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Star Trek 3x08 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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2022-12-17 17:51:48
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Star Trek 3x08 Full Reaction

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Ryan

This one comes off as a real missed opportunity. Just imagine the story of McCoy's illness on a modern show, which could spend months with the characters racing against time to find a cure, rather than knowing it will somehow be resolved by the end of the episode. Also, it's always felt weird that there's literally no reason for the people to be forbidden from knowing they're on an asteroid, just so there can be some kind of conflict in the climax.

Anonymous

Well, I'm sorry to hear you haven’t been sleeping too well lately. I've been in a similar situation myself. Actually, that’s usually a consistent thing around this time of year, holiday stress/being depressed around the holidays I suppose, though admittedly it’s been more on the depressed side over the last decade; a feeling that’s been significantly exacerbated over the last few years. So, I empathize with you on that, Jess, and again, I am sorry to hear about that. By the way, I thought your hair looked nice. Perhaps I'm not the best judge of anyone’s hair, but I thought it looked nice. If nothing else, you can at least do stuff with your hair, I can’t. I don’t have enough hair left on my head to do jackshit with, so, you know, what the fuck do I know, right? I’ll be sure to keep an eye open for an update on your allergy test that you mentioned. Now onto the episode. Here again, we have an episode that I finish and say to myself, “I’m going to see what Jess has to say about this one. Partly because I am unclear as to how I altogether felt about the episode, and I think Jess’s perspective will help me sort that out. Also, this is one I just really want to hear Jess’s thoughts and perspectives.” I will say that one initial thought that I had was that this episode felt like two episodes crammed together, and it kind of hampered the ideas they were trying to present. And it’s a bit of a shame as the episode had interesting ideas and plot points, they just didn’t execute them as well as I thought they could have. Also, yeah, that title is quite the mouthful. Two primary issues with the episode. The first being, as you observed, the very abrupt love at first sight romance between Bones and Natira. As you stated, the episode does a good job of making you understand why Bones would make the choices that he made. Even so, the love story plot felt rushed and abrupt beyond belief. When Natira very bluntly proposes marriage to Bones, I'm even saying, “Whoa! Slow down there, lady! You don’t have to hit the gas like that! There is after all a speed limit about these types of things!” In all fairness, similar to how you described, I'm not necessarily the biggest fan of the love at first sight type plot. I'm not saying I never like plots of that nature. I'm saying that if one is to do that it needs to be done in a very organic and believable way which is exceedingly difficult to accomplish. All that said, DeForest Kelley was great with the time in the spotlight that he was given. The other primary issue is like how I see Ryan stated, the missed opportunity with Bones and his illness. Yeah, I wish that had been given more prominence than it was given. I share your displeasure of the expeditious manner in which it was resolved, in that Spock basically said, as you put it, “Oh look! They have a cure! He’s cured!” I’m watching the episode and said, “Well... that’s just lazy writing on an obscenely absurd level.” Other moments that stood out were Spock’s moment with Bones. That was, as you said, very sweet. Leonard Nimoy was excellent in that scene. You had the same reaction I did when Spock and Kirk are accused of killing Bones. I yelled, “Wait! THEY killed Bones!? Listen, lady, they’re not the ones who put a mind control/pain chip into him!” I also got a laugh over Kirk’s big dramatic speech as it was a perfect display of Shatner’s patented style of acting that they told us to avoid in theatre class. So, ultimately, I'd say you enjoyed the episode more than I did, and I’m glad to hear that. Yes, you did say in last week’s reaction that you wanted the two episodes hence to be sans sexism, racism, and/or any other isms that would incite a rant/tirade. And as you noted, one down, one to go. Now, mind you, I haven’t seen this show in some time, so I don’t recall what episode is next, but hopefully, next episode is one without the elements that drive us up a wall. Again, glad to see the episode was one you liked, and I do hope things become less hectic for you. Take care of yourself, Jess.

Josef Schiltz

Oh Jess, sorry that your sleep is all over the place. Having been through that numerously I know what it's like. Having been a sole carer does that to you. It's been years since and it still doesn't work right. I think I'm going to have to get some Nutrasleep. That has worked in the past, but I have to order it in from the States and takes a while to get here. Usually by the time it has the need has passed. I need to be a bit more organized. Like those preppers that hoard stuff up. Like the Jurassic Park shirt by the way! Very paleological. I remember a paleologist once asked an older one what he thought was the fascination was with dinosaurs. He said that the response was a little flip. "They're big, fierce and extinct!" I'm off to have some Teddy Bear's Choice Berry Tea. Just the thing to have this time of year I think! TLC Jess and Rocco.

