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I'm sure a few of you are like "Uh, didn't she get arrested?" It comes up on the next page.

The whole "You spared and/or saved my life, therefore you own my life and/or I must serve you" seems like one of those things that has only ever existed in fiction. I don't know, maybe it happened in Japan back in the day, but it probably almost always involves someone of lower status giving up slightly more of their autonomy to someone who already above them in the hierarchy.

“Honor” may start off as a legitimate code of conduct, but it’s incredibly easy to twist. It’s simple to say any given action is or is not honorable to justify any other action. The system breaks down the instant it becomes dishonorable or against the rules to question superiors, because people abuse power, and as soon as your superior decides its honorable for you to give him half of your Hostess Snowball (as some sort of "tribute" I guess) then your Honorgarchy is basically doomed.

Klingons are supposedly big into honor, but it's been established that they'll shoot up a ship, then cloak and lay in wait for someone to come along to try and rescue any crew, because "There is nothing more honorable than victory." Well, as soon as something like that is established, then you may as well not even pretend to have honor. Irradiating a population to sterilize them means you'll eventually achieve victory over them, as would poisoning their food supply, or stealing their atmosphere or inventing a King's Man style "rabies beam" so they all just kill each other.

I'm not suggesting there's no value in the concept of honor. I just can't think of an example in any fiction I've consumed, from James Clavell's Shogun to Klingons to the Nordar in Star Justice where it wasn't a very fluid target and wildly abused or flat out ignored by those with power.

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Anonymous

'I must be your shadow' - Achilles says butler, but to me a shadow is a thing which just follows your around everywhere, so less butler and more stalker

Whoriar

The most honorable group of people I can think of in fiction might be the Aiel in The Wheel of Time saga by Robert Jordan.

Graeme Thorburn

Love the T-shirt she has. Looks like the Archon gift shop is keeping up with all the latest trends.

Anonymous

Nice to see the road rash on her tits cleared up! Got to keep those tits pristine!

Anonymous

The Star Force series by Aer-ki Jyr has the main group that sticks to their honor no matter what. That is the only series I can think of that doesn't have the 'fluid target' problem.

James C

Meanwhile, I was thinking of it in the "Job Shadow" manner — sort of a cross between an intern and a trainee. Not that "block it with your face" is exactly a validly teachable skill...

Marc Vun Kannon

Shadow could also be taken to mean bodyguard, not that Achilles would need one. More likely she's a warrior in his service basically forever, since there's no way she could balance the debt by saving him. She might save someone else on the team, though, and as he's an Archon employee that might balance her debt appropriately. I had a similar discussion of honor in one of my novels. He took it seriously, she thought it basically boiled down to 'mine is bigger than yours', with the peasants not even being allowed to play.

FeyOne

There are cultures, and subcultures, that have strong codes around "debt". In those cases, it is less about honor, and more about clearing a debt. Even in those, though, I'm not aware of anyone ever then becoming someone else servant to clear it; that's crazy fiction stuff. It's a debt that needs to be cleared. That's it.

Knolden

Honor like faith works best when its a personal thing only.

Anonymous

The way I view honor is it is usually more of a personal code. There are things that one finds "honorable" and "dishonorable" and that guides their actions. A superior telling them that it is honorable to split their doughnut with them is not going to affect the individuals sense of honor and they would not split the doughnut if they found it dishonorable themselves.

Andrew

If Achilles accrues himself another life debtor at some point, will that mean they fight it out, take turns, .... or just make out? If this hasn’t happened on earth before he gets to establish the rules!

Zip Zop

I like what you did with the water in the pool.

Reigys

lol

Demian Buckle

I don't see the honor aspect but I can see a defeated foe being taken as a slave or being ransomed back to their family or country. In some cases them taking an IOU for the ransom. We release you and you pay us when you return. This is honored not because of honor but survival because you know that if you fail to pay then in the future instead of being ransomed you or others from your culture will just be killed or sold into slavery.

