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The Clone Wars 6x12&6x13 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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2022-11-01 13:40:04
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Ryan

And for quite a few years, this once again looked like all we’d ever get from Clone Wars. But then Disney’s relaunch of the franchise went so spectacularly well (give or take a Solo) that they actually greenlit a proper conclusion for the series alongside the other forays into Disney+ material that were going on. And so in Spring 2020 we got Season 7 at last, and probably with a huge bump from people like me who’d never been interested in the animated side of Star Wars until seeing the big fuss people made about the appearance of the Darksaber in the Season 1 finale of The Mandalorian a few months earlier: Enjoy not having to wait.

Thomas Corp

Like I said, this is a most superb arc. It is interesting in that your perspective is very much like Yoda’s given you’ve stated you don’t have the strongest recollection of the events in Revenge of the Sith. His journey on the first planet with the five priestesses was trippy. Yes, a highlight was Yoda’s confrontation with the Shadowy Gollum Yoda showing to us that even Yoda has his own Dark Side. I like the fact that you enjoyed that. It is such a heartbreaking part of Yoda’s idyllic world, that reveals Yoda’s desire for both Qui-Gon to still be alive, and the wish that Count Dooku had never left the order. We must remember that for all that has happened, Yoda still views Dooku as a son, well, at least as much as one can when there’s a 794-year age difference. A major highlight of the arc is Yoda’s journey to Korriban. Yes, I am aware they call it Moraband here. When I first knew it, it was called Korriban, so I'm going to keep calling it Korriban. Lots of fond memories of being on that planet, by the way. I will say there were not any shadowy snakes when I first was there. Those were new to me. I had a huge nerd moment when Yoda confronts the spectre of Darth Bane, quite the Joker, he was. Every time I see the scene where Bane appears, I want the show to do a freeze frame, and pull up a subtitle that reads, “HEY KIDS! IT'S MARK HAMILL! (APPLAUSE!) It is exhilarating seeing Yoda face Darth Sidious. The avatar of the Light, and the most powerful avatar of the Dark, face to face, at last. Tim Curry brought his A-game for his scenes as Sidious in this arc. Now, I know, I know that Tim’s performance as Palpatine/Darth Sidious is contentious, and that many fans don’t care for it all that much. And I'll concede that if I were to pick who I would want to play the character, I'd pick Ian McDiarmid any day of the week and thrice on Sunday. Still, having said that, there is a soft spot for Tim Curry’s portrayal of Sidious, one, because of my love for Tim, and two, these episodes particularly, he does an excellent job of capturing the wickedness and diabolical glee of the character. Fans can disagree with me if they like, and I won’t argue with them, but that’s the way I feel. All throughout the show and various other projects, Tom Kane always did wonderful in his impressions of Frank Oz whenever he portrayed Yoda, and it’s thus fitting that he delivers some of his best work in what’s some of his last portrayals of the beloved Jedi Master. Another major shout-out to Kevin Kiner’s terrific work with the score for this arc. To again sound like a broken record, especially the fantastic inclusions of the John Williams themes, in the final episode particularly, the masterful presentations of both The Imperial March and The Emperor’s Theme. And in the final scene the most lovely use of Yoda’s Theme, even going so far as to include the conclusion of that piece. There’s also his moment of sneaky-sneak where he drops a few notes of one of my top five favorite themes of John’s that first debuted in Revenge of the Sith. I heard that, and I nearly had a stroke, saying, “Hooooo! Those notes, that was... That w... Hoo, boy!!” So, with this episode, we reach the second series finale of The Clone Wars. Now onto the final stretch. You’re in the Endgame now, Jess. These reactions were so terrific. Thank you so much.

Ryan
>>94736438

It was such a great piece of serendipity that despite Palpatine being an old man in Return of the Jedi, they cast a comparatively young actor who was then able to live long enough to do all the other great stuff he's done with the role.

Thomas Corp
>>94736438

Yeah, it was most fortuitous of the casting of Ian McDiarmid when he was thirty-seven to play the Emperor at the age of eighty-eight, and how he’s lived long enough to keep coming back to play the role as many times as he has, and how’s continued to be as brilliant in the role as he has.

Saltire

I thought you may have reacted to the "Death is just the beginning" statement at the start Jess! That is some pretty heavy stuff to think about! :) R2 has been to some pretty mad places when you think about it. And he never gets wiped, so remembers it all. I think Lucas said R2 is the witness to the events we see in his films. And Yoda doesn't take his lightsabre, as he realises its only what you take with you that will be relevant here (and a weapon is a sign of aggression and fear) - something he repeats to Luke later before the latter enters the cave on Dagobah in Empire Strikes Back. An episode like this can only be done in animation, else it might look a tad ridiculous in live action. And that for me is why I feel these days, that Star Wars is in its best guise, in animation. The stories they can tell, the freedom they can do that in, the longer format storytelling, lends itself best to animation. Yoda feeling the guilt of the orders imminent demise, gets me every time; but thats the lesson here, he has to let go of that guilt and attachment to it, if he is to succeed and become a force ghost. Great stuff. (Sorry George, the ancient Sith homeworld is not Moraband, its Korriban and will always be so. ;) ) I love the "there is another Skywalker" line for many reasons. Firstly it tells us Anakin will be important somehow, also that another Skywalker (or two!) will come along which will be significant; and of course, it is Yoda's last words as he dies, which is what this arc is about. The last scene though is tremendous, and could only be done in animation. Of course what Yoda says is significant, but the fact the scene takes place near the sacred Jedi Tree tells a story all of its own. We see the leaves falling, some already on the ground, indicating change, that we are in Fall and Winter is approaching - indicating the rise of the time of The Sith. However as the camera fades out in the final shot, we see one of the leaves budding, suggesting Padme is pregnant, and that hope is not all lost. Masterful. My favourite of the three Clone Wars 'endings' as it ties in so much with the prequels and original trilogy.

