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The fourth episode in conversation with George of CAVDEF discussing Henry Lee Lucas. In this episode, we become the Texas Ranger Defenders, at least regarding the Henry Lee Lucas Texas Ranger Task Force. We explore largely-buried information from mainstream sources that suggest that some of Lucas's confessions were genuine. Then we examine the backgrounds of the three people most responsible for exposing the Lucas "hoax", and lay out what Netflix didn't cover for each of them.

George then explains how he came to have a large tranche of Texas Ranger investigative files and what these files lay out. Ultimately, what we find are some very curious events occurring surrounding Lucas's recantation, including a law enforcement standoff between agencies. Alarmingly, there is potential evidence of brainwashing involved in Lucas's recantation, suggesting more mind control at play beyond Ionia. Things are not as simple as you'd see in the Netflix series.

George's Notes:

• In light of Wendy Painting's recent revelations about Jolly West, the Lucas/McVeigh parallels that we alluded to are perhaps even stronger based on what we discuss in this episode

• A small correction in describing Arthur Jay Harris's findings: it was the multiple northwest Florida murders (including that of John P. McDaniel Jr.) which were validated by the FDLE through independent matching statements from Lucas (years after his initial recantation), Toole, and Toole's nephew Frank Powell. The Miami-area murder of Linda Karbin and Hazel Haack was just investigated by the local police, but Harris examined those records also and found that Lucas accurately described the victims before picking them out of a lineup; the entire interrogation was taped by the detective.

• I had stated that Aynesworth applied to the CIA in 1964, but he was actually referred to a CIA recruiter in 1963, a month *before* the Kennedy assassination:

www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=55211#relPageId=84

George's Links:

https://twitter.com/CAVDEF_George

http://cavdef.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page

http://blog.cavdef.org/

series art by Dakota

Sources:

D Magazine, "THE TWO FACES OF HENRY LEE LUCAS" by Nan Cuba and Dr. Joel Norris, 1985/10

Hugh Aynesworth involvement in the JFK case:

Stephen Michaud bio describing his collaboration with Aynesworth on the Ted Bundy case: http://stephenmichaud.com/michaud-bio.htm

Overview of the Grand Junction scandal and its ties to Ted Bundy: http://blog.cavdef.org/2022/10/ted-bundy-didnt-act-alone-down-grand.html

Jim Mattox bribery scandal: D Magazine, "MAD, MAD MATTOX", 1989/10/01

1985 Dallas mayoral election controversy:

Anthony Melendez clemency petition in the Lake Waco murder case

Bob Prince report on 1986/03/14 responding to the Texas AG's criticism of the task force: https://imgur.com/a/b6TxJOv

Sister Clemmie statement on 1985/04/16 about her visit with Lucas in the Waco jail: https://imgur.com/a/VXyV98i

Henry Lee Lucas letter to Sister Clemmie sent in late April 1985: https://imgur.com/a/zKplisK

Austin American-Statesman, "Lucas claims pressure to retract slayings on radio show", 1985/05/02

McLennan County grand jury testimony of Sister Clemmie in April 1985 and July 1985, with annotations: http://cavdef.org/w/index.php?title=Serial_killers#sisterclemmie

Episode 48 Songs:

Los Amantes by Los Hermanos Gutiérrez

Dorado Valley by Los Hermanos Gutiérrez

Who Was In My Room Last Night? by Butthole Surfers

Merch:

https://programmed-to-chill.myshopify.com/

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Comments

Cory Waring

Was somebody flicking a knife in this episode? I know that sound very well and i don’t believe I’m mistaken.

Anonymous

george are we still on for the back the blue rally later

Anonymous

No knife, just me playing around with an IKEA Allen key that was on the table next to me lol

Anonymous

I think it was either this or the prior episode that mentioned the West Memphis 3 and how the commonly accepted narrative of a bungled investigation may be more complicated in that case too. George or Jimmy, has this been covered in CAVDEF, a podcast, or anywhere else? Very interested to learn more about this.

Anonymous

We do discuss this in the last hour of part 6 in this series. Since the WM3 case has so many parallels to the Lake Waco murders, we compare the complications in both to try working towards an understanding of what really happened at Lake Waco.