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Demo Update (Patreon)

Published:
2023-02-26 17:47:46
Imported:
2023-06

Content

What's new?

-Chapter 4 completed!

-Talk with your guests the following day after your birthday

-Discuss matters with Morgana and Accolon

-Confess your feelings to Gawain, if you're crushing on him

Enjoy!

Link: https://llamagirl.itch.io/the-bastard-of-camelot-beta

New Password: BOCDemoUpdate28950

If you find any bugs or typos, have any suggestions or simply wish to leave me feedback, here's a handy dandy Google form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc7F8P0TtGRrucAzhU9j57I29IELyFBdcU7TxyyxQ9HMFsKgg/viewform?usp=sf_link

Edit: A save made after the conversation with Morgana on Mordred's birthday immediately after that revelation, will likely mess up the game and keep you from progressing. (I added a new reaction, tweaked the choices in that scene with Morgana and edited the variables accordingly.) Sorry for the trouble!

Comments

Anonymous

Finding some issues with the scenes the day after - some of them have missing dialogue options and I don't think there's an option to talk to Arthur on the day after?

Anonymous
>>102798181

Also stuff like Gawain and Kay's scenes can't progress past a certain point

llamaswriting
>>102798181

Gawain's should be fixed now (I assume it was in the sweethearts route, right?) For Kay, I don't know which could be the reason? At what point does it stop? It's very possible something got messed up if you're using old saves (specifically, a save after the discussion with Morgana immediately after the revelation; I tweaked with the choices and variables there and added a new reaction). Come to think of it, that may be a problem in Accolon's scene too since some convo lines rely on Mordred's reaction

Anonymous
>>102798181

I'll post all the stuff I've found with an imgur link in the bug report form

Anonymous
>>102798181

I'll try a fresh save and see if there's still anything amiss

Anonymous
>>102798181

I'm not sure if there's meant to be an option to talk to arthur on the day after the birthday? There's currently no option in the list and I didn't talk to him the night before

llamaswriting
>>102798181

ok so there should be conversation choices there with morgana and accolon; i'm not sure what's wrong, I've looked at the code more than once and it seems alright? I've played through with a save I made right when Mordred gets the revelation from Lot, and they don't appear for me either...I'll play from beginning too to see if the save is the problem tho it's such a weird thing because, then other parts of the code should be affected but apparently no...I hate the code TWT

Anonymous
>>102798181

Yeah I'm testing on a brand new game and there's still no dialogue for accolon and morgana, kay scene has a red error too edit: I got a dialogue option for both of them about junia telling her dads

Anonymous

cant get past the first page when talking to kay (im using an old save so that may be it)

Anonymous

Gawain & Kay show up as choices to talk to even if they shouldn't be at the party (not corresponding/friends with Gawain).

llamaswriting
>>102804959

With Gawain there was an issue with appearing without being invited, but Kay's coding seems fine. He's there even if Gawain isn't invited as long as Arthur came (as security)

Anonymous
>>102804959

Gawain just refuses to be ignored xD. I wasn't sure if Kay was still there regardless so I added him just in case.

VickyPink

No errors to report here, just wanted to say I loved the update, thank you. It's awful to think Mordred still doesn't know the true extent of Morgana's evil and how she continues to hurt Arthur through her curse. I wish they knew so that when Morgana offers to prove her love we could ask her to lift the curse if she truly cares. Hope we can leave mother dearest behind and move in with Arthur one day.

Amanda

I loved all of the additional conversations so much, but just when I thought that nothing would top Arthur's for me, the discussion Kay has with a self-blaming Mordred is such a close second 😭😭 my heart! I didn't know I needed that dynamic so much. I can't wait, and sincerely hope, for more familial interactions between the two after that.

DarkTiger1991

Love the update! Is it just me or are a lot of the Galahad romance options gone? I can't seem to trigger any of them beyond noticing his eyes are pretty. I was getting them pretty easy each playthrough until recently.

Anonymous

The "Go to Gawain" part the day after learning about what Morgana did doesn't seem to have an ending part. The one where he shows you the Tarot Cards.

llamaswriting
>>102873448

Huh. So you can't progress past that point? Were you sweethearts/crushing/oblivious crush/just friends with Gawain? There was an issue on the sweethearts path, but it's fixed now

llamaswriting
>>102867937

Thank you! Hmm, well none were taken out! You should have a romance option on the first feast night (the pretty eyes one), then by the river if you: try to befriend him or land next to him because it's Mordred's place and they refuse to give it up, and also during the dnd-like game, if you went with the boys to Gareth's chamber, when you find out his nickname is Gally. I think that's about all 🤔

