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Angel || 3x09 || Discussion (Patreon)

Published:
2022-06-01 19:06:00
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2022-06

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3x09: "Lullaby"

Next: Buffy 6x09 on Sat 6/4 ayyee happy june and pride month!


okayy.. Darla.... pls say sike rn 😥 i am so sadddd bro 😭 i love Darla, dont do this to me!!! ugh, this episode was so good too, made it hurt even worse.

we got more of holtz too this episode which is lookin to be quite interesting... and also scary 0-0 but damn, just shout out to our boy tim minear, this one was just sooooo well done. that end scene??? they dont even need to say anything for me to tear up </3

goodness.... now how the fuck we gonna continue Angel Investigations with a baby..? lil Angel Jr lmaooo

anyways, hope yall enjoy! :D

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Will

Excited for more Buffy, they're some of my favorite stretch of episodes.

Stargazer1682

Conventionally, prophecies in various myths and faiths. or works of fiction like this, are very often experienced in some altered state of mind or as a dream. So from that perspective, it makes sense that they're not that straight forward, they're not necessarily linear and can be open to interpretation. Just look at Cordelia's visions. Remember "Judgement"? She gets a vision of the woman and her protector, but misinterprets its intent; and only after Angel killed it and discovered it was good does she realize she hadn't sensed fear in the original vision. I also feel like, especially in Angel, that they give too much credit to "the Powers that Be" for the visions, or at this point anything else, when really that just started as Doyle's way of describing the ambiguous nature of how the visions come about. It quickly spread to become a catch-all; that when something of significance happens, it was "the Powers". It's practically become the basis of a religion. Sure, there would naturally be higher beings, entities that are more powerful than the average characters we know. We've even seen a hell-god on Buffy. But the problem with assigning responsibility for circumstances to unspecified beings that may or may not exist, is that you never actually know if or when, if ever something that's happened is their doing; especially if there's a chance they don't exist. If you don't know how the prophesies or visions work, how do you know they came from anywhere, to say nothing of the intent? Just look at this episode and how Gunn reasoned that the tPtB are actually stepping in to stop something evil from being born by impeding it from being born. It was a pure guess, one that might have resulted in the child's death had enough of the others been convinced by him. In my opinion - and this is just me opining - the visions, the prophesies, you name it, aren't strictly sent by some higher power, but are legitimate a Extra Sensory Perception; generated by the PERSON (Cordelia, Doyle, whomever). The subconscious would be aware of a virtually endless stream of possible event, local and remote; and the various potential outcomes; and it's the ones where their involvement lends to the best chance for success that an event is brought forward from the subconscious to the conscious mind

Stacey

This episode is probably in my top 10 if not its for sure in my top 20 of the whole series It was so well done I still cry when Darla stakes herself and I will say it again Julie Benz is so underrated as an actress she did phenomenal work during her run on Angel (RIP Darla)

Jaren

I remember the first time Darla died. You said thank God she’s dead. Now this. Lmbo I love her arc. She’s one of the most dynamic characters in the buffyverse to be honest.

angelcakes
>>85037441

the episode you're referencing is not The trial , it's Judgment :)

Koz

I really liked how in synch you were with Angel about not getting just half a miracle

Ron Fehr

I gotta disagree with Darla when she said that she wouldn't even remember that she loved their baby. Had she been able to survive, I think she would remember, but she just wouldn't be capable of those feelings anymore.

Ron Fehr

At the time that the episode aired, feelings towards Darla were probably different. She was the villain, and she was to be hated. So it would have been quite a turn to be sad about her death. One constant thing though, is that her death was sad then and now.

Koh_Kae

Of all the D names, you didn't think of David (Boreanaz) LOL.

that bear over there

To answer your questions: 1- 'why did darla kill herself?' Darla killed herself because of the love she had for her unborn child. She knew she was unable to give birth, and she also feared that if the baby did somehow survive, that she, as a soulless vampire, would ruin his life- be it killing the child, or turning it into a vampire. So the love that she felt as a mother is why she sacrifices herself. 2- why does darla say 'this is the perfect time for holtz to show up'? Darla believes that her inability to give birth to this baby is her punishment for the evils that she did to Holtz and his family. She sees it as karmic justice, and that is why it is 'perfect' that he is showing up now. In her mind, it is to remind her that she doesnt deserve happiness or love with her baby.

Mary Kate

And yeah, Angel is firing on all cylinders right now, makes it hard to leave. But Buffy S6 ... also great. I think this is my favorite Angel/Buffy combo of seasons in the run of both series.

Chris Hanley

The only tv pregnancy I've ever given a shit about. It's a bit of both with Darla killing herself, she knew she had nothing to offer the baby. On the one hand, she knew she wouldn't be capable of love without the baby's soul, and on the other hand the baby was dying and she didn't want that. It was her redemption moment, and by god it's the best redemption arc I've ever seen on tv. It was sad to see Darla go, but as they say always leave them wanting more. Also the whole "there will be no birth, only death" is a bit of a nod to Shakespeare which had a similar prophecy.

Matthew O'Hare

I hate that Darla had to die, but you can't deny that the twists and turns with her character is some exciting and unpredictable storytelling.