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6 years ago…

The sun began to set over the northern army’s encampment. Soldiers marched back and forth, carrying supplies into their wagons and harnessing the centaurs. Loh stood watch over the soldiers, barking out orders to her messengers as they came.

“I want the supply wagons to be in front of the rear guard and set two battalions to protect them. There may be no raiders at night, but there are still other predators this near Glimmer Grove forest,” Loh ordered.

“Yes, general,” a messenger saluted and jogged away.

Another messenger ran through the crowd of soldiers and wagons. She hurried to a stop in front of Loh.

“General,” she saluted between heavy breaths.

“What is it?” Loh raised an eyebrow.

“It’s your brother.”

“What did he do this time?”

“Aizel is missing. He managed to slip past the guards you had stationed in front of his tent.”

What?

The messenger’s face paled, “Uh, um. What are your orders, general? Should I gather the scouts?”

Loh took a deep breath and looked up at the sky. “Fuck my life!”

The messenger took a fearful step back.

Loh sighed, “The scouts have already been sent ahead of us to the south to ensure the army’s movement. Bringing them back now would take too long. Besides, I have a pretty good idea of where my idiot brother is.”

“General?”

“Make sure those guards are given thirty lashings each. I need to find Vayu,” she stomped off.

~~~

Loh found Vayu in his usual open clearing. His fire drake had been equipped with her battle armor and ready to travel or fight, whichever came first. His hawk rested on one of the drake’s large horns. Vayu was already saddled when he caught the look of rage on Loh’s face from a distance.

“Loh? What happened?” Vayu hopped off the large wingless lizard.

“My idiot brother,” she seethed.

“Aizel?”

“He’s fucking gone! That’s what happened!”

“What? No, that can’t be. We were supposed to have a drink before the army headed out.”

“Vayu, he clearly doesn’t care as much about your nightly drinking as you think.”

She pinched the bridge of her nose and clenched her eyes shut. “I think he went to go get those stupid villagers.”

“That doesn’t make sense. The camp won’t be here by the time he gets back,” Vayu shook his head.

“Normally it wouldn’t. The problem is, the little prick knows his importance. My grandfather explicitly ordered me to keep him safe.”

“He knows you will halt the army to get him back,” Vayu said with dawning realization.

“He is a scion of House Noir. His safety comes before the mission,” she sighed. “Can you just help me?”

“Leave it to me,” he nodded.

Vayu sat cross legged on the ground and closed his eyes. “I’ll need some quiet and time to focus. It’ll probably take a while to find him.”

Loh glanced around the open clearing, “Should be easy enough. None of the soldiers dare get close to your drake.”

“Right then, I’ll try to make this quick,” he closed his eyes.

Purple runes began to glow around Vayu’s grey skin, starting from the skull’s temple all the way to the base of his spine. Vayu’s hawk shuddered, its eyes flashed a bright purple. The hawk flapped its wings and shot up into the night sky.

Loh didn’t have time to be impressed by Vayu’s binding magic, chromatic purple’s true spell-form. She was too busy thinking of the repercussions of Aizel’s idiocy.

She would have to at least send two battalions to ensure his safety, in case the caravan were a bunch of raiders in disguise. She would probably have to lead the battalions herself. She would send Vayu on ahead with the rest of the army to the rendezvous. Hopefully two-thirds of the northern army would be enough to protect the diplomats.

That egotistical, self-righteous ass thought I would save those villagers just because I had to save him? Loh thought angrily.

Aizel had no idea, she would kill those villagers herself if it meant saving the mission. She would get Aizel then leave the caravan and the damn villagers behind.

Loh cursed under her breath.

It was always like Aizel to fuck up her life. First, it was becoming grandfather’s heir and apprentice. Loh’s future had looked bright before Aizel failed to do his job as heir. Then Aizel had taken the love of their parents all to himself.

Finally, Aizel had taken the love of the woman she loved. And now, when all she had left was her position, her army, he sought to make himself the center of attention once more. He was going to ruin her mission all so that he could go home with a story of how he bravely saved a bunch of commoners from Valley raiders.

She clenched her fists until they drew blood.

“I found Aizel, he’s on a centaur leading the caravan of villagers towards our camp,” Vayu said.

She sighed in relief, “At least we found him quick. Maybe our mission isn’t completely fucked yet. How far is he?”

“About eight leagues still. The villagers' wagons are quite slow.”

Dammit. I swear I’m going to make that attention whore pay for running away.”

