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Tserriednich

what a suprise loved the movie

Ninaofthe90s

Another fantastic movie and number 8 on my list of my favorite movies of the last decade. I've loved it more and more over the years. I'm gonna watch it now, so I don't know if you noticed yet but the main actor who plays Caleb is called Domhnall Gleeson and he's the son of Brendan Gleeson (In Bruges), he was also in Star Wars and Dredd. He looks so much like him in my opinion.

Drew

Everything Alex Garland does is excellent. Annihilation is also a must watch.

Ninaofthe90s

Nathan is the hero of the movie!? Ava is BY FAR my favorite character and the hero!! 👍👍 She's the true genius in all of this. Nathan got what he deserved. This is what happens when you try to play god. Or actually believe that you are god. He's a narcissistic fool. Of course he's the villain of the movie. I don't think the ending is depressing at all! This movie doesn't wanna tell you that artificial intelligence is wrong. It tells you that you don't play god and even Ava can have feelings and deserves to live. She learned a lot from Nathan, how to use power. And of course she's gonna use it against him. So he might be a technical genius. But he failed when it comes to recognizing emotion and actually believes that he has power over others. That makes him a fool. Even if she played both of them. No one is coming to that house by the way. They made that pretty clear in the movie. So Caleb is basically dead. If you wanna know who the Turing test is named after, I suggest you watch "The Imitation Game" a movie about Alan Turing, played by Benedict Cumberbatch ❤

JimmyMacram

Did you really just leave the fact that she basically killed Caleb (after playing him for a sucka) until the end? 😒😂

Ninaofthe90s

Yes. I said Nathan actually gave her the power to manipulate. If you create a being that can feel and have a desire to be free and think you can do whatever you want with your creation, the that' abuse. She basically just did what he taught her. Caleb was just a poor sucker that got caught in the middle of it

Anonymous

Scary shit. Reminds me of this person of interest scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK3awF0DYkw#t=04m58s it is tricker when it has a body and facial expressions and can manipulate you. I fell for the damsel in distress routine just like Caleb.

Ninaofthe90s

I don't excuse Caleb's death at all 😂 I said that this is not Ava's doing- it's Nathans. Yes Caleb is also a victim here. But Nathan was the one that used him. He gave Ava her power and then he's actually surprised she uses it (including using it against him) - because he thinks he's some sort of god that can't be touched by his own creation. He's the one who caused all of this. Did you forget about Finch destroying his creation over and over and ignoring that the machine developed way more than he thought. It actually cared about Finch and and the rest of the team. It became more than just a machine and Harold was the one who taught her how to behave. It's important what you teach "her". But does Person of interest teach you that it's wrong to create an A.I-? No it doesn't and neither does Ex Machina 😉

JimmyMacram

Of course it's her fault. If she has consciousness, then she knows right and wrong... And it's her call. Nathan isn't anymore responsible for her behavior (towards Caleb) than a parent would be. Yes, the child picked up shitty habits from a shitty parent...but that doesn't make it the parent's actions by proxy. ...unless we actually consider her 1 (or some version of a child)...then I guess it would be 🤔...but that's a different discussion altogether.

Ninaofthe90s

but Ava isn't human. He might gave her a consciousness and emotion but she is not human. Even though Nathan created her in his own image. He gave her his consciousness . He didn't teach her what is right and what is wrong. Because he doesn't know it himself. In his mind he is god, he might simply called himself her father but in his mind he is more than that. Which means he is allowed to do anything. He abused her and put her in a cage. This is why the ending is so incredibly satisfying. Again my comparison to person of interest.

Ninaofthe90s

I also recommend the video "EX MACHINA ANALYSIS - Deception and Replacement" I'm not sure I can explain more than that. My english is pretty exhausted at this point 😂😂

JimmyMacram

Haha, your English is fine. ☺️ You explained it fine, we just disagree. Ava may not know right from wrong, but she knows good from bad. Either she has consciousness, which in that case, she fucked Caleb over. Or she's just a machine, in which case, Nathan should keep her locked up. I find it hard to have it both ways. Side note: Obviously, if I HAD to pin this all on one person, Nathan stands pretty much alone (in case I wasn't clear on that lol) I shall see if this video convinces me otherwise.

Cadmus Lochlan

Jimmy, have you seen the movie Tombstone?

Cadmus Lochlan

darn, I just recently seen it for the first time and loved it. Was hoping it could be on a poll. Well time to find another western to suggest.

Ninaofthe90s

Ava is not human, but she is also more than just a machine. She does what Nathan programmed her to do. This isn't the same as a child learning good or bad right or wrong. A machine first learns what she is programmed to do. He also created her desire to be free, and he used Caleb for that. He also viewed himself as invunerable. Caleb on the other hand mostly likes Ava because he sexualises her. Which is part of the reason why she was created in the first place. which is something Ava notices throughout. Suggesting that she doesn't trust his intentions. Which also makes Caleb partly responsible. The relationship between ava, nathan and finch, the machine is very similar. Except the machine developed a protective feeling for Harold. First the machine only cared about him. Finch had to teach her to care about everyone. He taught her right and wrong. This is part of the reason why the machine is viewed as a character. Not a human being and not just a machine but a character. And root was the one who wanted the machine to be free. Even though finch wanted to deny the machine her freedom he didn't see himself as some kind of invincible god. Or let's say as a person with a god complex. Which in the end proved to be Nathan's downfall. In some ways he has similarities with dr. Frankenstein. He deserved everything that was coming to him and saying he was the hero of this movie is in my opinion just wrong. 😉 But I'm doing my absolute best in trying to accept your opinion 😂😂

Light Yagami

Ava is definitely the villain of this movie I remember watching this when it came out and it took me a while to get over the ending

Ninaofthe90s

well that's better than nothing. I very much appreciate that😂😂😂

Selin

I feel like Nathan and Ava are the villains of this movie and Caleb was the unfortunate dude who ended up in the cross fire of it all. Nathan was a horrible person and pushed Ava into a corner where she felt she had to take desperate measures to survive, but the fact she leaves Caleb behind shows us she also lacks empathy and is fine with using others for her own ends. I’m also curious on what is the next film you’re planning to react to?

aleph-0

Just got around to your reaction Jimmy. Glad to see that you picked up Ava smiling at the end when leaving the building. Garland said it's one of the most important parts of the film that almost nobody picked up on because it showed that she was genuinely self-aware and didn't just use Caleb as a means of escape. He didn't see her as the villain of the movie.