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The Omegaverse: Male Pregnancy In Romance (Patreon)

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2020-03-30 05:23:16
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2022-01

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This was.... Interesting.

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The Omegaverse: Male Pregnancy In Romance

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Anonymous

I can't believe you you are covered A/B/O Dom. Bless... P.S the daddy punch has been the highlight of my week.

Anonymous

Wow! I knew this had made its way over to japanese yaoi manga, but I didn't know it was also in "legit" (ymmv?) western fiction too. I certainly didn't expect it to pop up here! From the fanfic I've come across there are always still women around (because they use an existing setting) and the alphas can even sometimes be the oppressed class (e.g. seen as too animalistic/inreliable/violent etc). Though that's much less often, that I've seen, at least based on the summaries on Ao3. It's not really my jam most of the time but I won't deny having found some I liked. Can't wait to see what these books are about and what you make of them.

Courtney Rayle

Very nice to see you attempting stuff out of your comfort zone. Most people don’t/can’t do that. Kudos. A few notes, (mostly to get some feedback from others here if they are so inclined, because I’d like to know if others have had similar experiences with this). So... I have found that the ABOverse stuff tends to be not so much a LGBTQ+ thing. All my gay friends regard it as one of those things dominated by straight people who want to appear like they are supporting queers, but really they want to foster a heteronormative lifestyle into the mix. The fact that so many stories have two guys raising kids in what would be a hetero way if the “weaker/fem” one was actually female is what many complain about. I grant this is not a sampling of the entire LGBTQ+ community, but... yeah, all the people I’ve met who are into ABOverse have been straight females. (Kind of comparable to Amish Romance stories not being for the Amish.) Also, I’ve noticed this is one of the fav writing genres (is it a genre? Setting? Whatever you want to define it as) of younger people, specifically people very in love with the idea of romance and little effort involved, which you did touch on. The “nature made them do it” aspect is the same as any other forced pairing trope (sex pollen, soulmates, soulmarks, timers, etc). It just seems like an easy way to forced characters to pair up without having to do character development. A quick aside... I know there are some men who fantasize about being able to get pregnant and give birth, but the overwhelming majority of people who fantasize male pregnancy is women. So, again, not an LGBTQ+ thing. The thing that particularly turns me off the whole thing is the same as turns me off rape and non-con stuff, which is the excuse that “well, YOU forced me to do this” and victim blaming of a sort. I know there are other ways of writing it, but I’ve seen it played that way, or “well, you can’t fight biology,” and I think this is also what turns off pretty much all my gay friends as well (and my bi and poly friends too). They don’t like being stereotyped as “we just love sex with whoever all the time.” So, uh, yeah, it can be a problem for many. In summary, calling this something made by the LGBTQ community for the LGBTQ community rubs me the same way many people were saying 50 Shades was proper BDSM by someone who understood BDSM... or similar to using the argument that if something is lesbian smut, it must have been written by lesbians, for lesbians.

Skemono

Humans with animal traits, gay sex, mpreg... so it's basically the Sex Pistols manga, then?

Anonymous

Ah I know this stuff from manga. It is not always erotic, but most of the time and it was confusing. But hey, the human fantasy can be very interesting. :D I didn't know that this exists in the book world too.

Elizabeth Sullivan-Burton

I think this was a pretty good analysis overall, but I think there are a couple of points to bear in mind (this is from my perspective as a gay woman who has been in fandoms that LOVE this trope). The primary audience for A/B/O has generally been women, not men, and I would argue that it started as straight women writing about it to boot, although the trope has been heavily adopted outside that demographic. I'm certainly not going to say that gay men don't read A/B/O, but I'm prepared to say that it's *not* the primary demographic. I think the concept of heat/scent/aphrodisiac that's pretty crucial to A/B/O plays a role in that. A lot of women are very heavily socialized that having any sexual desire is bad, so there's a pretty significant appeal for *fantasy* situations where nature gives you no choice but to be 100% turned on. (This does *not* mean that the same people would approve of or try to excuse sexual assault in real life--but I do believe that's a big part of the appeal for many women specifically.) That said, one interesting thing with A/B/O in general is that as its matured, it's often become a way to explore issues of both gender and queerness in fiction. Omegas are often used to represent women in the real world; it's common to read fanfictions where access to contraception is limited or where omegas face unconscious discrimination at work. In addition, many stories that are heavier on the plot than the smut will lean heavily into explorations of how to handle consent in an A/B/O setting--mirroring the way our own world still has a lot of issues with how we think about and handle consent. Also, from the queer side, there are still expectations in the A/B/O universe, and not all people within them want to fall into the standard gender dynamics. I've seen some very interesting stories written where alpha-alpha pairings or omega-omega pairings face discrimination or assumptions (e.g. usually alpha-alpha pairings are assumed to be unstable because they'd fight for dominance, while omega-omega pairings often aren't taken seriously or are seen as 'just practice for the right alpha to come along').