“Wait, I see something,” Vayu’s eyes shifted under his eyelids.

“What is it now?”

“I think... oh gods, raiders. At least a hundred of them are slowly closing in on the caravan.”

“What? How? It’s already dark. Valley tribes don’t initiate attacks at night,” she wrinkled her nose.

“Well, these ones do. I’ve never seen anything like it... Wait, Loh, I don’t think the raiders have seen the caravan yet. We still have a chance of getting to Aizel first, but we need to move now,” his muscles tensed.

“Dammit, we’ll need to have our centaurs run as fast as they can. They’ll be tired by the time we arrive. The battle will be difficult. We’ll need three battalions at the very least to ensure minimum casualties,” Loh rattled off her thoughts.

She started running back up the hill towards the rest of the encampment. Loh swore that when she found Aizel she was going to make him regret running away.

A whisper of an idea slipped into her mind. Loh froze, the world fell deathly silent, she could hear her heartbeat thrumming loudly in her ears. The idea was insanity, yet the more Loh thought of it the more rational it sounded, the more sure of herself she became.

Vayu cracked an eye open, “Loh? We're running out of time.”

She slowly turned and walked back down the hill, “What if we don’t?”

“What? I don’t understand.”

“What if we don’t go? What if I don’t rally the soldiers?” She said shakily.

“Then the raiders will kill Aizel! Loh, I’m not kidding, we have to move now!”

Loh swallowed and looked him in the eyes, “And if I don’t give the order?”

“...What?”

“Our mission comes first. If I send half our army to protect Aizel we risk failing to secure the route and the safety of the diplomats.”

Vayu opened both eyes, “Loh, this isn’t some random commoner we would be forsaking. This is Aizel, your brother.”

“Our mission comes first,” she nodded to herself.

“That’s bullshit and you know it! You said his safety comes first!”

“Aizel made his choice.”

“Are you kidding me right now? Loh, this isn’t a joke, Aizel’s life is in danger!”

“So, what? So fucking what!? All he has ever done is ruined my life! I’ve lost everything because of him.”

“Loh…” Vayu’s eyes widened.

“I-If… If Aizel were to disappear, things would change. Yeah, they would change,” She ran a trembling hand through her grey hair. “My parents would stop looking at him. Tauri would stop looking at him... She wouldn’t marry him.”

Vayu stood up and slowly raised his hands, “Loh, this won’t play out how you think. Aizel is a person, not some thing you just lose and forget about.”

“How do you know that! Huh!? My family treated me like a thing! I was just a convenient tool to be used whenever they needed me! Why is Aizel different!?”

Tears ran down her face, “Why is Aizel the one they care about? I’m the one who gave up everything to make them proud. He did nothing.”

She fell to her knees and burst into tears, “Why does he get all their love? Why am I alone?”

Vayu wrapped his arms around her, “Loh…”

She wiped her tears, “Not anymore. I’m gonna change the narrative.”

“Loh, you can’t do this,” he whispered.

She pushed him away, “Why not? Everyone thinks Aizel ran away from the camp. No one knows we already found him. If we wait, only for a little bit, we’ll be too late. We can say we were too late to save Aizel and the caravan. No one will ever know.”

“I will know,” Vayu bit his lip.

“You? You would tell people? Vayu, the man who said he would always stay by my side? You would betray me now? For him, for Aizel,” she snarled. “I should have guessed, everyone always chooses him over me.”

“Loh, it’s not like that. I love you, but he’s my friend,” Vayu gripped his chest.

Shadows wrapped around her body. “I’ve made my choice. It’s time you make yours.”

Vayu threw himself at her feet, “I’m begging you, please don’t do this. He’s my friend. Don’t make me a part of this, please.”

“Are you with me or are you my enemy?” Loh whispered apathetically.

Vayu looked up at her, tears fell down his pale grey face. His lips trembled. Vayu’s body slumped over, an empty shell.

“I am so sorry... Aizel,” he whispered.

She turned away, “Keep an eye on Aizel with your hawk. Tell me when the raiders have done their work. I’ll send in a battalion afterwards.”

Vayu gripped his hands and tried to stop them from trembling, “You have no idea what being a kinslayer does to someone.”

Loh laughed maniacally, “Kinslayer? Do you have any idea how many aristocrats kill each other for a chance at ruling their Houses? My own grandfather, the great Elzri Noir, killed not one, but two of his siblings!”

Vayu stared at her weakly, yet with determination, “You don’t think that affects people? I am a purple mage. I have read the minds of prisoners who have done horrible things. I have seen the guilt eat them up from the inside until they are a hollow shell of their former selves.”

Loh looked at him coldly, “You speak as if I have guilt.”

