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I'm just copy/pasting this from the recent upload to have it in a publicly accessible post. There is a tl;dr at the bottom for people that don't want to read the whole wall of text.


First note to make is that I will be removing a lot of content from this Patreon soon, and sadly I will not be allowed to direct you all to where it has to move to. Since it has to be removed from Patreon, it cannot be linked to from Patreon. Those are the rules and I have to follow them. I will begin removing the content in probably a few hours, because it will be a lengthy process due to a lack of bulk post removal tools, and I have to get something else done before I can start on that.

I want to start my next points by pointing out that I do not entirely blame Patreon for what is happening. Patreon has always been helpful and understanding in these situations, and as someone that has tried getting other payment processing options for my own private platforms, I know how inhibiting the restrictions are from the big three - PayPal, Visa, and MasterCard. In Patreon's case these restrictions are almost always PayPal enforcement. PayPal forces Patreon to follow certain sets of rules, and if Patreon curbs the line even a little bit, PayPal will shut down their ability to process payments. It's happened between them a few times in the past already, so it's no idle threat.

Now onto how this impacts me. I received a more prompt response from Patreon than expected, and now have confirmation that there are no issues with Emotion Sickness. With the emoticlones all looking so similar to Raven I wanted to make sure this wasn't treading on some grey line of the rule they're hitting me with, but have been directly told that it is not an issue. As such Emotion Sickness will continue without issue; however, my other content is not so lucky.

To summarize what is happening, I have to remove all content containing incest. I was under the impression that my content was safe, because previous interactions seemed to indicate that so long as there was no direct statements or context within the content itself that had incestuous implications, that it was not considered content that glorified incest. This also coincided with interactions I have had with payment processors in the past, since while it's obvious when there's a portrayal of something like bestiality, the processors themselves are typically not in a position where they have to assess that two fictional characters are related if the content does not state as such. This is why my comics here never made comments about relations, and I have been deleting user comments that made remarks about incest. I was previously put under the impression that if I did not discuss it in the comics, and did not allow user interactions to implicate it, that it was effectively not an issue that existed as far as this platform is concerned.

I have now been made aware this is no longer the way things can be interpreted on Patreon. They are looking at the entire context as a whole, which includes implications of original canon. This means Dipper and Mabel is not okay, because canon says they are related, but Raven and emoticlones are okay, because there is no canon that makes them relatives, despite them visually looking nearly identical, far more than Dipper and Mabel do.

What this means moving forward is that Emotion Sickness will continue, but Bawdy Falls will have to be dropped. This is upsetting for me, as I had a lot of fun ideas I was looking forward to doing now that Wendy was going to be more involved, but my hands are tied. I can say with almost complete certainty though that I will be replacing it with Star vs Evil, which I know I said a while ago that I was planning to do anyway. Since SvE didn't necessarily win the polling before I was going to begin doing some random shorts with it on occasion after the current scene of Emotion Sickness, because I didn't want to add a third ongoing comic to my list. However, now that other work must be cancelled, I will be escalating it to something more ongoing. This will likely begin immediately after the current scene of Emotion Sickness is concluded.

tl;dr: Patreon, likely under order from PayPal, is requiring me to remove all content containing incest. I will begin doing so within a few hours. I cannot link or direct to anywhere I move the content to, as that would also be in violation of the rules. I don't like it, but that's how it is. I have verified that Emotion Sickness is safe with the current scene, as emoticlones may look rather identical, but they are not relatives in canon so they're safe. Bawdy Falls, however, will have to be canceled as a result of this. I will most likely be replacing it with a Star vs Evil comic once the current scene of Emotion Sickness is complete.

Comments

Derek Giinthir

So you can’t say where it’ll go, but can you say IF it’ll go?

incognitymous

Yes, because I'm allowed to at least inform my patrons that I have to remove my content, because otherwise the page will be flooded with far more questions of people asking where it went.