Christopher Upton

so....ummmm...can we talk about combat Wedge Heels? Than again, she's not in combat gear...except for the domino mask. Tell you what: go look up Jill Bearup on YouTube and see what she has to say about it. Cool? Cool. Peace.

Anton Schleef

Most of the various honor systems seen in works of fiction are based on historical precedent. The reason they only still exist as historical precedent is because of honor-less scum who would shamelessly use someone's honor system against them, and had the sociopolitical power to effectively be untouchable. The Life Debt thing has existed in the past as well, and doesn't today for mostly the same reasons. The reason they fail isn't because the person in charge gets to decide what is or isn't honorable. It's because the person in charge starts caring more about remaining in power than being honorable, and gets a group of like minded followers to help them either stay there or destroy the honorable ones. Many a grand respectable organization, as well as nation, has fallen because of them.

Anonymous

I think one of my favorite parts of the series so far are the enjoyable nonsense phrases you out on clothing. (Thus far, the “Gratuitous Fanservice” pants Harem had early on are still my favorite)

Anonymous

I had an idea for NSFW post give an indepth dive into what all the "configure genitals" interface would look like for Garamm and Lapha. Think of the possibilities.

G2 Shane

I actually would buy this particular shirt. Y'know, if Dave B. started or added it to an existing merch store.

Anonymous

I think that's what her feet are actually shaped like... she's got hooves in there.

Anonymous

Looking at his dialog... it occurs to me that pretty much all the men on the team are idiots. He goes from "cool butler" to basically suggesting she's throwing herself at him sexually... both of which are basically just teenage boy fantasies and neither are the reactions we'd expect from a mature, sensible adult. This whole scene just made my skin crawl. Add to that the other creepers on the team, and Dave isn't painting male supers in a very positive light, here.

Eric Loken

You should watch/ read The Boys. They paint supers, particularly male supers, in a downright negative light. The argument is that supers are so much more powerful than regular humans that most if not all will be quickly corrupted by it and become villains while thinking they are the heroes (see Dave's comments about honour). And considering human nature, I am inclined to think they would be right. Of course in this case the entire thing is just an exercise in Dave's fetishes put into comic form, and part of it is likely projection of how he would have acted if he had that kind of power (mostly something thought of as a teen). It just so happens that many of us find Dave's fetishes in comic form amusing and are willing to put up with the rather juvenile attitudes associated with them. And some clearly share those fetishes and juvenile attitudes...

RanmaChaos

I find Honor based culture and races to usually be full of shit. Unless they are a bunch of duplicitous, lying, backstabbers, Then Everyone Has Honor. I bet the Vulcans are way more honorable than the Klingons. For the "honor" based, it more about their ego and prestige.

Churchill (formerly TeaBear)

Well, the Klingons in particular have a very different concept of "honor" from humans. Vulcans too. Their concept of honor almost certainly revolves around logic, while the Klingon tend to view victory as honorable on its own. Not to say that ANY victory would be seen as honorable, but it is the place to start when deciding what would or wouldn't be honorable to a Klingon. Victory through betrayal, for example, would be dishonorable, while a Victory through deceit would not.

Noise

Of course, she might just think he's cute, and is giving him a BS story so she can have a place to hang out and not pay rent.

Some Ed

And depending on the individual in question, woe be to anyone in their debt, because they determine both the amount of the debt they owe and what constitutes payment, without taking the time to understand the person or ask them questions... and they're crazy. Like the worst passive aggressive I could imagine... and then taken up an order of magnitude or more.

Anonymous

or she got turned on by the guy who could defeat her... so "shadowing" him to have a chance....

Andrew Denton

To paraphrase Robert Block: "You don't get a tradition of hating traitors without also having a tradition of having traitors."

Anonymous

Panel 8 seems like it could work as an anime origin for Empowered’s Maidman.