindly trust scientists. However, I do think we need to consider what scientists have to say and again remember that they are still frantically working to learn as much as possible about the disease as quickly as possible. When you’re working on such an accelerated timeline, mistakes will happen which leads to conflicting information. Also to trust science, I don’t think it’s actually the scientists we have to trust necessarily, it’s the scientific method. If you’re interested in learning more about this idea, please look into the book” Why Trust Science” by Naomi Oreskes. Regarding your discussion of some YouTube videos about COVID being pulled, I do think that people who purposefully spread disinformation should have their content removed for a topic as important as COVID. Should we allow people who continue to spread the lie that vaccines cause autism to post videos about it when that theory has been de-bunked? If everyone practiced critical thinking like you guys or your Patreons, I don’t think that would be necessary, but so many people now take lies at face value because they align with their tribe’s view and don’t bother to question them. It’s disturbing and scary but there’s just so much misinformation out there.

Paul Weymouth

I have been devouring their podcast since listening to this episode. Thank you for giving them a platform so that I could find them.

Andy Moss

Yes to all of this. I would also say that some of the comments about a generation "lost" or "unwilling to work " were said during WW1, Vietnam, and when they introduced Welfare and Medicaid. They are a reductive and dismissive of a group of people who haven't had a chance to act yet. They were poor descriptions in the past too. I love the idea of caring for the "high risk" groups but that is actual Democratic Socialism and that could never have happened in the current political climate. It would have required serious government mobilization and organization that is not characterist of this White House. Quarantine is not an ideal option and is surely compounded by our tech reliance and "Social Dilema" but let's not conflate the two issues just yet.