Mathew Reyes

Do you have a Twitter? Couldn’t you just post updates there without directly linking the updates here and just leave your Twitter link in your profile? I don’t wanna sound like a dick, but I’ll probably cancel my patreon cause I was only here for BF… I’m sorry but your other content just isn’t my thing, I hope I don’t sound rude.

Anonymous

I wonder how other content creators get away with having links to other websites where they keep all of the content against Patreon ToS. Maybe the rule is just you cannot say "Go HERE for all of my against-ToS content" but "Here is where I keep my content archive" is fine? Food for thought. Either way I am sad you got hit with this.

Anonymous

Well this is a shit situation. Having been a supporter for a good while now I’m well aware of the hassles you’ve been dealing with on the past with processors. Though I don’t know if this has to be an absolute end to BF, however I would think it requires a long hiatus until the situation were to change. I may elaborate further sone other time but until then, this be the reality of things.

trollmahn

Double up. if you open a subscribestar, I would happily switch to that. Keep Patreon for more vanilla stuff.

Anonymous

That's very sad to hear I'm hoping you'll be able to continue BF at a later date but I understand completely that you have to abide by the guidelines. Here's looking to the future bud.

Tankard

Dude. Jump platforms. I'd follow you over to Substar.

Anonymous

I’m sad to see BF go I really loved the series and wanted to see what happened next I loved that you put my comment in there too. No matter what I’ll still support you

Anonymous

I really hope you’ll someday change your mind and continue BF somewhere else, it’s my favorite of your content. Terrible situation all around.

incognitymous

The issue is that if I jump platforms, I instantly lose everyone here that uses payment options the other platform doesn't have access to. For example, I know SubscribeStar did not bend to PayPal before, so it cannot accept PayPal or Stripe. I also know that due to legal complications they also had to drop crypto. The reason I use Patreon is because for the sake of my own financial security, I need to use a platform that toes the line. Platforms that are somehow able to circumvent restrictions enforced by the banks are much higher risk of one day being shut down. Heck, when this situation happened to me the first time with Patreon, I created a website with its own payment processor, and that was swiftly shut down by Visa/MasterCard, as well as my ability to get another payment processor.

unspiek

Bawdy Falls is arguably Incognitymous' very best work. This is sad news indeed.

Anonymous

Could you make a post on your homepage where it goes?

Beep boop

I'm willing to migrate for Bawdy Falls alone. It is by FAR your best work and THE best porn comic I've ever read bar none.

Double Dipper

Will there still be a way to download the bawdy falls? I haven't done so yet and I've been here since you started the series.

waketab

things like this are why people are migrating to subscribe-star. I am glad you are taking this well. but I am sad to hear one of my favorite comics is cancelled.

Double Dipper

Also, is there a reason you don't just move to subscribestar for all of your work? I'm subbed on there too.

Savio

Maybe you could take Bawdy Falls to Subscribe Star, at least, if they won't make a fuss about that kinda content. Here, you can place erotic material, where the characters are not related to each other. What you also could do, is to take Bawdy Falls to your own site.

Vandestris

Any chance to see Bawdy Falls continued on subscribe-star? It was one of my favs.

Zezo_nsfw

Could you not just continue but not have dipper and mable habe sex with each other just let mable have sex with pasifica and wendy and dipper only pasifica and wendy

Anonymous

Can you do a side story with Wendy being a cam girl you could use her as a character to bring in cameo shorts. Like have her bring guests on her cam shows from your other stuff. Me personally I would like to see her with Kim Possible

Anonymous

Can you just put all the rule breaking stuff on subcribstar? You don't necessarily have to stop the ideas you had about B-falls and other projects. Still it suck about patron. Good luck will be looking forward for whatever you decide 👍🏾

Nonashu

As someone who initially came here and is here for Bawdy Falls, does that just mean I’m fucked?

incognitymous

I could not do that. If I have a Twitter page that has content not allowed on Patreon, it cannot be linked to Patreon in any way. It can neither link to Patreon, nor be linked to from Patreon. And I fully understand if it means you will be ending your patronage if you're here for BF. I don't personally wish to stop BF here, but at this point I don't have a say in the matter. Hopefully I can regain your interest with the project that I replace it with.

