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VINLAND SAGA S1EP18 REACTION [early access] (Patreon)

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2023-10-25 18:14:22
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another extended version for yall today - unfortunately i don't think i'll be uploading reaction videos tomorrow or friday unless i am feeling better to edit. i will keep you updated!

this episode was so good though. i hope i correctly understood the forms of "love" they were talking about in this episode? but also i'm very curious to hear about your interpretations of it and what you thought of canute and the priest's conversation!

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Solid God

Get well soon

CarbonDog

Take care

Dkai

One of my favorite episodes this season. Canute's growth and the philosophy behind this whole episode was so well written and conveyed. To not only love in your loved ones but to love in your fellow man equally as much just as Thors did for his people. Canute is more on the path of a "True Warrior" while Thorfinn has yet to understand it. Take care and rest up!

Bambi

I LOVE THIS EPISODE SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bambi
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i interpret the whole meaning of love stuff as more representative of the christian idea of "god's love" with the idea of how humans gained wisdom in exchange for "being cast from paradise" and thus being separated from the idea of his love. canute's revelation to stop yearning for god's love and instead to create his own paradise separate from eden with love like what he recieved from ragnar is so powerful hnghrnhgf. it also goes with askeladd's mother's belief that the true king would return from paradise to save them, so in this moment canute is embodying the ideals of the true king who is supposed to bring peace to the world. and it also parallels thor's whole sense of enlightenment where he wished to live in a world free of suffering and war and to become a true warrior and I LOVE THIS SHOW AND THIS EPISODE SO MUCH HRTENHRGHBSNDFHG

ThaDoubleB

You kinda struck on Canute’s whole point in your discussion. It IS human nature to “discriminate” as the priest put it. We prioritize the people and things we care about completely over those we do not. Every person is like this, thus Canute take’s umbrage with God for making humans like this and putting trials and tribulations in front of them, that God knows they are destined to fail because they are human. The fruit which granted Adam and Eve and thus mankind wisdom in Christian mythology/religion is an explanation of human consciousness and morality. It is essentially what separates man from nature or “paradise”. Snow, mountains, or trees don’t treat others special or intentionally inflict pain. Anyone can stand under a tree and get shade, and a tree will allow itself to be cut down and burned to ash to provide others with warmth. It will give itself completely with nothing in return to any person or thing. The story of the Garden of Eden shows the double edged sword of human knowledge. The same reason we are able to connect and create such amazing things has also separated us from nature and made it impossible for a true utopia or “paradise” to ever exist because mankind will never love everything unconditionally due to their “wisdom”. This is why the story of Thors is so shocking to the priest. He could have killed everyone of Askeladd’s men and saved himself and probably most/all of the people he came with. But he refused to kill those who wanted to kill him, instead giving his life to save both Askeladd’s men and Thors’ loved ones both. This is all super idealistic of course, but is super fascinating to see as a part of a modern story and as a character motivation. In reality, nature is just trying to survive, and plants and animals will do whatever it takes to do so. Heck, there are a lot of predators that even kill for fun or because they are bored. It’s just chaos. Stories like this were humans trying to give meaning and order to it all. It’s awesome, I love it.

noon

Damn I forgot how good this episode is! Big think!

Red UwU

Askeladd was right about Ragnar's death being the catalyst to Canute's growth. Another W from the GOAT 🗣️💯

Lawlach

Extended version we eatting good, but i hope you feel better soon!

Cation

When it comes to symbolism, afterlife and just the nature of Vinland saga.. Something hits different. This show is a masterpiece from start to end.. And the OST just goosebumps all the time.. ENTER CANUTE!

Lawlach

Ill never get over when the episode ends and you hear "Feel like im almost dead, but im not". I absolutely love this ending