Anonymous
>>97785898

I hear you on how being a carer really does a number on your sleep. I was one for my dad for the better part of two decades, all starting when I was thirteen. My sleep really does go all over the place sometimes, though as I say it’s worse for me around the holidays, particularly in the last few years. It's been my experience that I try not to take anything because I don’t wish to run the risk of dependency on anything. Besides which, my brain is wired in such a way that there have been occasions when I had three cups of coffee past midnight, slept like a baby. The insomnia always comes in spells it seems. And when it does, it’s like Shakespeare wrote about sorrows in that “They come, not single spies, but in battalions.”

Josef Schiltz
>>97785898

Yikes! I really do know where you are coming from on that one! I was a sole carer for my mother from 1983-2013. My health practically gave out and I was hospitalized. Thing is, we have raised cortisol levels via our distinct neurology. Chronic stress makes it all far worse. I didn't realize that I was an Aspie until 4 years ago. Looking back, my whole life's experiences made sense. Thing is, my mother was the type of person that would stand at point A, see point C and charge. Point B was knocked out of the way. She was an accident waiting to happen. She was also practically deaf and had very poor balance due to a fractured skull when she was twenty-one. There was no way in hell she would have survived long living on her own. My dad passed away from a heart attack in 1969. I was her interlocutor with the rest of the planet for thirty years. I developed a mental 'benign user interface' over the years and kept taking momentary mental 'holidays' and drew, painted and wrote as an attentiveness exercise. Being an SF fan and a Surrealist also helped tremendously and also of Shakespeare. I can quote reams of it! Thankfully, my mother was also very fond of Doctor Who, her favourite being Jon Pertwee and she loved both him and Roger. I also had a confidant in a life-long friend of my mother and we could sneak conversations on the phone. That definitely helped! She did tell my mother off sometimes, so I knew someone - at least - was on my side if she became troublesome. After she passed away in 2016 at the age of 93, it took a long while to reorientate my life. For a while I thought that I belonged in the past - a dodgy period to go through! - Depressive periods came and went. Jess helped tremendously when I discovered she had started her Who reactions online and watched her first and stayed watching ever since. She's a beautiful person. I've had to deal with C-PTSD naturally enough, plus nightmares, and had to move so that I am no longer in the environment that had all the stress. That has helped. It took me four months to move my library and a ton of family history but I believe it's paid off. Wow! That was something. I'm gonna have some more of that tea!

Anonymous
>>97785898

I can’t say I had it that bad, but still, I relate. My being a carer for my dad started in 2004 and lasted up to and including when his health started failing in May 2021, at which point he was hospitalized until his death that July. I wasn’t completely alone in caring for my dad. My mom and my brother helped when and where they could. But more often than not the responsibilities fell on my shoulders, as my mom’s a teacher who worked full-time until her retirement in 2018, and my brother had already started college by the point in time when my dad became disabled and required care. The last few years my dad couldn’t even get dressed and leave the house without my helping him. I know what you mean by taking a while to reoriente in life. Presently, I'm still going through it. I also know exactly what you mean by developing, as you put it, a mental benign user interface, as well as taking momentary mental holidays. I forget when I was diagnosed with Asperger’s, but I know I was very young when it happened, around the same time as when I was diagnosed with ADD. I will say I started more aggressively reading about Asperger’s when I hit my twenties, and that’s helped me have a much better understanding of it, and like you said, looking back on certain experiences makes more sense. Definitely have a much better understanding as to why I'm as picky of an eater as I am. You’re right about the elevated cortisol levels. I got diagnosed with depression around the latter part of high school, and as you describe, it comes and goes; the period of time where my dad’s health failed, his death, and the weeks and months following were a particularly egregious and nightmarish spell. I first discovered Jess and her channel coming up five years ago now. It has been so lovely watching her videos, both for the quality of the videos, and for how she has been a tremendous source of help, relief, and comfort during difficult times. And when my dad died, and the time after, Jess was a Godsend and has continued to be so. Like you say, she is a beautiful person.