~~~

Present Day…

Loh stared at the wine in her mug, at the reflection of the woman she despised staring back at her.

You were right, Vayu.

The guilt had eventually found her and it struck her like a dagger to the back, its cold edge biting into her very soul. But by then it was too late, Aizel was gone and Loh had lost everything.

She gripped her mug. If I could take back that night, I would have given anything. But I can’t. You win, Aizel.

A warm hand touched her shoulder.

“Loh, are you okay?” A gentle voice said.

Tauri’s voice broke Loh from the memory. The sounds of the wedding reception returned in all their rowdy galore.

“Hm? Yeah, I’m fine,” Loh forced her lips to smile.

Tauri poked her grey forehead, “What goes on in that brooding head of yours?”

“I was just thinking about an old gambit,” Loh shrugged.

“Oh? What happened?”

Loh downed her wine in one swig. She slammed the mug on the bar counter. “I lost.”

“Hah, that’s hard to believe. The magical genius of House Noir, losing? Nay, impossible!” Tauri yelled dramatically.

“I don’t feel like much of a genius right now… Only an idiot,” Loh sighed.

Tauri’s face grew solemn. She bumped shoulders with Loh, “Well, technically you’re a prodigy, not a genius. You’re allowed to be stupid sometimes.”

“Is that right?” Loh grinned wryly.

“Definitely. If you can’t act stupid, then what hope do us ordinary folk have?”

“Tauri, I could describe you with a thousand words, ordinary would never have crossed my mind as one.”

“Wow, I never took you as a poet, please regale me with one of your ballads,” she batted her amber eyes.

Loh laughed, “Stop or maybe I really will.”

“Alright, alright,” Tauri raised her hands in surrender. She glanced down the bar, “Oi, two of the strongest stuff you got!”

“Right away, miss,” the bartender nodded enthusiastically.

“Are you trying to get us wasted?” Loh raised her eyebrow.

“If we can’t get drunk at a wedding party then I see no point in living,” Tauri winked.

“I guess so…” Loh fidgeted with her mug.

“Damn right,” she nodded.

“...I’m sorry for what happened to Aizel,” Loh whispered.

Tauri’s smile died. She reached out and grabbed her best friend’s hand, “It wasn’t your fault, Loh. No one expected Valley raiders to attack at night. You and Vayu rode as fast as you could to save Aizel. You can’t blame yourself for what happened.”

Tauri took a long deep breath, “You know, I used to think what would have happened had you guys been able to get there just a few minutes faster. If only one of the soldiers noticed Aizel had left the camp a few minutes earlier. If only Vayu’s hawk had been able to locate Aizel before the raiders attacked. How different could things have been?”

“...What changed?”

“One day I came to the realization that Bellum had decided it was Aizel’s time.”

“You think the goddess of war let Aizel die?” Loh’s hands trembled.

“Well, not exactly. I don’t pretend to know the minds of the gods. But I have to believe Aizel died for a reason. Because if not… Well, no point dwelling on that,” Tauri swallowed.

Loh felt the pain constrict around her heart, it was difficult to breathe.

“You sure you’re okay?” Tauri patted her back.

She cleared her throat, “I’m fine, really. I was just thinking it's weird how your family worships the ebon gods.”

“What, do you want me to be a staunch atheist like you?” Tauri chuckled.

“Maybe? Well, what about the scarlet gods? Do you ever whisper a prayer to them?”

“No,” Tauri shook her head. “Many orcs still do, especially in the city of Murkton. But the way my family sees it, we left the Scarlet Realm centuries ago. If House Katag is to rule over the Ebon Realm’s people, we should worship their gods too.”

“And you really believe that?”

“I do. After all, why would a scarlet god listen to the prayer of an orc in a faraway Realm? But an ebon god listening to an orc of a Ruling Family of Hollow Shade? Well, that’s a different story.”

If the gods are real,” Loh added.

“Careful, Bellum might smite you,” Tauri winked.

Loh shook her head, “I’m more worried Lunae might smite us both. We are literally in a tavern that has a sign outside with a drawing of the moon with two shapely legs in high heels.”

“Good point,” Tauri conceded.

“Here you are, miss,” the bartender placed two full mugs in front of them.

Tauri grabbed one and passed the other to Loh.