Saiff Mohammad

Okay Super long one, this is what I interpreted it as…. Prince Canute’s Emotional Struggle and Connection with Ragnar: • Religious Allegory: Ragnar’s unconditional love for Canute reflects the concept of divine love in religious contexts. In Christianity, the idea of agape, or divine love, symbolises selfless, unconditional love. This notion challenges societal norms, questioning the purity of love in human relationships. Quote: “His tender feelings towards you were discrimination.” • Human Emotion: Canute’s emotional turmoil mirrors the struggles depicted in various religious texts. In the Bible, the story of David and Jonathan illustrates deep friendship and love that transcends societal expectations, reflecting Canute’s bond with Ragnar. This emotional depth explores the human experience of acceptance, self-worth, and familial love. Quote: “Are you telling me to live alone in a world like this?” Philosophical Reflections on Love, Life, and Meaning: • Existentialism: The characters’ musings align with existential philosophy, questioning the meaning of life and love. Albert Camus’ idea of the absurd is evident, where characters grapple with life’s inherent lack of meaning, resonating with the line… Quote: “No one knows how to love… No one knows the meaning of life. No one knows the meaning of death.” • Religious Inquiry: The dialogues delve into religious concepts, questioning the presence or absence of divine love amid human suffering. This existential dilemma mirrors the Book of Job in the Bible, where Job questions the nature of divine justice and love in the face of immense suffering. Quote: “Father. I no longer seek your salvation.” Prince Canute’s Decision and Ethical Leadership: • Secular Humanism: Canute’s rejection of divine salvation signifies human agency, aligning with secular humanism’s emphasis on reason and self-determination. This echoes the Enlightenment ideals, emphasizing human reason and ethics over divine intervention. Quote: “I shall give meaning to your battles. To your life and death. That’s what the duty of a king is.” • Philosophical Leadership: Canute’s determination to guide warriors echoes Plato’s concept of a ‘philosopher king.’ Plato believed that a ruler, guided by wisdom and moral virtue, would lead society justly. Canute’s resolve reflects the ethical responsibilities of leaders in providing moral direction to their subjects. Quote: “I shall teach you about when you must fight, and against whom.” The Nature of Battles and Human Suffering: • War’s Futility: The dialogue questions the purpose of battles, highlighting the senselessness of violence. This reflection on the futility of war is reminiscent of anti-war sentiments found in literature and historical accounts, emphasizing the human toll and existential questions faced by warriors. Quote: “This is no good. That man has gone insane.” • Historical Realism: The harsh realities of medieval warfare are depicted, illustrating the brutality and existential questions faced by warriors. Historical accounts of battles often depict the existential angst and moral dilemmas experienced by soldiers, emphasizing the human suffering and ethical struggles in war. Quote: “We’ll never attain it. Yet, even then… You still tell us to seek it?” Creation of Meaning and Individual Purpose: • Individual Meaning: Canute’s determination to provide purpose to battles reflects the human quest for personal meaning and fulfillment. This pursuit of individual purpose aligns with existentialist philosophy, where individuals are responsible for creating their own meaning in life. Quote: “We shall create our own paradise.” • Societal Purpose: Canute’s offer to guide warriors represents the societal need for leaders to provide direction, ethics, and meaning in collective endeavors. This reflects the historical role of leaders, philosophers, and scholars in shaping societal values and moral principles, emphasizing the importance of societal purpose beyond individual pursuits. Quote: “To your life and death. That’s what the duty of a king is.” Rejection of Divine Salvation and Human Responsibility: • Existential Angst: Characters’ rejection of divine help mirrors existentialist themes of human responsibility for creating meaning in a seemingly indifferent universe. This existential angst challenges traditional religious beliefs, emphasising the need for individuals to take responsibility for their actions and decisions. Quote: “I no longer seek your salvation.” • Religious Inquiry: Dialogues challenge traditional religious beliefs, questioning the role of divine forces in human lives and suffering. This inquiry reflects the theological debates found in various religious traditions, where believers grapple with the concepts of divine intervention, free will, and human responsibility. Quote: “Father in heaven! This man’s soul cannot be saved through the trials you set for him!” Nature of Love and Relationships: • Unconditional Love: Ragnar’s love symbolizes unconditional affection, transcending social norms and hierarchical structures. This portrayal of unconditional love challenges societal prejudices and biases, reflecting the universal theme of love’s ability to transcend societal boundaries. Quote: “He was more important than anyone else, Your Highness. Probably even more important than his own life.” • Human Connections: Characters’ emotional struggles showcase the complexities of human relationships, emphasizing the depth of familial bonds and interpersonal connections. This exploration of human connections resonates with literary classics and philosophical treatises, delving into the intricate nature of human emotions and relationships. Quote: “Your Highness… Your Highness… Your Highness Canute.” If you made till the end hopefully it was insightful, used ChatGPT to make it easier to read so hopefully it was too crazy or all over the place ✌️

James Jaya

Canute realize that discriminate love cause suffering, but ultimately that flaw is what makes us human. I believe he see this discriminate love as something beautiful, not as something to be thrown away. He want to create a paradise, where such 'flawed' love could exist. The snow, sky, etc don't actually have any feeling, thus they indiscriminate. Only God have the capability to actively express love indiscriminately. If human try to be indiscriminate like God, then we will end up like walking corpse / have no feeling. Even Thors' love is not indiscriminate, but unconditional. It is the closest form of perfect love that human can achieve, that's why the priest is intrigued by Thors. He reject hating anyone, but he still bounded by his physical form and limited mental energy. I bet he loves Throfinn more than some random Viking. There is no way he can love someone that he never even meet in the other continent like God does, since God is everywhere. The priest asked God, why does God create human in His image, but without His strength in his prayer(Chapter 29). I interpret it as why does God give human free will and the capability to love, but didn't give us enough strength to love everyone equally. It is ironic that among God's creation, we were the only one that is created in God's image, yet we are the farthest from true 'love'. Then later the priest continue the prayer by mentioning that God test human using this weakness. One example is that our body need resource, but resource is scarce after our ancestor commit the first sin. Our discriminate love to our love one will bound to create conflict like what Ragnar does for Canute. Only in death, after we weren't bounded by our bodily function and needs, we can love properly. This conundrum makes Canute mad at god, as He felt being abandoned by God like how he is being abandoned by his real father. By the way, you can look on reddit "[VS official guidebook] memorable lines from Vinland Saga - with author comment". There, the author give more insight on his thought about this line. Do it after you finish S2 to avoid spoiler.

Montyms _

i only follow you and lm reaction on patreon purely for your great vinland saga reaction keep up the good work👍🏼