Saltire
>>94736438

I'm glad you referred to the Sith planet as Korriban too Thomas, as I do in my thoughts. Its Korriban, and will always be Korriban, never Moraband! :)

Saltire
>>94736438

McDiarmid hails not 10 miles up the road from myself, so am always happy to see and hear him! :D

Thomas Corp
>>94736438

Good to see I'm not the only one who still calls the planet, Korriban. Yeah, Ian McDiarmid is one of those actors who is so immensely talented, whom I love so much that I'll watch him in anything, and it’s always great to discover more of his work. I remember there was an instance a few years ago, I became aware of the show The Professionals, and came to enjoy it. I then discovered that one episode that Ian was the major guest star, and I got so excited to see him in it. I really enjoyed seeing it. That’s a really neat fun fact about him hailing not ten minutes up the road from yourself.

Thomas Corp
>>94775746

R2 has seen some things over the years. Yeah, there is something about these episodes that would be difficult to pull off in live action. It’s kind of like how when I've heard people say they want a live action adaptation of the show Samurai Jack, I always think that something would be lost in translation and/or it wouldn’t work as well in live action as it does in animation. I’ve heard the excuse that the name Korriban is still canon, albeit I believe they describe it as “a name of antiquity” hence the change in name to Moraband. Like I said previous, it was Korriban when I first knew it, I'm going to keep calling it Korriban. That’s a great analysis of the symbolism of the final scene of the episode. I don’t think I have a definite favorite of the three finales of The Clone Wars. I could make a case for any one of the three. This one is quite special, though.

Saltire
>>94736438

Just checked on the show as I wasn't sure if they made a new one, but yeah The Professionals was a huge show in the UK back in the 80's that I used to love as a kid. Cracking theme song too. Gordon Jackson in it as the boss of CI5, with Bodie and Doyle flying around in their Ford Capri, great stuff! Ian is also a fellow alumni of my old university too and I'm thinking my parents may have knew him as he and a lot of other well known Scottish actors, like Brian Cox (whom my dad was in the same class at school with), Nicol Williamson, Bill Paterson, etc, all used to be regulars at a local repertory theatre in my hometown; and my parents used to be there all the time when I was young. If you are into Shakespeare, you should try to find Ian McKellen and Judi Dench doing a BBC adaptation of MacBeth from the 70's, and Ian is in that. Due to the dark lighting they used in that, everyone appears pallid, and he kind of does look a lot like Palpatine in it.

Thomas Corp
>>94736438

That’s cool about the connection your parents have with the actors you mentioned. I am quite fond of Shakespeare. Personal favorite is Richard III, though Macbeth is one that’s up there on my favorite Shakespeare works. I’ve not yet seen the entirety of the adaptation of Macbeth that you mentioned. I have seen portions of it on youtube, largely the scenes with Ian McDiarmid, more specifically, I've seen Ian’s performance as the porter, and it was superbly incredible to see.

Saltire
>>94775746

I've never seen Samurai Jack, but the 2003 Clone Wars is in that style I believe, and is a lot of fun. However translating that into live would cost too much and perhaps look ridiculous; imagine Durge in live action! Wouldn't mind seeing Fordo made canon though, if there was one clone that could approach Rex in greatness, it might be him! Also just the things they can do with our characters in the animations, is just something that without the use of heavy CGI, doesn't translate too well. Take Ahsoka; here in Clone Wars, she is diving around all over the place doing extreme moves, jumps and whooshes, yet her fight scenes in Mando weren't that impressive. Of course Filoni wanted her to appear to be a kind of Jedi Ronin so made the scenes more Akira Kurosawa-esque; and perhaps it will be different in her series, but you can just do more in animation than live without spending a fortune on CGI or extreme stuntwork. Korriban isn't canon I don't believe, as Lucas made Moraband here canon through mentioning it here in TCW; though Filoni might go along with what you are saying that Korriban is a name of antiquity for the planet. The original capital of the galaxy was called something like Had Abbadon, and this was changed in a book to Coruscant, which Lucas liked the name of; so he felt 'Cor' and 'Korr' sounded too similar and maybe confusing, so changed Korriban to Moraband. The KOTOR games were so good, and there is several references to them in Rebels, which we may get to (and I hope we do as its my favourite Star Wars show, as you may note by my avatar!) with Jess. All three endings of the series are great in their own way and for different reasons, which I may go into once Jess is done with the finale. I just love the tone of this one though, and that music too with Kiner and co on top form (as they are in that s7 final arc too).

Thomas Corp
>>94775746

Both Samurai Jack and the 2003 Clone Wars were created by Genndy Tartakovsky, and they share an identical style. I highly recommend Samurai Jack. Durge would prove difficult to bring to live action. Would be cool to see Fordo made canon again, that’s true. Yeah, the KOTOR games are two of my favorite games. I did love the references to them in Rebels. If we’re assessing a preference for the three finales of The Clone Wars based on the tone, yes, I suppose I would agree with you that the tone of this finale is perhaps my favorite of the three finales. And I'm with you on Kevin Kiner’s music.

Saltire
>>94736438

Richard III is excellent, though I'm also partial to Henry V as well, as I do like rousing speeches! :D Ah thats pretty cool that you have seen portions of MacBeth, another of my fave plays of the Bard. Whomever wrote the plays ascribed to Shakespeare, was a genius.

Saltire
>>94775746

Yeah I think we spoke a while back about Kiner's music and how its just getting better and better. His scoring for Tales Of The Jedi the other week was exceptional.