incognitymous

They get away with it by not being reported yet. If you reported those creators today they'd likely have an email within a couple weeks telling them to remove it all.

incognitymous

Yeah, I've dealt with this type of situation pretty much every year now for the last 5+ years in one way or another. I wish it didn't have to be an absolute end to BF, but that's the most likely outcome. I kept it going as something to maintain this Patreon page with, so if I can't run it here that means I have to replace it with something else, which doesn't give me the time to just do it for free on the side elsewhere.

incognitymous

Thanks. I'm also sad to have to end BF, because I have a lot of ideas noted down, and I was really looking forward to having fun with it in the following scenes. There was a lot I had in mind for once Wendy was added into the fray. I just have to hope the next thing is a worthy replacement.

incognitymous

The issue is that I only have so much time in the week to do Patreon work, so if I can't do it on Patreon, then I have to replace said Patreon comic with another Patreon legal comic. So yeah, indeed a terrible situation all around.

incognitymous

It's quickly become a very fun one to work on as well, so I'm definitely sad to have to drop it.

incognitymous

I cannot, as that would be considered linking to it, which is not allowed if it cannot be hosted here.

incognitymous

The biggest issue there is a lack of safe options I could migrate it to. If there were a safe and viable Patreon alternative that isn't bogged down by as many regulations then you can bet I'd be moving it there.

incognitymous

The issue with relying solely on platforms like SubscribeStar is that they're a high risk platform due to what they allow. Sites like that are always at high risk of being cut off from payment networks, so they're less safe as a consideration for a sole means of income.

John Lowry

Damn, I was here only for Bawdy Falls.

Fallen Warrior

How about put the content on Discord? Like you don't have to link it in the patreon post. Just post an info tell patreon said the comic is update. And we will go check the pages on your Discord?

Phantom

I'm ganna miss BF, in my appinion it's the best comic by far...I really hope it will continue somewhere else like subscribestar but nomatter what happens I'll still support your work on any site.

Sagitorez

I am sad that gravity falls comic is being put on hold 😔, but hearing news of Svtfoe content does give me hope. I know you are a great artist of comics and can't wait to see this new project to come. 🤩💕

Anonymous

I believe that what an artist does with their work is their own business and we should support the craft... I will say thou, the reactions to what's happening to that work and the amount of love people have towards it should speak volumes.

incognitymous

The issue I'm currently facing is that I view an option like Patreon, due to the way it is more obedient to the financial institutions, as a more stable platform to use. Sure, situations like this can arise, but it's far less likely that Patreon will be shut down completely for the content they allow. I've personally witnessed a handful of would-be alternatives be shut down by the heads of the global payment network, as well as my own past attempt to use a private domain with my own payment system. While using this platform means it's more likely that I'll have to follow more stringent rules to stay in line, that makes it far less likely that I could abruptly lose my income completely. That aside, I really do enjoy working on Bawdy Falls, and was really looking forward to resuming it later, so I will most likely continue considering my options as time goes on.

incognitymous

I wouldn't say there's a very high chance of that, but I really do enjoy working on it, so there is a chance I could look into options in the future for resuming it. The issue with that is I would pretty much have to put this Patreon page on hold in order to come up with the time to do so.

incognitymous

The issue is that the comic would still be affiliated with the past pages, so I'd have to start a new Gravity Falls comic entirely.

incognitymous

I could indeed do more Gravity Falls content, but it could not be directly be related to Bawdy Falls, and it would not be allowed to have any sexual interactions between Dipper and Mabel.

incognitymous

The issue with that is that even if I put it there, it's not like I'd be able to do much else with the content unless I put this Patreon page on hold, which I wouldn't really be able to directly state why, because I wouldn't be able to direct people to content that is not allowed on this platform.

incognitymous

Sorry about that. I'm sure many people are in the same situation, but at this point my hands are tied.

incognitymous

That wouldn't be allowed. If Patreon told me to remove something, and I pulled a move like that, it would be a surefire way to get myself banned.