“I win!” Stryg yelled triumphantly from across the room.

Clypeus and Kegrog fell over next to him, empty mugs all around. The crowd cheered the winner of the drinking contest.

“I always thought Stryg was a strange one and nothing I’ve seen today has changed my mind,” Tauri chuckled.

Loh grinned, she raised her mug high, “To the newlyweds!”

“To the newlyweds!”



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Comments

ArchonUmbra

Thanks for the chapter.

Lictor Magnus

Dang. I figured she had put him in the line of fire somehow but I didn’t expect her to hang him out to dry like that.

Zy

Its sad but its beautifully writtend. As a reader i empathise with both of them. Loh had a breakdown because of how everyone treated her when she was still a child. But its still her fault so she is guilty. Shitty situation. Really great work

Jabari Lambert

I understand how Loh felt but her feeling were misplaced Aizel loved her and didn’t thought himself a failure when Loh thought he was the beloved son. What Loh did was wrong if she had a good reason not to help her brother fine, but her reason was petty and fueled by hate and jealousy. Her actions don’t deserve pity same with Vayu he chose to let his Aizel die so some girl may eventually love him. I think it’s only karmic justice that Tauri doesn’t love Loh and Loh doesn’t love Vayu. The only victims here are Aizel and Tauri

Amelgar

I'd venture to say there were no victims in this whole debacle. All involved contributed to the situation in varying degrees. Especially Aizel and Tauri, being the ones to push Loh into the state of mind she was in. Tauri with her inaction and Aizel with his action. I kinda feel sorry for Vayu being dragged into this mess.

Jabari Lambert

@Amelgar you’re right but the thing that cements Loh as the bad guy to me was that she actively hoped Aizel would of died. Aizel putting himself in the situation was dumb though. I don’t think Tauri’s in action had anything to do with this, she loved Aizel she was happy she was gonna marry him the end.

Amelgar

I was referring to the emotional stress they put Loh through. It's not much of a surprise Loh eventually snaps and does something stupid. The way I see it is that Loh is Tauri's victim. The betrayal of a friend and the person she loves. Tauri is aware of Loh's love for her but decides to go along with the marriage with her brother anyway without trying to sort things out with Loh. It's plain to see that the marriage hurt Loh deeply and I would have expected a friend to _do_ something rather than let Loh's pain stagnate and fester. The least she could have done is confront Loh and say she doesn't feel the same way about Loh.

Albert Garcia

I honestly don't care about Aizel. Sure, she should have sent people after him. However I completely understand why she did what she did. Hell, I probably would've done the same. I doubt I'd have felt guilty about it. He wanted to play hero, and had she sent soldiers after to rescue him, it's likely just as many soldier would've died as there were villagers.

Alan McBrayer

The thing with Aizel is if she had saved him he would have just done something else stupid later and he would have died just the same.

Anonymous

You do not know that. Plus Loh could definitely make it so he understands what a mistake he just did but Loh was definitely not in the mindset to help him. She just left him in the sidelines because of jealousy and hate instead of giving him a feeling that he was learning or helping in any way. That was what pushed him to do what he did , he always had feelings of being useless for not having any power, you could even say an inferiority complex, that is why he always needed to do something that would say/show otherwise. Loh could not see past her jealousy and hate. Im i saying she was wrong in what she did? Morally it is wrong, but i understand why she did it. Both of the siblings had very bad problems and both showed themselves at the same time.

School work

What pushed Aizel was him being a loser. I think Loh's hatred was too deep but she wasn't wrong to hate Aizel, she just hated him for the wrong reasons. It's pretty clear Aizel was lazy, and a drunkard/playboy rather than seriously trying to help his clan. Meanwhile Loh was slaving away getting basically tortured all in an effort to become better for House Noir. Most of Loh's life was sacrificed living up to Elzri's expectations, meanwhile Aizel lazed about after he found out his magic wasn't there/was delayed. If Aizel has actually put in serious effort to the duty his younger sister's entire live was warped around, he would be alive. Instead, he spent most of his years fucking around, got magic later, did little with it, then, instead of listening to his superiors who has studies/mastered warfare, he runs off to play hero and dies.

Anonymous

Well i would agree with you if this was not a world with superpowers and magic . Lets say you are the eldest son of a super powerful clan , you are a kid with hopes of one day inheriting said clan , but u come to discover that you have no talent whatsoever ( plus u are still a kid) , you just had your visions destroyed. That would wreck even a grown man much less a kid.