Anonymous

You went there. You really want there. I'm both scared and very proud of you. Mostly proud.

Anonymous

I have never understood this genre. Mostly my brain just asks: but...what about the women? Can they impregnate a man if they are a so called "alpha"? I'm not judging anyone who likes it, I just think it's kinda strange and not really for me.

Paul ferancik

Wow. For the first time since you started this show, I found I can’t finish one of your videos. I applaud you for diving into this type of literature but... I can’t. This is not my kink and I just can’t. Looking forward to your next one. You’re more open minded than I am.

Anonymous

You keep introducing me to new worlds and I love it.

Alysha L

I am so happy you did this topic!

Courtney Rayle

So, asked some of my LGBTQ+ friends on their opinions (I’m Ace myself, so part of that, but certainly not directly in the know). Here’s some things already brought up that you REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER. Like, please, because you’re headed for some very bad places if you don’t acknowledge some of this. From a trans friend: “I have so so many opinions on ABO, I can't even begin to tell you here. I read a fascinating article about mpreg that suggested the genre was attempting to replace folks with wombs to a misogynistic degree and lands somewhere in the completely transphobic and trans-exclusory realm.” From an Ace friend who works closely with many LGBTQ+ people: “ Yeahhhhh it grosses me out because it's definitely super heteronormative with a thin veneer of Gay on top, and then there's the pregnancy kink....nope. It definitely comes across as people thinking that a relationship is only 'real' if one of them is 'the woman' and can bear their children. It's similar to how I can't watch/read 99% of Japanese yaoi or BL, because almost overwhelmingly there is a 'man' and a 'woman' even though they're both dudes, and the 'woman' is usually shorter and has to be coerced into sex.”

Courtney Rayle

More for you to consider. This from one of my gay friends who is older and well-versed in both the internet and the story of gay rights and such (seriously, he and his husband are awesome). A quick note, we were discussing mechanics of vaginal versus anal sex and how 99% of the “gay” stuff out there gets it more than 100% wrong, so that’s where some of this comment is aimed: “ I have a lot of opinions. The answer to “Who is writing this?” usually provides clarity. I also read a lot of webcomics. There is a big difference between the way gay men write porn and women write slash, BL, yaoi and M/M romance. Guys who write M/M romance are bound to the romance formula. The good writers find a way to make it work. Most don’t. Some women do get inside the heads of their male characters, create plausible dudes with gay motivations, and handwave the mechanics vaguely enough to avoid getting it wrong (or research). But then there’s yaoi’s glowing cones of light. I remember one description of explicit slash, that said it was “two strapping twenty-something men making love like a pair of middle-aged vanilla lesbians.” This whole ABOverse thing is weird. It doesn’t help that it’s based on discredited psychological models. Adopting the language and philosophy of Men’s Rights Activists seems pretty weird to me. I understand who the audience for BL, yaoi, slash and M/M are. I don’t understand who this audience even is.”

Anonymous

I am very happy that you did a video on this topic. As some one who was read a few of these type of stories I think you were spot on with most of what you said about the genre. I really enjoyed the video. I’m going to have to check out both of these books thank you for the recommendation.

Uniqueapplepie
>>34414414

I would never try to push you into something you are not interested in but to answer your question, depending on how much world building is done, the answer can vary from they are always omegs (justifications range from simple that just how it is to there was some kind of species ending event and omega men evolved to increase the population) to universes were alpha women exist and can impregnate omega men (this is usually with a physiological set up similar to female hyenas whos females also have knots) though the later is very rare in general the topic leans very mlm so how women fit in in an alpha sense isnt usually explored.

Anonymous

Thank you so so much for being so respectful of all the things you addressed in the video. As a fanfiction writer and a budding author I was sweating hardcore going into this one because, well, public opinion isn't kind.

Anonymous
>>34404127

Honestly, most abo fans are queer in some way, yeah, is not usually a cis gay thing, but a lot of queer women, nb people and trans men I've meet actually enjoy those types of fics, so maybe don't say "is not really an lgbtq thing" when you mean "is not a cis gay men thing"

Anonymous

While it may not be your cup of tea, some of the books by Megan Derr are really enjoyable. The High Kings Golden-Tounge is, to me, the best book she’s written. Although I do enjoy a few others. Like the Omegaverse ones, one of the aspects to them that I love is the acceptance. They have a very interesting take on living trans. And honestly, there’s very minimal sex which is fine with me because I don’t read them for that I read them because I love the stories.

Anonymous

As a cis straight lady who some times enjoys a/b/o fanfics.... It honestly never occurred to me that anyone was writing these stories with a male reader in mind! I mean, I like it, but I can admit it's pretty problematic at times- nothing I've read seems to have much to do with actually human men (of any sort) that I've met. It's always sort of seemed like a female fantasy "what if men had to deal with what I deal with?"

Anonymous

After watching your video, I may or may not have ended up buying the entire Hobson Hills Omegas series. I have zero regrets.