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Please welcome esteemed game designer, director, and programmer Jonathan Blow to the show. In a wide-ranging two-hour interview, Jonathan and I (Colin) dissect a Tweet he sent out back in January, one that touched on many problems plaguing our industry. (Indeed, it's that Tweet that had me reach out to him to begin with.) In a sometimes-political and always-insightful commentary, Blow fields questions on myriad topics. How are modern games competing for our time? Do some people conflate "gatekeeping" with "having standards"? Why are corporations so averse to merit-based hiring? Has a level of nihilism and disillusionment infected the rank-and-file pool of developers? Does our industry sit disconnected from the vaster realities of the economy? This is a deep chat that hits all of that, plus much more. Enjoy.

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Branden

Great one

Zackery Parkerson

The “games used to cost the equivalent of $200” argument is tired and trite. It ignores the reality of economic change. Games were being sold to far fewer people, food costs were dramatically less, and houses could actually be purchased on a single income. It ignores so much. If we really tried to charge $150 or more for major video games in the America we have, the industry would be filled with even more useless, soulless games, or may not even exist as we know it at all. Obviously something has to change in the industry, but blaming the consumer for not wanting to pay $70 for unfinished games laden with micro transactions is going after the wrong target. Outside of that, this was a really fun episode to listen to. I didn’t agree with a lot of Jonathon said, but I also did agree with a lot. It was an insightful conversation, and one I hope we get more of.

Anonymous

This episode is up there with the very best Sacred Plus episodes, like the interviews with Ken Levine, Jaffe, Gene Park, etc. I would love to hear another episode with Jonathan Blow if you can have him back on ever again. He’s incredibly insightful, and I’d listen to a conversation between the two of you about literally anything. Keep up the great work!

Mr. Scott If You're Nasty

I'm only an hour and 20 minutes into this episode, but I had to stop and comment. This was one of the best episodes of a podcast I've listened to. The breadth of conversation here was great to listen to. Incredibly thoughtful discussion. We'll done, and yes, if you hire for merit, you'll hire a diverse set of people.

Anonymous

Easily the best interview I've ever heard Colin give. I've been a huge fan of both the Witness and Braid. I'm glad Colin didn't ask him a bunch of questions about those games, which made it seem more genuine. I really hope we hear him more on LSM, but I doubt he has the time. He would be awesome on Constellation.

Adam Barnes

Can’t wait to hear Ryan’s take on this fascist conversation

Anonymous

Jonathan has great talking points but seems to struggle with cogency on most of what he wanted to explain; just disconnected thoughts that get dragged into other thoughts. I'm curious if he comes back on, if the interview would be more structured or be given a little more direction to help stay on point.

OrochiNewsTeam

JB spittin bars, he should consider battle rap.

OrochiNewsTeam

@colin put a ring 💍 on Johnathan. At least orchestrate a Constellation episode with Johnathan and Jaffe. JB has a lovely mind.

Anonymous

Great interview, hope he comes back on again!

Anonymous

This got deep. Not what I expected, but great to listen to.

Anonymous

What a great episode.

Owen

Tapped out an hour in. The lack of complete thoughts made for a poor listening experience.

Theotokos Respecter

Jonathan Blow is secretly based. Not a doubt in my mind.

Nikitas Gagas

Second only to the Ken Levine interview. Very good stuff!