School work

Aizel's not a victim. He knew there were good reasons not to go after the villagers, and chose to anyway. He banked on forcing the army to bail him out because of his bloodline while endangering the mission that would have helped the most people. Most people wouldn't dare disobey orders because they would be punished or executed. It's just another example of Aizel being useless and relying on others to do things for him. Only this time the others didn't bail him out and he died when he had to rely on himself.

School work

You know who also had their dream destroyed? His younger sister. The difference is Loh didn't get the luxury of living a pampered life style to mope about. Instead she was borderline tortured while having to bear all of the responsibility Aizel failed to. Unlike her brother, she wasn't given the luxury of being a child in an adult's body. She had to grow up fast and grow up strong or break. Aizel being wrecked by his dreams being destroyed is understandable. Aizel failing to adapt and grow with ample time and resources (and instead leeching off his family for years), is not. There's a very stark contrast between Stryg and Aizel. Stryg worked his ass off his whole life under harsher circumstances, saw it all crumble far more harshly than Aizel, got magic, and then kept working his ass off all while having far less and facing death. Hell, the commoners we see Stryg interact with seemingly put in more effort than Aizel did. They live in a cold, uncaring realm, (the title is literally realm of monsters) and Aizel was in one of the few positions in that realm where he could afford to be a do-nothing, moping, child and not get killed. He just got spoiled doing that, pushed it too far in a life or death scenario, and his childishness resulted in his death. If not here it would have happened some other time when Loh/the Noir name couldn't bail him out.

School work

Aizel did that all on his own, and Loh just refused to bail him out again.

Alan McBrayer

Loh left him on the sidelines because he wasn't good enough to play. He was an adult man who acted like a petulant child. If you actually believe that Loh had both the patience and ability to teach him not to make mistakes like this then why did he make this mistake after he had been with the army for weeks? Frankly his parents are more to blame than him, they are the ones that raised a useless son. In that world a man in a powerful position with supreme confidence and minimal practical knowledge or experience is a man who will get himself or others killed.

Anonymous

Look i get it you guys like Loh and don’t like him I understand, im the same. But it is a fact that he was Lohs responsibility, no matter how unfair that is to her it was HER responsibility. Letting your brother die because he is a manchild does not change anything. Plus he might still be alive , and we will see him very different.

School work

No one's arguing it wasn't Loh's responsibility. Obviously it was hence why she had a guard to protect Aizel from himself. It was also Aizel's responsibility. The point was that he was gonna die one way or another. When it gets to the point that your sister has to put a guard on your tent to keep you alive, you're probably gonna die one day. Loh's guilty, but so was Aizel and he was headed for a bad end one way or another, unless suddenly wizened up. He was just had too much power and was too careless to not end up fucking up. It was Aizel's responsibility to take care of himself, learn a bit, and listen to Loh's every command, and then get out. He wasn't there to become a master soldier, he wasn't there to be a hero. Aizel insisted on that despite Loh and Elzri's insistence otherwise and failed in his duty just as much as Loh. The only difference is Loh is strong and never had to rely on Aizel whereas Aizel was weak and relied on Loh. Both fucked up, but the difference in their strength and usefulness meant it only cost Aizel his life. https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/38240/realm-of-monsters/chapter/654583/chapter-95-yes-grandfather https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/38240/realm-of-monsters/chapter/700038/chapter-132-first-voyage Reread these chapters. Everything we brought up is mentioned. He was supposed to obey Loh and didn't. Loh fucked up in not bailing him out of his own fuck ups, but Aizel did fuck up.

Anonymous

Uhh did you read my other points or no? I said both had very bad problems so both were wrong . So not sure what you are arguing with me lol. Yes the way he was going was indeed bad but ppl learn with mistakes . So saying he was going to die because of it is not for sure. Did you not see what i just wrote that he might still be alive? If he is, that is proof of what i say is right.

School work

I mean he may be alive, we don't know. But at the time he was not learning and hadn't learned in years. If he did learn and is alive, it's not really proof he was gonna learn anyway and therefore live a long productive life, it's proof that he only learned his lesson when he wasn't bailed out because of his bloodline. If Aizel lives it's because Loh's choice to not save him taught him a lesson.

Anonymous

Again what you said is not rly right. Assuming he is alive , Loh not saving him definitely pushed him off a ledge for the change. But there is lots of things in life that could do the same thing . Would it take much much longer? Sure it could. But saying nothing else could change him is not logical. Lets say Loh saves him this time, he could have another brush with death or some friend of his dies, whatever it is the change can happen.

