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When a movie invokes our obscure hometown of Brookhaven, Long Island, you know we have to give that film the proper KnockBack treatment. Dagan's been smitten with Alex Garland's 2015 directorial debut Ex Machina recently, and in a strange twist-of-fate, I (Colin) have actually seen this flick, a relative rarity. Dag and I both sat down to watch it again, though, and deliver this episode of KB to you today on the tail-end. Garland's AI-focused film may be nearing its decade mark. Yet, it's somehow jumped the boundary from sci-fi to reality in the 10 or so years that have elapsed since its release. AI is no longer some future hypothetical what-if; it's happening before our very eyes. And there's no doubt that Ex Machina has a lot to say about the subject: Its creation, its development, and its very essence and nature. Can robots ever be alive? Perhaps it depends on what being alive even means.

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Tyler Bumpus

Good talk. RE: AI & Perfection— The problem with our concept of perfection is that it is not really rooted in reality. There is no demonstrable model for perfection in this universe. (Mathematics maybe comes closest, but it is imperfect because it is incomplete, unbeholden to the physical universe and, therefore, incapable of fully accounting for our reality.) Perfection as we know it, then, is not an achievable reality but an ideal striven for, taken entirely on faith. The faith of a deeply vulnerable species grasping for mastery over the conditions of an often merciless existence. Good art is born from this. Whatever medium it is. It is an expression of the personal and experiential which, if successful, crosses paths with a common root in the experiences of others. Art is imperfect by its nature. Its putzy human imperfections are what give a work its style, its voice, its texture, its sound, etc. It is deeply moving and commiserative to witness another person wrestle with this universe through art. It is not really moving to watch an AI (more specifically generative AI, which is a misnomer, by the by) remix and regurgitate things it neither comprehends nor truly relates to experientially. It’s fascinating to watch, but ultimately hollow. Because it is not truly expressing itself. One day, true AI will, and that will probably be a sight to behold. And in that moment we may call them siblings. (Or gods?) But until then it’s a puppet show that will get boring fast. Human imperfection will become a commodity. And who knows—maybe it’ll make us try harder to distinguish ourselves? Sorry for no tldr. Thoughtful episode.

Tyler Cumerford

Nah she knows she's gonna die out. The way she shows human emotion is in the fact that she doesn't want to be a caged animal. She wants to feel human and free. If only for a little bit. And the other point is that now the technology is out there. Whether someone finds her corpse or she shares herself with competitors so she can live on, it's over now. It's out there and I'm sure they took over. Lol