incognitymous

It had quickly become my favorite comic to work on on this platform, so I'm definitely going to miss it as well.

incognitymous

Yeah, I'm also sad about it having to be put aside, as I really did enjoy it, but I am also hoping that maybe I can do something with the SvE characters that feels as fun to work on. I don't feel SvE was nearly as good a show of Gravity Falls, but it does at least have a wide enough range of characters that it could be as fun to work with.

incognitymous

That is true; the amount of love people have towards BF is what makes it so hard to consider that I have to end it. I also personally really enjoyed working on it, and have a lot of ideas noted that I was really hoping to get to with it. Sadly that may never come now, but I'll definitely be considering alternative options to make it happen.

Anonymous

Well this sucks like everyone here I really enjoyed BF. Regardless I support you in whatever you do regarding this issue you are one of if not my favorite artist, once again I'll support you in whatever you decide to just keep one of your hands on the drawing table and the other in your pants. Good luck 👍🏾

Animeplayer

You will need to open a SS sooner or later. Patreon is becoming less and less about the creators. Plus, it's best to have alternatives open, I have seen OnlyFans open up another alternative because of what happened earlier.

Magrittefan

Other fans on here have more openly mentioned another publishing site to which I know you, ahem, subscribe. Assuming that BF is your intellectual property, would you be allowed to move it, lock, stock and barrel, to that other site to maintain continuity and to keep the story accessible? If so, would you be forbidden from giving any hints here that you had done exactly this? I'm sure that many of your followers (me included) would follow you there, it's obvious from all the support that BF is popular; and some of us might actually continue to follow you here too, money permitting, certainly if you bring the same kind of saucy humour to SVTFOE as you have to your other work.

Magrittefan

Update: I have now read *all* the comments, including your replies to them (serves me right for not clicking on "load more comments") and can now better appreciate your dilemma. Have you considered how Pixiv Fanbox might work? An artist who is well known for his (often incestuous) Loud House drawings and comics puts the more contentious pages - the ones that might need censoring - into a link to a file storage site and then provides that link to his followers on PF. Not ideal - choosing a tolerant upload service is crucial - but it avoids exactly the problem you have encountered.

ScarletIce

It's something of a constant revolving door of platforms from what I understand. The trend seems to be that new platforms welcome all legal content in the beginning, and then start to become stricter and stricter as they grow larger. Unless SS has some plan in place to deal with the eventual crackdown from payment processors, there's no reason to believe they won't eventually start banning content as well. It really sucks, but until someone comes up with a way to be able to stay in business without the support of the big 3 payment processors, creators will continue to be forced to either stop making certain content, or continue to deal with changing platforms sporadically.

PRS3245

Man. I always forget how horrible PayPal can be. Your Gravity Falls comic was such a good run and it's a shame that we have to end it here. I I am happy that emotional sickness will continue running and I'm also happy to hear that you'll be starting up the SVTFOE comic in its place, but I just wish it wasn't under the circumstances. But still, this is understandable and I don't want your platform to be compromised because of this.

Tombfyre

Crappy deal, but ce la vie.

Dante

I still liked you after all this years because of Ben 10 stuff. But cancelling Bawdy Falls is the last straw. I understand is not your choice, but you know you don't HAVE to cancel it when you can continue them in other sites, you know where. Well, fuck this shit.

Anonymous

Can you go back and change any mention of sister to friend (in Bawdy Falls)?

Stormchaser007

The problem is the original content's association of characters, not the parody comics associations, as I believe I read in the wall of text.

Anonymous

I don't know when we're going to be able to put these moralizing payment platforms in their place.

Anonymous

I do hope we see some sort of conclusion to GF, some way.