School work

"But there is lots of things in life that could do the same thing" I don't think that's true. Having his own sister let him to stand or fall on his own in a vulnerable position he chose because she hates him is not the same thing as some friend dying. It's a pretty unique experience that could prompt change where other things wouldn't. It's also unlikely he would be in a salvageable position were he to fuck things up. The only reason he was in a position to survive here is because Elzri specifically knew he couldn't be trusted on his own and arranged a babysitter. Once he was a lord in a military house, I highly doubt they would arrange babysitter every time he had any responsibility or duty.

Anonymous

I don’t care if it would be salvageable or not . There IS other things in life that can change ppl be it for good or bad. Loh did not need to take the guilt of killing her own brother becoming a kinslayer. He could kill himself or change it does not matter. Loh killing her brother changed her and nothing changed for the better for her, THAT is the point.

Khanalas

Aizel *thought* that he loved her and wanted to make her happy, in his usual bratty way. He failed, as an elder brother, to give any comfort to Loh suffering their grandfather's abusive strictness and their parents' neglect. When Loh's parents forgot she was absent from her 16th birthday, Aizel was at the center of the party and didn't raise a commotion trying to find her. He was as irresponsible in loving Loh as he was in everything else in his life.

Khanalas

Meh, I think that Loh changed for the better, Linkto. While she's eaten up by guilt, she still confronted her family and left them, and accepted that Tauri won't love her, however hurtful it is. Even the guilt, I don't know if it's worse than her getting more and more bitter would've been.

Geminus

If you seriously think that killing your brother is okay just because he is entitled, then you are a huge piece of shit.

Geminus

The number of people here defending Loh for letting her brother die seriously disgust me. Those are the sort of despicable shits that you cannot trust, less they backstab you for their own profit.

Albert Garcia

If that's what you got from what I said, you're a fucking dumbass. Being entitled doesn't warrant death, however Loh has dealt with a shit ton of crap because of her family and the expectations placed on her. The only person I'm fairly certain she truly cares about and loves is being given away to someone who has been given everything she has been denied. Also, the man who she's been trained by (her grandfather and mentor) has himself PERSONALLY killed their siblings. Being raised in that way, I can definitely see and even consider doing the same thing. I said I'd probably do the same thing, with the mindset that I was raised in this setting dumbass

Anonymous

Yea i can agree with you . But trying to make it seem like it wasn’t a wrong thing to do (killing her own brother) , that I can’t agree with. Like i said b4 , i can understand why she did it , but it does not make it right.

Anonymous

Right? I get it you don’t like the brother, but killing him? Wow that is pretty heartless and ruthless, definitely someone I don’t want to get to know. I like Loh , but trying to say that what she did was not wrong is definitely pretty sick.

Khanalas

I don't know if it's "right", more importantly this isn't what she actually wanted so she shouldn't have done it. There's no use arguing whether it was actually a correct call if the character we care about has a perspective that makes it incorrect.

Anonymous

I can understand her and why she did it at that moment in extreme jealousy , hate and unfairness. But to say you would not feel any guilt after… i only have to say that you would already be a broken person. All the reasons you gave have more to do with the family and not the brothers fault , so putting all the problems on that boy’s shoulders and killing him for it is definitely unfair as fk.

Albert Garcia

Obviously it would be unfair to place all the blame on him, however it doesn't change the fact that from her point of view he has received all the love and affection she never got. Once again, I'm considering from her setting. Living in a world where people die all the time, where it isn't abnormal for family members to kill/betray one an other. I wouldn't do kill/harm my siblings, and if I did by accident I would of course feel guilt. You and the other dumbass keep looking what I said without using your fucking brains. I was raised to love and care for my family. It seems doubtful Loh was raised with that mindset. She was raised training to fight/kill and lead the family. By a man, who I've already reminded, has killed 2 siblings personally. Also, it's not like she killed her brother. She just didn't go save him, there's a difference. Albeit just a small one. Watch what you say ass, cuz you seem to be implying I'm broken. I'm just able to empathize/sympathize with the mindset of societies other than my own.

Anonymous

Lmao. I guess you also don’t know how to read what I write so im not the only “dumbass” . I did not call YOU broken because you are not the one in the story. Im saying if anyone did not feel anything after that then yes you are missing something. So im glad she feels guilt for it. And I said I understand why she did it so im not sure why the hell you said the rest about her situation.

