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Extended Play Lounge Episode 10 POLL (Patreon)

Published:
2021-12-14 00:10:31
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2021-12

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We're ending the year with a bang by listening to Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence by Dream Theater. To be clear, I'm listening to the original side 2 8-part suite...not the entire album. I need your help picking the version that I'll use for the episode. I have found three viable choices. 

Option 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI1cTZm1xd8

Option 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D33QzgK5pPk

Option 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo3i8dYvqb4

The poll will go until Wednesday night. I'll plan on recording it on Thursday or Friday. I'm running a bit behind schedule, but we'll get it out before our big bash on Saturday! Happy voting.

Comments

Anonymous

The live version is so cool we need more votes for the live!

Anonymous

No matter how much I like the live version, I think there's composition and complexity topics that are more interesting on the studio. The best would be for you to do both honestly, and compare different things like the intro and mixing

Anonymous

Do both. It would also allow Doug to see Jordan's keyboard solos that he always thinks are guitar.

Edward Malthouse

Very difficult! The guys in DT have some incredible live moments in Score and they are engaging to watch. The orchestra can't keep up though, and the overture is somewhat painful to listen to. The overtures are quite different, with Portnoy's druns and Petrucci's guitars coming though on the studio version, but the Score overture is all orchestra.

Anonymous

Normally I’d go for studio, but it’s Christmas! What better way to celebrate than having Doug see them play live for once, and the live show is great.

The Black Queen
>>73668091

He should do the studio version first and then go to the live version later down the line. Imo, studio versions should always be first.

Frank Bernard

Needs to be live with orchestra and video.

Anonymous

Hard choice... But I guess since Doug understands the orchestra world probably can give us his opinion about the arrangements that Jordan plays with his effects. Also I don't care what people think about "the astonishing" the orchestration is just amazing

Scott Friedman

Score is the absolute must listen. Especially for a "classical composer"

Anonymous

I think the live version (with video, obviously!!) literally adds the whole video dimension which IMO totally makes sense in a reaction video format and clearly compensates for any "losses" in experience as have been commented by others.

Anonymous

I would go for Score video version. In general, I don't think some of the keyboard effects aged well and being able to watch the performance adds an extra layer of immersion and engagement. Besides that, there is the orchestra!

Anthony Taylor

Looking forward to it. Studio version is leaps a d bounds better than the live. Better have your double bass Doug face at the ready!

Anonymous
>>73668789

When first came out I only could get into some tracks but on further review, it is amazing. It's not a headbanging album all the way through.

Arrow2theACL

Yes Yes. The Studio sounds better. But this is a classical composer's reaction. While the Orchestra is not perfect, I think Doug gets into reactions more when he hears some orchestral parts. I also know for a fact that Doug will get a "Kick" out of watching Mike Portnoy's character on the live stage. The Live Score UHD is the way to go for the reaction.

Anonymous
>>73669847

absolutely! their performance adds so much to react to it should be a no brainer decision

Steven Biggs

You have to do the studio version because the first couple of parts live the guitar parts are played by the orchestra and not Petrucci which makes those songs not as good as the original. So if you were to listen to the live version I'd recommend hearing the studio version first. The rest of it live is excellent but I hate that Petrucci doesn't play in the beginning. What we gain doesn't make up for what we lose.

Steven Biggs
>>73668566

Thats why I prefer the studio version, Petruccis guitar parts in the first couple of songs aren't played by him but the orchestra. He should've been playing his normal part and the orchestra enhances the rest.

Guilherme Cruz

Live has much more emotion involved. When you see the musicians playing, engaging with the audience and with the orchestra, that covers up any lack of “technicality” only achieved in a studio recording where you can record a thousand times to be perfect in the mix. Live with the orchestra and the video is definitely the way to go. It isn’t all about only the music but it is the whole deserved experience. Please guys, help Doug to do this reaction with all that said above getting the whole experience. Doug deserves it. To end the year with a full orchestra behind DT.

Anonymous

This is one of those hard calls. For comparison, I was only slightly familiar with Procol Harum’s work beyond “A Whiter Shade if Pale”; but when I heard “A Salty Dog” played live with the Edmonton Symphony Orchestra, I never heard it the same again when I listened the studio version. One could argue that I was “spoiled” by the fullness of the symphonic arrangements. I would say that the complexity of Dream Theater with a live orchestra, AND video is just too rich to ignore, even for a first listener experience. I’ve followed DT off and on since the 90s, “Six Degrees…” was a pivotal DT album, and the symphonic to these ears sounds matured, developed, and fuller. The video, while perhaps shifting certain band parts to the orchestra, gains from the visual experience of seeing the dexterity and nuances in a live setting.

Paul Mouradjian

Yeah....these guys do not record 1,000x to get the perfect track. Let's not allow our imaginations to run away with us. That is just silly. If you enjoy the orchestra version great...... In general not all orchestral versions add too the listening experience. Out could actually hurt the urgency and performance.....depending on the skill & orchestra members of the genre of music being played.

Paul Mouradjian

A classical composer's reaction doesn't have to include an orchestra in everything. I think Doug has proven that. Just sayin'

Dennis Rees

Doug, you are obsessed with Dream Theater. They re good but there a so many bands you completely ignore. I will try and list some tomorrow but I have been reluctant because I fell that I have to offer a song or album from each. Overwhelming task with so much ggod music.

Dennis Rees

You may have to break down and do some Big Big Train, as a tribute, now that the vocalist died in an accident.