Anonymous

So, usually I dislike being negative, especially when it concerns stories I've followed for a year at least. However, recently the story took a very uncomfortable turn, not because I'm sensitive to M topics but because I feel like those could've been handled better. Let's start with the easiest portion. Mordred finding out that her whole reason for existing was for a revenge. So, this is a lot. And I mean A LOT. This is potentially a life-crippling revelation. Kids at the same age group as Mordred tend to look up to the parents as protectors/providers, parents are usually the biggest thing they put their trust in. And if some of the kids find out that their whole reason for existing was as a tool, I can't even begin to describe the amount of trauma and trust issues that develops as a result. Like how are you even supposed to put your trust into anybody at that point. Do you know what is worse? Morgana just went in and confirmed everything, like at that point no amount of words will ever win the trust of a child back. They will not believe you any longer. Moreover, I understand that characters in fiction tend to act more mature than their actual real life age counterparts, but this is just ridiculous. When I read Mordred finding out this stuff I was expecting so much drama to come out of this, but pretty much regardless of your stats Mordred handles it with the maturity of a 20-30 yo person. At their age (and pretty much until 16-18) they are not going to be reasonable at all, it doesn't matter how calm they are (they just didn't emotionally develop enough to even handle that information, nvm in the manner it was handled in the WIP). And the update also gives the impression that Mordred is already over it, like what? Is a nightstand with a friend is enough to erase the trauma? It also feels like the book wants to have too much that it can reasonably handle. Like, severe trust issues is enough for a full length film to explore and study. Just this theme is enormous, but we also add rape on top of that and the way a character deals with it. As well as themes with bullying and toxicity. Its a lot for a single book and here's why: for a properly developed story that bases its themes around rape and trust issues the audience needs to have a deep understanding on: who the character is, how does this impact their lives, and how they are dealing with that all of which requires a lot of time to develop and sell to the audience, since it requires to get deep into the character's psyche. And on top of that the book also wants to go into the direction of Morgana's redemption arc, which is why we need to know: why did she do it? It feels like there're so many things that the book wants to dive into and explore but there's simply not enough time to do it. Ok, so I was avoiding this subject. THIS is the reason of why I'm writing, this is my main source of discomfort. So... Morgana's redemption arc. OK OKOKOK. Recently, the book was hinting that I should feel pity or empathy for Morgana. Let's put it this way, would you feel pity for a school shooter when he says he is sorry, or that he feels anguish? That's my feeling for Morgana, I don't feel any pity, any empathy and I'm unable to. What she did was so vile and disgusting that any potential to feel empathy for her has disappeared. Moreover, she had traumatized Mordred and Arthur then she had the gall to act morally superior to Arthur and condescend to Mordred. THEN she acts like 'woe is me', and ACCOLON CORROBORATES WITH HER LIKE SHE IS IN ANY CAPACITY A VICTIM, SHE IS THE PERPETRATOR. Honestly, I can understand and empathize with Lot at this point, NOW I understand why he hated her so much. I just wish that he wouldn't act like such a dick to Mordred. The only thing I don't understand is how on earth does Avalon accept her in any capacity. Not only that but she doesn't get any sort of punishment at all. The whole incident is pushed aside and treated like a fucking case of 'We didn't tell Mordred in time.' HOW IN THE FUICK DOES IT GET THE SAME TREATMENT IS RAPE NOT FUCKING SERIOUS ENOUGH. WHOOPSIE DAYSIES I RAPED SOMEBODY. I sincerely hope the author will take note of this at least. I have been following this project since the second chapter had been posted on Choice Of Games forum and have been eagerly following the news of this game ever since.