Albert Garcia

Holy shit you're an idiot. " But to say you would not feel any guilt after… i only have to say that you would already be a broken person." those are your own words dumbass. Also, you're saying that SOMEONE who wouldn't feel anything then they're missing something (I.E. broken). Since I had ALREADY said I doubt I'd feel anything, you ARE saying I'm broken.

Anonymous

Lol. You don’t know how you would feel man . I don’t care what you say you would because you are not in a fantasy world nor are you in her situation so moron plz…

Albert Garcia

I'm assuming you meant "you don't know how YOU would feel", and obviously dumbass. No one KNOWS how they would feel in ANY situation they haven't personally experienced themselves. This is a totally hypothetical conversation. It's also why I said that I DOUBT I'd feel guilty, because I don't actually KNOW. Brush up on your reading skills moron

Anonymous

Lmao. So why are you taking it so personal man. Chill your ass man.

Anonymous

Hahahhaha. What? You could not say anything bad about what i just said, so you say that? Hahaahah that’s hilarious. Your funny.

Albert Garcia

I mean, I could have, but it's pointless. You don't seem to have anything else to offer regarding my initial comment, so I have no reason to continue this conversation. You just seem kinda childish at this point. "that's hilarious. Your funny"(you're btw) it's like a dumbass teen who has nothing else to say and is just trying to waste my time and aggravate me by saying stupid shit like "you mad bro?"

Anonymous

We see childish ppl different then. I could care less about what age you are. What i see is what you are projecting when you are writing right now. I say you are funny because you seem to want to insult anyone with a different opinion of yours . THAT for me is indeed childish and funny for a man to need. And i asked you why were you taking it personal, and you straight up skipped that. Then you proceeded to try to make it an attack on me and make it personal again . You’re a troll right? If so then np man. We find fun where we want.

Alric Good

The newlyweds

Anonymous

I have been always talking about morals. Was it morally correct or incorrect for letting her brother die. From the guilt she is feeling, I would say she thinks it was morally incorrect.

Amelgar

I doubt there is a morally correct decision in this situation. People would have died regardless of whatever Loh chose to do. Her reasons for her decision though... Those certainly left much to be desired.

Anonymous

I don’t know about that. If she was not feeling guilt for that i would agree with you, but she is, so i think it was morally incorrect for her to let her brother die.

Amelgar

I was referring to morality based on the values of modern society. I'd hesitate to put much stock into Loh's personal definition of morality. She doesn't have a good track record for decision making.

Anonymous

Well then its even more wrong, morally that is. Would not saving your own brother correct morally? Even if others are in danger and even if you have Soldiers that may or may not die . It is they’re job to help the ones that can’t defend for themselves. Plus Loh could have just saved him by herself and left if the soldiers could not. So yes, it was morally incorrect.

Amelgar

I'd hesitate to associate modern soldiers with Hollow Shade's soldiers. They work on different social structures and laws. Let alone their motives for being soldiers. I also wouldn't associate a situation where death was required to save people morally correct. Morally ambiguous would be a more fitting term

Anonymous

And you skipped my point. Loh could save him by herself even if she could not save the others.

Amelgar

Could she? I'm dubious. The raiders could have had mages. And I'm a bit hazy on Loh's power levels at that point in time.

Anonymous

Well im going with what Vayu said . So if you don’t agree with what he said, i dont know what to tell ya. I like to think he would know, because for now he has shown to be a very capable person in the novel.

Anonymous

“Well, these ones do. I’ve never seen anything like it... Wait, Loh, I don’t think the raiders have seen the caravan yet. We still have a chance of getting to Aizel first, but we need to move now,” Vayu’s muscles tensed.

Amelgar

I'm highly skeptical he meant Loh and himself alone when he said that. I took the 'we' as in the army. Because he didn't object to Loh's comments about bringing battalions and rallying the troops. He would have said as much if it was necessary, since it would take more time to rally the troops.

Anonymous

Again even if he was talking about saving the caravan. There was no doubt about saving the brother. Loh is a very smart woman but through that hole conversation she was not interested in hearing anything about saving her brother. So even just that is morally incorrect in our standard.

Amelgar

Which sums up my first comment? Though I disagree with Loh being smart.

Anonymous

So your saying going in grabbing him and going out ppl will die for sure? And thinking about saving your brother is less important morally? Family is not more important for you then other ppl morally? If so then yea im wrong. That might be just me then. And you also think that her grandfather is stupid? The leader of one of most powerful family in the realm? Because he put Loh in charge of the troops. She might not be a genius , but not even smart? Did Loh make mistakes? Sure we all do.

