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Buffy the Vampire Slayer || 6x14 || Discussion (Patreon)

Published:
2022-07-13 18:10:59
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2022-07

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6x13: "Older and Far Away" 

Next: Angel 3x14 on Wed 7/20, taking Sat off because it is my bf's family reunion :) there are still 8 total uploads this month


OKAYYYYY WISH 2.0?? LESSGOOOO! Loveeeed this episode! Such a cool "all the characters are stuck in a house and have to ✨talk to eachother✨ but also lose their minds a little" UGH I love it.

but uhhh yeah, my poor girl Dawn.. with peace and love, please get a therapist <3

and I will not lie... Spike being jealous this episode>>>> ..I KNOW I KNOW, I am team "Buffy getting thru her trauma" first, but he is still fine as hell unfortunately, so its making it hard </3


lol hope yall enjoyyyy! :D

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Ron Fehr

If Cordy had still been on this show, I think she would have advised Dawn never to say "I wish". But maybe not, because when Anya's necklace was destroyed, everything went back to normal and Anya was no longer a vengeance demon. So Cordy wouldn't have remembered the consequences of making her wish in the first place.

Hef

The bit with Halfrek seeing Spike and saying "William?" and Spike recognizing her is interesting... The actress who played Halfrek also played Cecily, Spike's love interest when he was human (S05E07 - Fool For Love). Is this a joke about the same actress playing both roles? Or was Halfrek on a vengeance mission in the guise of Cecily when William became infatuated with her?

Hef
>>87606801

oops, my bad, I meant "justice mission" :P

Gregor

So.... that "shiny" reminded me. When or do you want to watch Firefly? Its not long and you would have very much fun. :-)

Briony Addey

Ok, so we learn some interesting stuff about Anya in this episode. She brings Hallie to Sunnydale because she considers her a friend and is inviting her to the wedding. Even though Hallie actively does evil. But Anya hasn't really actually grasped how wrong and appalling deciding to be a vengeance demon is. She, at some level, also believes they'd be more appropriately referred to as a 'justice demon'. To me, all the other bits of Anya's behaviour is understandable (her freaking out about being trapped and becoming angry with Dawn, and kinda? later on with the kleptomania reveal) but when she realises that this is Hallie, there's no acknowledgement that this is partly her fault, and definitely NOT Dawn's fault. She victim-blames Dawn. And she does it, because she's still in a kind of moral denial, where she likes to pretend that she was acting 'on behalf of' the wisher, at some level, rather than victimising the wisher. It's a weird kind of denial, because the wishes do often end up destroying the wisher entirely (Cordelia died in The Wish, and Dawn would have died here). That's why the wisher is to be despised, and that's why she's so intent on blaming her, because the consequence of the wishes has to be blamed on the wisher, and their vagueness, stupidity, vengefulness, etc etc. The wishes are, at heart, scams, and any scammer blames their victim in this way. They are quick to assign full agency to the victim, because they're trying to hide the role that their deception plays in undermining the agency of the victim. So yeah, she's clearly in really really deep denial, and hasn't really begun a process of reckoning with what she did. And like anyone in this kind of denial, she's continuing to do harm. To Dawn and everyone else in this house. I wonder if Xander clocks this....

Will

Dawn is one of my favorite characters so I'm glad you actually like her. If anything, I prefer post-dawn Buffy more than pre-dawn Buffy. In general the seasons are better, imo, but also she brings something so cool and refreshing to the story with now being someone else Buffy has to look after and bringing a sibling relationship to the show. Something we've been missing due to all of the scoobies being an only-child

that bear over there

Hallie = Cecily, who Spike was in love with, but rejected him when he was human.("You're beneath me, William.") In the Buffyverse timeline, Cecily would've actually been Hallie when Spike met her. So she would've been posing as human while she was a vengeance demon. I don't like that timeline though. I like to think that when Cecily and William first met, they were both innocents, And then something horrible befell her, and that is what turned her into a vengeance demon. And now they are meeting as demons. There's something tragic and sad about that. Like, if she just chosen William, she would never have been traumatized into becoming a vengence demon. And William would've never been on the street that night for Drusilla to bite him. It's super interesting that Hallie remembers his name 'William' all these years later. Clearly she thought of him in one way or another since that night because there is no way she should remember a random man she rejected over a 100 years ago.

Pam Nail

Tara is everything in this episode. "How's that cramp, Spike?" LOVE. I also love that we get to see Clem again. One of the great "normal" (ish) demon characters.

Ron Fehr
>>87617699

I got the feeling in Fool for Love that Cecily already knew William prior to the occurrence when she rejected him. So to me it seems possible that she could remember him, that he was not just some random man. Otherwise how could she sense that his poem was about her? Either she had a narcissistic streak or William had thoughts about her from having seen her a few times.

Rob

I wonder how Alley feels about going back and forth between Buffy and Angel. You know, like how it aired. Does it add to or subtract from the enjoyment? Curious minds want to know.

Ron Fehr
>>87633398

The guide that she uses, in my opinion, is supposed to help keep things chronological order, or at least in an order that keeps everything understandable.

Ron Fehr

Admittedly I never had to go through what Dawn went through, meaning the feeling of being left alone. If ever I was alone, it was by choice. Perhaps that's why this episode was so interesting to me.

Stacey

I think season 6 starts off so strong 6x01-6x08 are a great set of episodes after that I think the middle section gets a little rough despite 6x12 being a guilty pleasure episode of mine but 6x13 and 6x14 while not as strong imo as the start of this season are for sure the best episodes we have gotten in a while, I always think Dawn gets over hated in the fandom I do like when we get more insight into her POV

Loves Bitca

Not too surprising that Dawn has kleptomania tendencies. She was made from Buffy "I totally meant to pay for that lipstick" Summers.

Henrik Holst
>>87606801

Going by the comics she was on a "justice mission" when William became infatuated with her.

Henrik Holst
>>87617699

Or Spike was an unreliable narrator, or he just remembered it wrongly.

Sheriff Uchiha

I really don't like the Willow stuff here. The moral is "no matter how bad things get, or who's going to die. Never use magic because is a poor allegory for drugs, yet not always as Tara can use it."

Loves Bitca
>>87965548

But the thing with Willow has always been about the addiction, not just using magic. Tara can, because she's not addicted (as Willow previously supported when she ran into Tara outside the Magic Box). If all magic were presented as bad drugs, then they'd be presenting Giles as a drug dealer. It's the same way someone in AA can't drink, but that doesn't mean that their friend without a drinking problem can't.

Janel Davis
>>87965548

SPOILERS AHEAD This is exactly why season 7 pisses me off so much. As soon as it wasn't plot-convenient for Willow to be unable to ever touch magic because she's an addict, they made is so she can now use magic in tiny bits, as long as she controls herself and doesn't go overboard. Cause, you know, addicts can totally learn to control their addictions if they just try really hard 🙄