J B
>>102969565

I do love this story, and I think there are a lot of positives. I have to cosign one of these concerns, but I'd also like to address the others. I don't actually agree about the scope of the book w/r/t heavy topics being a problem -- it's up to you, the author, to decide how and how fully to investigate and process these heavy topics. Sometimes things aren't fully resolved, and that's up to the author's discretion; there isn't a one-size-fits-all. Also, with regard to Clueless' assertion that Morgana's getting a redemption arc: I don't keep track of every online convo, so could be missing s/t, but IS Morgana getting a redemption arc? That might be an assumption on your part! It's possible the player can play a Mordred that WANTS to redeem Morgana but (to keep it brief) can only get a 'bad ending' as a result. If you've ever played those CoG Vampire Masquerade games there are many such endings as those! In addition, I actually feel pretty good about the author clearly delineating the rape and abuse as bad -- it may be anachronistically clear-cut, in fact! Though I do have to agree that the *consequence* of its reveal (and purpose of Mordred's existence) DOES feel *narratively* "pushed aside and treated like a case of 'We didn't tell Mordred in time.'" You're the author, and can do that if you'd like, but what Clueless and I are expressing is that as players, the consequence of these reveals feels narratively uncomfortable, doesn't make sense, and feels disproportionate to the weight of the revelations. This, for me, gets into a larger conversation on current literary sensibilities w/r/t heavy, traumatic acts of harm. The prevailing logic rn is if such an act (1) exists within the literary piece, it MUST (2) be unilaterally torn apart and declared evil by (a) the narrative, (b) the characters, and (c) the plot. This, I feel, is both ridiculous and damaging to the quality and allowable social breadth+depth of modern literature. The author Jen Silverman says it perfectly: "I am troubled by how often people talk about likability when they talk about art. I am troubled by how often our protagonists are supposed to live impeccable, sin-free lives, extolling the right virtues in the right order – when we, the audience, do not and never have, no matter what we perform for those around us. I am troubled by the word “problematic,” mostly because of how fundamentally undescriptive it is. [...] [B]y saying [a piece of literature] is problematic you are saying that it constitutes or presents a problem, to which my first instinct is to reply: I hope so. Art is the realm of the problem. Art chews on problems, turns them over, examines them, breaks them open, breaks us open against them. Art contains a myriad of problems, dislocations, uncertainties. Doesn’t it? If not, then what? *I think we’re laboring under a moment in which many believe that the sole function of art is to provide moral guidance.*" https://www.macdowell.org/news/swimming-in-it-art-and-immorality Where I do 100% share concern: As is currently stands, Mordred is not handling these serious, life-changing traumas the way any child conceivably would be able to. I cosign Clueless' concerns in the specifics. Happy to talk about it more in depth if you're interested; I know a lot about human behaviour, psychology, and traumatic responses+growth during the lifespan (BA in psych + soc, clinical MSW, and i specialise in trauma).

llamaswriting
>>102969565

Thank you for the feedback. It was never my intention of treating such a heavy subject lightly. I'm taking note of both what you and J B said about Mordred's feelings and reaction after the revelation being pushed aside too quickly. I will revisit that section of chapter 4 and focus more on each individual branch of Mordred's reactions and flesh out what they're going through so that it doesn't feel brushed off. I do want to say though that some Mordreds may choose to keep excusing Morgana and her actions, because they crave her affection - just as some Mordreds may choose to distance themselves from Morgana and lose all trust in her! I didn't want to get into too much detail right now, since the revelation is still fresh, so I decided to reflect upon how their relationship has changed in chapter 5, once a couple years have passed. Morgana, though, will try to pass off what she did as "not such a big deal, it was just necessary, etc" because that is her mentality at the moment, because if she admitted to herself that what she's done is wrong then she'd have to accept the fact that she is a villain, that she raped Arthur the same way she's been raped. She's deep in denial, down a spiral of excuses, and Accolon feeds into that, because Accolon, despite being a very lovely person in other aspects, has his own faults, and this, I'd say, is one of his greatest. In fact, I'd say they're both aware, on some level, of how horrible the entire situation is, rape and conception out of revenge, and that's exactly why neither wanted to tell Mordred (besides the fact that it'd also be a hard subject to broach with a child). I'm not excusing them, far from it - but it is very intentional that they downplay the gravity of Morgana's actions because well, that's what they'd do. That's why I want to balance it out with characters clearly calling Morgana out on her vile deeds, and that's where Junia comes in. All that being said, we are still just at the end of chapter 4 of the first book in a series of four, so I'd say I have plenty of space to explore these themes. Regarding Morgana's potential redemption arc: I have talked about Mordred potentially (up to player choice) trying to get Morgana on a better path, meaning getting her to admit her wrongs and give up on her notions of revenge. I do want to make it clear what a redemption arc means for me before we discuss it further: for me, it's not about suddenly everyone deciding that person is forgiven. Redemption, for me, is about the person realizing the wrong they've done and having a desire to change, which they act upon not to be absolved, but because they genuinely want to be better, to do better. Those they've hurt absolutely should not have to forgive them, or accept them. It's simply about a character changing their ways. Also, about punishments for Morgana: what she's done is knowledge shared among a select few, who have agreed upon sweeping it under the rug and not making anything public. That's why the public doesn't know that Mordred is Arthur's child, or that there's a prophecy about them, or that Morgana raped him.

llamaswriting
>>102969565

J B, if you're willing, I'd be very happy to have a discussion about Mordred's reactions and trauma and how to better handle that! Thank you!

J B
>>102969565

I'd love to have that conversation! Feel free to PM me, and I'm happy to text chat, phone call, or video call -- whatever's best!