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Battlestar Galactica 4x11 "Sometimes a Great Notion" | Full Reaction (Patreon)

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2024-04-01 15:00:09
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Well, that was devastating. I’m devastated. This episode packed a punch as it plunged us into the depths of despair. Really well done! I can hardly wait for the next episode. 

YouTube Link: https://youtu.be/gsSLnbRl1wU

*Please disregard any reference to the poll to pick the next show. That is for YouTube once this episode posts. The poll will be on May 5th

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Tom Servo

I'm a little confused about the actual behind-the-scenes regarding the potential impact of the writer's strike of '07-'08. I've seen some interviews with the cast and crew that strongly elude to the idea that the show was being produced traditionally and was following the usual pattern of being "picked up" per season based on ratings and all that. To the contrary, I've also seen a lot of interviews and whatnot with Moore, specifically, talking about how the miniseries was done to test the waters for viewer interest in a series, and that he had gone to Sci-Fi with an entire blueprint for the entire series already in-hand, and that the deal was that if there was a series to follow the mini (if the numbers were there), it was all or nothing. As in, "This is the story I want to tell, and it'll take exactly four seasons. No more, no less. It's either green light it all in one go, or you don't make this show at all." Most fans know the stories about Olmos and how he told Moore he wanted to do the show because it was an amazing human story, and that the moment he showed up on set and was asked to act with someone in an outlandish alien costume, a la Star Trek, he would be kind enough to let them film him having a heart attack to kill his character off in-show and he'd walk, no questions asked. That was, I believe, after he had read the entire four-season treatment. So there's a bit of conflict about the actual production and how much the Writers' Guild strike actually did or didn't impact the series. I read somewhere, probably 15(ish) years ago or so, that the main writing staff just passed off the blueprint to the B-team during the strike and said something along the lines of, "This is how it goes. Don't deviate too far off this and you'll be fine." But I don't work in Hollyweird, and I'm certainly not a SME on the production. I'm just going off some of the things I've read over the years, and it's entirely possible some of it may be conflated or just plain apocryphal. All that having been said, this is THE episode where, for me, the series stops being the first 4:45 minutes of Freebird and transitions into the breakneck insanity of the solo. From here on out you just strap in, make sure the bar is locked securely across your lap, and ride the white knuckle coaster of insanity from scene to scene at the speed of light while trying to hold down those two corndogs and those deep fried Oreos. What you're about to witness is the best science fiction storytelling ever filmed, and some of the best acting to ever be snubbed by the Emmys.

casualnerdreactions
>>133982212

It's always difficult to know the ins and outs and specific details of tv production. I have no doubt there was a rough treatment for the show from start to finish, but I am sure sci-fi never guaranteed they would get to finish. I'm also sure the strike gave the showrunners time to think and tweak the ending to some extent. The blessing, and or maybe curse of time. How much it did or didn't affect the show is a mystery. Maybe not at all. BUT I AM SO EXCITED for the ride to come.

Tom Servo

I am legitimately scared to actually comment openly about anything having to do with the show proper. In a few weeks, Chris will look back and be like, "Oh, yeah... I can totally understand why people might not have had much to say at the time." So I will add this bit of observation. You know Chris is on top of things when there's an unexpected knock at the door and his immediate knee-jerk reaction is to snap so he has a sync point for editing. That was a boss move, my guy.

Charity Konusser (the chonus)
>>134010318

I think at this point we're all being extra careful about what we say. I'm enjoying the thought of Chris coming back to these comments after he's finished the series and getting to read them. And yes - great call on snapping, Chris!

David Anderson

This is long, and has no spoilers--if its too long please go ahead and skip it haha. This episode is so powerful in conveying the catastrophe the collapse of a worldview can be for someone. Something I find interesting that is not really explained so I'm not sure if its accurate, is that it seems like the Cylons have formed different views about their one God. They coalesce on certain things in agreement, but they are definitely distinct. As a person that is religious myself, I've found the writing to be some of the most solid representation of these dynamics that I've seen in sci-fi or maybe film in general. Caprica Six seems to be something of a "God is love" evangelical, trying to convert others and having all the complications of dealing with mass death, suffering, etc that comes along with it. But she wants a better world and does both kind and cruel things in her pursuit of it. We can't help but like her as time goes by, but she changes from loving to terrifying in a blink of an eye. Leoben is fatalistic, like a Christian calvinist, and his certainty comes across as arrogance to those that encounter him, while the confidence is unsettling for unbelievers as well, especially since his uncanny ability to reveal to people who they are and why has the ring of truth to it. He is not seeking converts really, believing that all things are already determined. And in his devotion, he is willing to suffer and die, over and over, to see another person's part in God's plan carried out. But when confronted with being wrong, in that key moment, he can only turn and flee from it. Sharon/Boomer are more or less nominal believers and tend to tie themselves to someone else' worldview. They go from devotedly following Caprica to walking lockstep with the atheist, Cavil, and will react to how they feel they are being treated in the moment, without seemingly their own solid beliefs. Sharon, in frustration, tells them that they need to make up their minds and choose a side. Cavil of course, is simply a materialist atheist, interested mainly in systems working and eliminating problems. He is surprisingly more interested in converts than Leoben or Sharon, and it is interesting that he chooses to disguise himself, earlier, as a priest. Simon and the five I'm not as sure about, but they seem to lean towards agreement with Cavil in general, so I've always assumed they were atheists though not as aggressive. Lastly, the 3 is the hardest to classify, but I think of her as more of a fundamentalist, who is simple in her beliefs, driven by both doctrine and spiritual experiences, and is kind of over it with this whole world and ready to move on to the next life. She acts in the world, but after her conversion, if you will, is ready for the next one. Sorry again for the long comment. This is something I noticed but I haven't read Moore's thoughts on it, so I could be off.