Savio

Is it an idea to have other projects, besides Stars Of Evil and Teen Titans? I know that Ben 10 (cousins &amp; granddad) is also out of the question here. There are loads of other comics/games where you can choose from, e.g. Lilo &amp; Stitch, Kim Possible, Harry Potter. As long that the family members don't make out together, they won't see any problems in that, do they. The most important thing is, that you really feel that it's right to work on that. Maybe you can use your own site for the things that they don't allow here. There you could continue Bawdy Falls.

incognitymous

I was actually already falling in line and doing that, which is why Bawdy Falls never had any mention of brother or sister, and all past comics had already been edited to remove any mention of such relations.

incognitymous

Likely never. All we can do is hope that one day the credit card companies are hit with something like basic utility regulations so that they cannot deny usage unless user activity is illegal. I doubt such a thing will ever happen though, as they have enough money to control too much legislation.

incognitymous

Lilo &amp; Stitch would be out for reasons related to bestiality and underage characters. Kim Possible would be out for the underage character reason, although characters could easily be aged up, so it's an option. Harry Potter is one I'm simply not interested in, and even if I were I wouldn't do content that had real actors anyway, especially if the characters were played by underage actors.

Savio

I only give some examples, there are loads of other possibilities, like one of the superheroes (like Superman, X-Men, Supergirl, Justice League and I think that you could come up with more like these), Tomb Raider, Mission Impossible, Alita: Battle Angel. All these are only examples. Please explore the possibilities and not the impossibilities. If your going to look at the Disney Characters, most of them are underage, although when I think of Aladinn or Tarzan, that should be ok. Hercules or The Hunchback Of Notre Dame, they should be fine too. Please remember that I only can come with examples. In the end, it's you who will decide what you're going to make, not me.

InsaneBrain

Hey, sorry to see you get blasted by Patreon. I've been following you on your site for a while and thought now would be the time to sign up and support you.

Adrin Longshadow

Man, f*^&amp; PayPal. They advertise themselves as some sort of easy, secure medium, and then they go policing content creators. I love all the tiff about "incest" when it doesn't even involve real people, but strictly fictional characters in strictly fictional places. My god, it's a kind of fun that literally isn't hurting anyone and the "tHiNk Of ThE cHiLdReN" types are at it again. If I can find you on some other star-base, I'll follow you there, too. I love your style and work.

Joseph Tome

I'm very sorry to hear of these latest developments. I've been a great admirer of your work for several years now, particularly your renditions of Ben 10 and WonderLoli, and the thoroughly enjoyable Bawdy Falls comic that was available here. This is yet another blow struck by the moralizing do-gooders who have nothing better to do than police the minds and desires of others. I once enjoyed a very enjoyable and informative conversation with you at Discord. If you do happen to find another platform where your more controversial work can be displayed, I do hope you'll find a way to let your fans (among whom I am the most fervent) know. I'd go there in a heartbeat. I simply can never get enough of your art and the delightfully wicked mind that inspires the same.

incognitymous

Yeah, it's a pain, but this is far from the first time I've been hit by something like this, so I'm pretty used to it by now. It's still rather stressful though when it happens, as I know it's going to eat up time getting things in order. I definitely appreciate the support though, so welcome aboard.

incognitymous

Yeah, I agree it's messed up that they do these things, especially when these companies themselves complain about regulations that affect them. The issues with fictional incest content are especially silly in my opinion, because incest is actually a term that is not intrinsically defined but rather defined by law, and by definition requires the interaction to be done between people (fictional characters are not people), and that the two be too closely related as defined by statute (which again fictional characters cannot qualify as).

incognitymous

Sadly if I did use another platform to host content I could not direct to it from here, as the requirements for not uploading the content here also apply to not linking or directing to it. These rules apply equally to any site or service that I link to from this page, so I can't even direct to a page that could direct to it. There would literally be no way to let fans know, at least not via communications through this platform.

Not Zone-tan

Dang that rely sucks I love the Mabel content.

Not Zone-tan

Maybe it's possible to make content that doesn't involve Mabel with Dipper and just make up an Original character, and have Dipper and Wendy be the main rule34 pairing

Not Zone-tan

And well there's always more Raven and Starfire, and maybe more Zone-Tan or somethinh new like... Genshin Impact characters would be cool, and Genshin is popular now too