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The PlayStation Shovelware Conspiracy | Sacred Symbols+, Episode 219

If one single, solitary thing has been grinding my (Colin's) gears lately, it's the blatant and out-of-control shovelware problem on the PlayStation Store. It's rampant and undeniable, with a few companies publishing literally hundreds of games between them, all asset flips meant to mine Trophies. The thing is, these games are so cheap and sell so few copies that it's hard to imagine how anyone at all wins when they're blanketing the PSN. Even the developers themselves simply aren't making much money. They can't be. So why is this happening? Why is Sony allowing the PlayStation Store to be overrun with trash, while the Trophy system is further and further bastardized? If you don't care, you should: PlayStation is closer than its competitors into turning into the App Store. And once that happens, well, good luck. If this doesn't bother you, you're simply not paying attention, and you're not thinking through the wide-ranging consequences. To dive into the problem -- the developers behind these games, the people who seemingly own them, the randos who buy this crap, and more -- I invited games writer Ty Richardson to the show, who has been at the forefront of investigating this problem. There's a lot more work to be done, but let's be clear: Not even Nintendo and Microsoft are allowing these games onto their storefronts. Something is amiss. Someone is asleep at the wheel. So let's start asking some questions, shall we?

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Kenneth Oms

Finally got around to listening to the whole episode. Really great stuff here man. The part where he mentioned some of these developers having Xbox and Nintendo listed as partners sounded exactly like blue box game studios. Their website had a link that would take you to an investor page that said Xbox PlayStation and nvidia were partners. You can only access it through the waybackmachine now. Just mad sketchy.

Tick Dickler

Loved the discussion! Am I remembering right that Sony poached someone from Apple Arcade a while back? Colin I think you’re spot on. Not even Sony is this dumb, this has to be engineered, there are too many similarities with iOS.

Phishoto

Can’t wait to watch this, everyone on PS5 has notice the insane amount of $2 games recently. When new releases are over whelmed with trash games (most of which are just repeats skinned differently) it’s a problem.

Anonymous

Speaking from my own experience, I moved countries a few years ago and made a new psn account in that country to be able to use with my new local debit card. I couldn't change the associated country of my old account, and obviously couldn't transfer my old platinum trophies either, so I bought a matching number of cheap, quick platinum games to "transfer" those platinums to my new account.

Anonymous

Apart from making the PSN shopfront a dogs breakfast, it truly has devalued the trophy system. I can’t understand the motivation to buy these games. The irony is these titles are primarily selling to people concerned with the value of their public profile but any trophies from these titles renders the purchasers entire account worthless to anyone viewing. I could be wrong and there is immense self satisfaction from holding X whilst a taco or a piece of sushi jumps.

Anonymous

Anyone have the link to the Reddit thread?

Lil' Jazzy

I just started trophy hunting and will absolutely never play one of these titles.

Anonymous

my man beat up football game and defended my name is mayo… idk about this one

Anonymous

Pretty sure he was referring to Football by Breakthrough Gaming, the subject of the podcast, not Madden or something.

Anonymous

there is a ratalaika easy platinum game titled “football game” its point and click maybe around a 2 hour game. not great quality, but way more than hitting x. but youre right, there maybe be a “jumping football game” that i dont know about.

SpectreBull

Here ya go! https://www.reddit.com/r/playstation/comments/w8uc3q/psn_shovelware_is_getting_out_of_control_make_it/ihrlpes?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

ben in the can

I just listened to this today and a thought came across my mind. Do you think there is a niche market for these games due to Playstation gift card balances? I'm wondering if kids with small balances (ie less than 2 or 3 dollars) in their accounts are buying whatever they can with the small amounts of money they can't use to buy a "regular priced" game or in game purchases. Or are they "porting" games from the infinite piles of mobile games and seeing what sticks? Just a thought. Thanks for the great content, Colin

Greg Dawson

Regarding the price increases. Back when Sterling was 2x the Dollar console prices were the same in the UK as the US. Meaning if it was $400 it would be £400 (so real terms $800). Same was true when Sterling was 1.5x or 1.3x the dollar. Sony etc are eating more at the moment as the exchange rates don't favour them as much these days and that's another reason why they're increasing outside the US. The current exchange rate, £1 buys $1.16. The lowest its been for a while. Sony are losing a lot of money relatively speaking even though in real terms we're already paying more per console.

LastStandMedia

I think this is even more pronounced with Yen, which is where they are truly eating it in comparison to the USD.

Guybrush Threepwood

Really great episode, learned a lot and a lot to think about from this. I think the console makers are just praying that we never figure out just how good pc gamers have relative to us in so many ways. example - on steam u can customize the store for yourself. on pc you dont pay fees to play online. pc sales are always better. pc games run better, look better, control better etc. Once gamers start to figure out what its like "over there", maybe the console makers will have to adapt a little.

Hecktix

Colin is 100% correct that shovelware exists on Steam but the user tools push all the crap down and only the good stuff rises to the top so it's not a problem on Steam. The PSN store on the other hand is a complete dumpster fire and I have no idea what Sony is thinking, it's completely absurd.

Robert Olbert

Could I have please the names of those companies? I am not able to spell them right and I am Slovak.