Josef Schiltz
>>97785898

It incredibly more difficult when your executive functioning starts to collapse and we certainly understand the 'duty of care' - that term in 'Hell Bent' hit deeply. I feel that we can also relate in our own lives to the Confession Dial. That was extraordinary to relate to at that time. It felt as if it had been written for me! I felt as if I had been caring for someone else at the expense of everything that I was. Where was me? (Where was 12?) Meantime, all the equations that were being chalked out by the Doctor felt like the complex analyses that I was going through each day just to survive. Incredible timing! He became the Doctor right at the time that my mother finally went into a care home because I could not cope anymore. It's taken until now for my mind to actually start working again because all my creativity was being channeled into each days task. Mum had dementia and in the end I spent some nights sitting on the stairs. She had tinnitus and she would be convinced she could hear water running. She was so deaf - and this I tried to tell her, but it wouldn't sink in - I said to her, "Look! The Suffolk floods of 1953 would flowing past your bedroom window and you wouldn't hear it!", but it just wouldn't sink in. She'd set off in the middle of the night to find the tap she was sure was running! And I knew that if she tried the stairs then she'd end up down the bottom of them without me being there! My hospitalization with an infection was the turning point. My GP stepped in and said that the situation had reached the point of no return. I think Aspies have a tremendous amount of focus and tenacity when a task needs must be done. But we must remember that our health can suffer really badly if we don't pay attention to ourselves. We can, from loyalty, give too much and consequentially end up in an unrecoverable state. The term 'benign user interface' was coined by the philosopher Daniel Dennett, who talks I've found very useful. It refers to the desktop of a computer and has been a useful concept to employ. We are all such complex creatures and, of course, we are usually more mindful of the macroverse, as opposed to the micro, so we live in the macroverse - of tables, chairs, trees and dogs - that we are used to. We live within that area of the BUI, the desktop, until recently, unaware of all the complexity, the neurologies, the proteins, etc, that go on beneath the surface. Part of my BUI are drawings and paintings. Wherever I go, I take some prints I particularly like and, if I feel the need, I sit in a cafe, with a pot of tea, my sketchbooks, one or two familiar books, get the prints out and spend a while walking my mind around the paintings. Each is a complex depiction. One is a John Tunnard, the other an early Miro. Both seem to 'fit' like a neurological key and I find the sight of them calms me almost immediately. Maybe you could adopt something similar? I hope that you turn a brighter corner. I think we could do with it, certainly after the last few years.

Anonymous
>>97785898

Yeah, that duty of care line hit home on such a visceral level. Those episodes are some of the biggest reasons as to why Twelve is my Doctor. Because it’s like you said watching those episodes, it felt like they were written for me. When Peter Capaldi debuted as Twelve, I was already delighted as I love Peter’s work, but I was amazed how much I saw myself in his portrayal as the Doctor. And to then see those episodes, it was perhaps the most prominent occasion of seeing myself so vividly in the Doctor. The way you describe about your mom, is like how it was with my dad in that there was a great deal of work and care that I had to do to make sure he was ok, shop for food and other essentials, help keep things cleaned, and some nights, making sure he was in a position where he wouldn’t hurt himself when I wasn’t there. It's also like you said, there was some intervention from an outside party with my dad in that an accident happened that required calling for medical assistance. It was quickly determined that he needed to go the hospital, from there, everything that could be done was done, and it still wasn’t enough; the point of no return was inevitable. I'm left with the guilt of wondering if I had sought more help before it reached that point, would things have been different, and I'm still processing said guilt. I concur that we Aspies have an immense amount of focus and tenacity when there is a task that needs to be done, yet it comes at a severe detriment to our own health, mental and physical. We do often give too much and run the danger of reducing ourselves to a veritable husk. It feels like a never-ending struggle sometimes.

Josef Schiltz

I think that if you have done your utmost you have to come to a point when you realize that. As analysts, we go over these things in our minds time and time again. This is the way our distinct neurology treats us. This is why 'Heaven Sent' pertains to us so strongly. It's not a time loop, it's what is referred to as a 'do loop'. Each loop is not exactly repeated as in each trip there is a very slight advance. We have, though, to come to the realization that we are 'out of the confession dial'. To attempt to analyse within that loop can no longer be generative of a different outcome and to further our analysis in that area leaves us fighting for our own sanity. We have to mentally enclose that area of our lives and close it down. It will become easier to do that, trust me on this! One of my distant cousins is also a Aspie, is in a similar position of being a carer. His mother has cancer, one of the fast track ones and he has been down a bad route when it comes to attempting to blot out his stress. What I would refer to as an anti-intellectual route. My own way of doing things has been prevention. I read books by nutritionists when I was in my teens and adopted that rather than an inevitably deteriorative way. It seems that we - in general - favour intelligence as our normative and it makes no sense to destroy it. We are almost Vulcan in our steadfastness to it. It is our strongest tool, our strength. We ARE survivors and we WILL continue to survive. We will do no harm to either ourselves or others. We have done well so far and need to convince ourselves of that despite the nagging feelings of guilt. There's that Vulcan game of building structures called Kal-toh. The concept of building structures. A useful thinking tool for someone whose life has descended into chaos and has been, through no dint of personal fault, thrust into a post traumatic phase of self-blaming guilt? In the end, we have to realize that we cannot control everything. That is out of our reach. To suppose we can, well, that way lies insanity. We don't want that! We dismiss the anthropochaotic as an ungenerative area! Engage the home walk of the confession dial. The bird has nearly demolished the diamond mountain. One more blow outta do it. You know what? That's one hell of a bird!

Josef Schiltz
>>97828976

Just wondered, does anybody know if Jess has ever seen Primeval? It seems unlikely that she hasn't - due to the central theme - If she hasn't, wow! Shocked and surprised!