Aleksandra
>>73673774

Yes that is for sure, it isn't necessary at all but sometimes it will give an extra impuls to the original album, otherwise it isn't a amalgamation of the 2. But i think, a great band has usually connection with a good orchestra, composer, conductor and all that's needed to be an extension of the Album or piece....🍀🍁🍀

Paul Mouradjian

Agreed Aleksandra. However I feel listening to the original intent in the studio can one either appreciate or dismiss the addition of the orchestra. I believe the arrangements and the power can be attained as with Steve Hackett's use of the Orchestra yo the Genesis classics. They are bold and as powerful and the arrangements are built to what the orchestra is capable of not simply adding pads with strings etc. ......

Anonymous

Please do studio version

Fabian J Lelo

Also when you get a chance Doug - do check out the 12 Step Suite by Mike Portnoy, where each track spanned out over 5 albums. The first track The Glass Prison began the concept which actually opens the Six Degrees album.

Daniel Koerver

I feel especially for a first listen the Studio version is just better because of the clearer audio. You can just make out the songs better the way they are supposed to be. SCORE is great, but i guess thats better for enhancing your experience listening to it a third or fourth or 100th time.

Anonymous
>>73689735

I think Doug's headphones would explode from the excessive double kick drums lol

Anonymous

Option 2 is also the ultra HD version, which will mean a great visual and auditory experience. The emotive orchestra adds layers in the latter parts of the song and this is undeniable. The Overture part can be a question of preference - the orchestra is not perfect and there are no other instruments but the studio version's patches are somewhat outdated and cheesy/video-game'y.

Mike D
>>73680830

I absolutely love Steve Hackett's use of orchestral instruments and arrangements on his solo albums. Much of it is utterly unique, like the brilliant Turn This Island Earth, weaving together electric, acoustic, and orchestral textures in a way that completely works.

Arrow2theACL
>>73693885

This 100% I don't think people realize there is a UHD version. We also don't want Doug to say. "I would love to listen to this with an Orchestra, Y'all."

Ben Allen
>>73675854

Sure, there are lots of bands out there that would be a good fit for the channel, and that's great for the channel's life over the long term. But Doug also needs to keep in mind that the people watching his videos tend to come from certain backgrounds and like seeing their favorite bands show up on the channel. As he's talked about before, the channel really blew up when Iron Maiden fans found the channel, so he's tried to listen to Iron Maiden fairly regularly, both because I think that he enjoys it and because he gets lots of views out of it. Similarly, his DT videos get lots of views because there are a lot of DT fans in his audience (I'm one of them!). So it's all a balancing act of giving the audience what they know that they want and trying things that they (and Doug) don't yet know that they'll like.

Ben Allen

I'm excited for this one, and I think that Doug's really going to love it. I've been a DT fan since the mid 90s, and it's weird to talk about a band peaking when they're still out there making music, but it really seems like DT's peak was in the era from Metropolis Pt. 2 through Octavarium. There's great stuff outside that window, but those albums are pretty close to top to bottom great stuff.

Anonymous

I voted for the studio version, although I love the performance on SCORE, the orchestra in the live performance has some imperfections and overall just felt a little thin to me. However, I do recognize that Doug likes to hear orchestrated sections with an actual orchestra, so I'll be happy with whichever version wins.

Arpeggio Blues

Hey Y'All .. DOUG.. love ya, man. This is a GREAT CHOICE it is one of their best creations. the Live version with Orchestra will be by far the most satisfying (I love concert videos, I'm biased).. The studio versions, usually depict James LaBrie's voice in top-notch condition, my experience seeing them live almost 7 (soon to be 8) times, I've found that in the middle of a tour, or the end, James' voice starts to crack, and get harsh... I've listened to all three; the studio is great, but I think everyone SHOULD see the live performance.. Dream Theater live is far superior to watch than just the studio release.. I usually collect both, and also the BluRay when it comes out. SO I VOTE for #2 LIVE with Orchestra (bummer no lyrics, but you can open another browser tab and go to DarkLyrics.com and find it (and all) Dream Theater lyrics.

Adrian Goodrich

I've heard very little Dream Theater. I realise I have missed out as a result, so I am very much looking forward to hearing this. I can't contribute to which version, though!

Anonymous

Score DVD is one of my “most played “ within my collection!

Anonymous

I really cannot decide, because I do feel each version has something to offer that the other may not. I have listened to the studio version more times than Score, but that itself is not enough for me to vote for studio; we have seen examples on the channel of how epic an orchestra contributes new layers to songs: Illumination Theory, Metallica's S&M etc. I am curious to see how Score holds up, but, ultimately, the studio may have better transitions, mix clarity, and EQ consistency through the different songs. If there was a gun to my head, purely for a FIRST TIME (not only time) listen, go with studio, a general approach to any music. A live orchestral version would add to your enjoyment, but only after having listened to the original recording; you would be familiar with the motifs, and the live reimagining intensifies our attraction with the music that we have already consumed and sat with for a while, being the original recording. Yeah I bet Doug will say, "I wish I heard this with the orchestra" but that is not a statement of regret or lament; that is a natural reaction that occurs from only ever having heard an original version of a piece - this doesn't inhibit nor diminish oneself to then go listen to a live/orchestral version; that should be the next step he can do in his own time and wholly encourage. A comment like that only stems from having experienced a particular situation prior to another to juxtapose it to, but you cannot obtain the same level of anticipation and satisfaction if you experience the latter situation first. I'm on the sidelines for this one!

Michael Mancill

I picked studio version but now I wish I would have picked the LIVE VERSION

Anonymous

Studio version. Also for the next vote you gotta include Dark side of the moon. You won't regret listening to that

doughelvering

I'm looking forward to recording this one. Coming soon...

Roman S Doc

Thanks Doug! Looking very much forward to this Christmas present!🎄🎁🎶😃

Frank Bernard

I wish you had just picked the Live from Score. So much better with the visual.

Steven Biggs
>>73909833

I disagree. The first couple of songs has no guitar. The guitar parts are being played by the orchestra. For that reason alone I like the original more.