Anonymous

Plus her brother is a noble. So saving him even if means losing some soldiers is what they would do. Do you think that her grandfather would care about losing some soldiers if it meant saving the brother? Even if he was garbage. Nvm maybe he would lol.

Amelgar

"Morally ambiguous" is the term I'd use. As I said I don't believe there is a morally correct or incorrect solution. In terms of morality, is one man's life worth more than another's? I don't believe there is an answer to that. And if it is, it isn't a universally accepted one. The smart comment was a bit of a tangent but w/e. Why do you think Loh is 'very smart'? Talented sure. But she has made a lot of questionable life decisions. Far below what I'd label as that of a smart person. And yes, I do think her grandfather is smart. I actually like the grandfather. Edit: your last comment while true, isn't what we're debating.

Anonymous

Oh ? Questionable life decisions? The hole point of why she was jealous and hateful of her brother was because she never had any life decisions . It was always controlled by her grandfather, it went to the point where she did not want to save the brother. She thought that would change things , it did , she left the family. So yes i think she is smart.

Anonymous

That is a hard one there. You are going on your personal feelings about that though. I can see it though. IF she at least tried to think of a possible solution i would agree but see did not , she just didn’t want to save her brother and in our society we would not see that as morally correct.

Amelgar

I'd disagree on her never having any life decisions. Frostbird just hasn't narrated them. She didn't just spring into existence at the first flashback (well sorta this is a work of fiction...). Not sure I understand your definition of 'smart'. But that's fine. It's a subjective term, so it's natural that we'd have a clash of opinions there. Anyway. This is a bit of a tangent from our original debate. I started it mostly because I curious about the OP's and your reasoning for finding defending of Loh repulsive. Which I found puzzling due my reasons in my first comment. My curiosity is more or less sated now so I'll be signing off. Hopefully we have a new chapter to read tomorrow :D P.S. Frostbird, thanks for the chapter!

Anonymous

Well it was fun. For some of the comments , it was not the thought of defending Loh repulsive but the thought that the brother SHOULD die, just because of his character. I also don’t understand your meaning of smart ,so yea we can’t work there. And if her being a teacher, capable leader, and possible future house lord are not enough to say she is intelligent/ smart then yea… Many smart ppl have made questionable decisions in life before. Anyway have a gn man. :D

John Grandt Markvard Høeg

#Linktro In my eyes it was morally correct. He was: A) endangering the mission. B) endangering his fellow soldiers. C) His uselessness would most likely hinder the mission in the future.

School work

Morally Loh was wrong because of her reasons. With different reasons letting Aizel die could be morally correct. It really depends on how you judge the tactical situation. Was Aizel morally right to choose the lives of the villagers over securing the trade route, and the lives of his fellow soldiers? Or was Vayu's logic about the greater good and a duty to the men they commanded morally correct? And was Aizel ignoring his grandfather, sister, and superior officer's orders morally correct? Morally was it right for Aizel ignore experts? And to what degree (if any) does this outweigh him being family? How many soldiers is it acceptable for Loh to get killed saving Aizel and these villagers? At what point does the waste of lives outweigh he life of her brother? Do the diplomats deserve to die because of Aizel? Does their failure cause a war? Does the benefits of trade save lives/betters the lives of everyone in Hollow Sahde? How many people should she be willing to let die to save her sibling from their own idiocy? Once you have an answer to all of that you have an answer to whether Loh could have morally let Aizel die and been "correct". Personally, I think Loh was morally right to ignore those villagers and thus could have had "good" reasons to let Aizel die. For instance if she decided she didn't want to waste the lives of her men, or risk the diplomats death and based her decision on those reasons (for example what if Loh was good friends with a diplomat, is it right for her to bail Aizel out and let them die). We just know that her reasons weren't about the mission or saving her soldier's lives, it was about ensuring Aizel was gone and thus clearly immoral. The irony here is that Loh enabling Aizel's blind compassion and recklessness potentially would have led to a better long term outcome if they had killed Marek, whereas the cautious tactics based around preserving their men and the greater good ends up hurting them long term....all due to random chance.

Anonymous

Lol I totally agree with you. The reasons why she let her brother die was not a logical one but an emotional one. And those emotions were hatred and jealousy, thus not morally correct. It is indeed funny how it helped Marek. I bet he was just getting started back then. I would say he is the only one to brake tradition and attack at night.