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Star Trek: TNG 1x08 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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2023-09-30 17:00:05
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Star Trek TNG 1x08 Full Reaction

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Ian Smith

As Ryan mentions above, this story went through extensive rewrites - and you can bet that Roddenberry (who was very active as a script editor throughout Season One) added all the sexual stuff - as he did with Naked Now. I strongly suspect he did it so that he could hang around on set with lots of beautiful scantily-clad young women...but that's neither here nor there in the greater scheme of things.. What matters is that this story touches on two extremely profound subjects: the nature of justice; and the nature of our perception of God. It obviously can't spend too much time over these in only 45 minutes, but I respect the writers for giving it a go (and if Roddenberry's was the guiding hand behind that, then his inclination with additionally wanting to add 'sexy' elements is ultimately forgivable). The ending is,(as Jess pointed out), far too quick; but I'm really not sure how it could have been constructed in any other way within an episodic series format. The important thing is, they tried!

Thomas Corp

Oh, well, you are most welcome, Jess, for all the positive comments and sentiments imparted to your Next Gen journey thus far. Now to the episode. Not one I was overly fond of, though certainly intriguing enough. As I see Ryan said, Ian reiterated, this went through numerous rewrites, which shows at parts. I have mixed feelings on the sexual nature of the planet. Ian confirms my thought that Roddenberry was chiefly responsible for that. I also see Ian’s suspecting that Roddenberry’s reasoning was so that he could hang around on set with lots of beautiful scantily clad young women. I wouldn’t put it past him, knowing his reputation. I was uncomfortable with the planet. The way everybody flirts and comes onto our main crew, I’d be so uncomfortable, saying, “Lady, there’s a speed limit with these sorts of things. We came down here to make peaceful contact, not THAT kind of peaceful contact. No thank you.” Which pertains to a point you noted that highly uncomfortable though I would be on the planet, you are right, they do seem to value consent, which is an improvement on some of Trek past. And when it came to the costuming, both genders were both scantily clad, which, also, an improvement from the past. Like you, I clocked something was off about the place. I’m aware that anymore I’m quite a cynical sort. I look inside myself and see my heart is black, but even setting that aside, the overly cheerful nature of the planet’s inhabitants is creepy as sin, even if I wasn’t half-dead inside. Which brings us to the main plot point of Wesley in trouble. This is where the episode becomes intriguing. It raises interesting questions, themes, and topics. Unfortunately, it does not sink its teeth into the meat of it as much as we might ideally like. It certainly would have been helpful had the planet’s inhabitants had mentioned the law earlier. And that’s something interesting as there’s an old legal principle dating back at least to the Roman Empire, Ignorantia juris non excusat, which translates roughly as ignorance of the law does not make one exempt from it. Thus, it’s an ethical and moral debate that could have been very interesting of exceptions being made for Wesley, and how right or wrong is either party in this scenario. Which it was, just not as much as it could have been. The resolution is indeed rushed, that bugged me a touch as well. You keep getting me right in the heart, Jess, with your reactions to the scenes of Picard and Beverly. In this episode, I loved how Gates conveys the sheer worry that Beverly is going through because of Wesley’s life being on the line. And how Patrick expertly conveys Picard’s lines where he can’t imagine what Beverly is going through, having no children of his own, I’d be in that same boat, yet he still conveys his worry for Wesley. And that moment where he promises Beverly that her son will be saved, Prime Directive be damned, well, it gets me right in the heart, and your reaction to that moment, Jess, was most lovely. Another highlight was your reaction to Wesley’s rather awkward line of Starfleet never lying. As Ryan notes, even Wil himself admits to not loving it, though he also has the rationale of the line works in showing Wesley’s naiveté. I agree with that, whilst adding that it shows fundamentally, Wesley is a good boy, he has a good heart, but he is still just a boy, who does have a lot of growing up to do still. Thank you for another wonderful Next Gen reaction, Jess.

Magus
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People talk about Roddenberrys vision and talk crap about newer shows not staying true to his vision... Just because someone created something greater than themselves doesn't mean the greatness that comes out of the show can be attributed to the creator I guess. Roddenberry doesn't sound much better than Joss Whedon