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[Salvos] 426. Her Domain (Removed for KU) (Patreon)

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2022-08-15 09:20:13
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2022-08-19 18:28:35
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(Removed for KU)

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Anonymous

Thanx for the chapter. Hey I'm first.

Isley

good chappie

ErrebanRrereban

Lol. I get that she's a pride demon and all...and this is Def in character, but holy shit girl just kill him. She's gonna break the boots by accident isn't she, dear lord. I hope Edithe smacks some sense into her.

Alexey Gladkich

Interesting that for a demon finding out that Salvos is a Demon is even more shocking than for a human.

Anonymous

Anyone else think Avaritia's grand skill ended way too abruptly? Also seriously, why compete with the treasures specifically at the end... this fight should've ended this chapter, right after or as soon as the guys' GS ran out.

Alexey Gladkich
>>89630240

It was explained in the previous chapter that using these OP skills is very draining on him. After all, each of these skills is like a Grand Skill. He tried to squeeze too much juice and it popped.

Anonymous
>>89630240

How long their GS can last can be shaped any way Melas wants it. I'm not asking for an explanation, I'm asking if anyone else thought it was too abrupt. All that power suddenly dips out in the middle of the chapter, and Salvos doesn't even immediately kill him after it? I would've much preferred him trying to use too many skills and dying from the strain instead of his skill just suddenly and boringly ending like this.

Alexey Gladkich
>>89630240

If the Demon were to die from strain then such situations should've been presented in the story way before that. It's not the first time we see someone overstrain themselves.

InfernalDrake
>>89630240

It ended specifically because Salvos pulled him into the pocket dimension. That Grand Skill pulled from the fear of those around it to create and sustain itself. But Salvos doesn’t fear Regnorex.

Anonymous
>>89630240

@InfernalDrake That's not at all what happened and is just your own made up assumption.

Anonymous

I feel like Avaritia is going to die as his final act of "redemption" instead of joining the cast of companions, which is a shame. He's far more likeable than Belzu imo. That's not to say Belzu is a poor addition, he's just no Avaritia.

Alexey Gladkich
>>89630240

In terms of meta reasons, I think MelasD just wants Salvos to chat with the demon a bit more. Or showcase the artefacts - after all, the volume is named "Treasures of Alexander"

Anonymous
>>89630240

Ragnorex is using divine essence, Avaritia has just a fake essence, what happened for me is, that he tried to use a skill which requires divine essence and could not fuel it. So the fake essence burned out and ending the great skill.

Alexey Gladkich
>>89630240

@LightAblaze I just really don't understand your arguments. It was straight up explained that the skills are very draining on the changeling. How him failing to cast the third skill is abrupt if that's one of the most expected results in such situations? Why would Salvos kill him immediately after? She literally provoked him and other demons to use Grand Skills just to challenge herself. If she wanted to kill him quickly she wouldn't taunt him and try to behead him as fast as possible.

Notcreepycreeper

I think Avitara's grand skills could be clearer. It sounds like basically he just copies Regnorex's form/skills - giving us a taste of what's to come. I like that. However, it's all confused bc of the 'greatest fear' skill. I also really liked that as a seperate power. But it jumbled it - did he turn into Regnorex bc of the skill, or bc it was Saffron's greatest fear? Was he able to hurt Salvos bc Regnorex is so strong, or bc Salvos being killed is Saffron's fear?

Alexey Gladkich
>>89651177

It was explained in the previous chapter. The skill transforms him into manifestation of fear/nightmares of people around which happened to be the Demon King in this case. System granted him actual powers of the Demon King - albeit a much weaker version.

Anonymous
>>89630240

@Alexey Gladkich What you don't understand is that I don't care for the logic of the story and I'm criticizing it from an entertainment point of view. I understand very well "why" his grand skill ran out. I never said it doesn't make sense. What I am saying is that it's a disappointing development compared to potential other ways the fight could've played out. This chapter basically had Salvos enter a boss fight but then the boss phase suddenly ends before she can finish it. Now she's just fighting the boss's weaker first stage form that has no tension to it. This fight with Avaritia has gone on for long enough and is being dragged out, and it's not even in his strongest more exciting-to-read-about Grand Skill form. Stop trying to explain the situation to me, I get the logic of it. my point is that it was an anti-climactic end to their grand skill, and to the fight and chapter as a whole. The "logic" of the situation doesn't matter for what I'm saying, because if the chapter was written differently and Avaritia actually got to use that third skill and then his GS ran out after you would've still eaten it up as making sense somehow- all while the fight would've been more dramatic and exciting.

Alexey Gladkich
>>89630240

If the skill worked, then Avaritia would break out from the pocket dimension and get both of the previous OP skills up and running. I don't see Salvos winning that except for running away and waiting for the GS to run out. The fights would become a lot less interesting if there weren't rules to follow. Basically, you for some reason you decided for yourself that this is a Big Boss Fight and was expecting a Super Duper Amazing Battle. No it was just a fight against a faker and if he managed anything more than that it would be dumb.

Anonymous
>>89630240

That "faker" turned out to copy Regnorex and his divine essence. He used multiple skills that were close to grand skills and gave Salvos an actual challenge. Yes, of course I was expecting more from this. Yes, obviously I expected an amazing battle because of this. You're saying it would've been dumb when it absolutely had potential to turn out like that. I'm not saying it should've been so exaggerated that it'd be one of the hardest battle Salvos fought ever, I'm just saying it could've been better than what we got. Shorter and better paced too. That's it.

Alexey Gladkich
>>89630240

I don't know. Avaritia is an Archdemon of Greed and he was living the dream as he got a shit ton of power - yet failed miserably because he couldn't handle it. It was too much for him. That's a very deserving end for an Archdemon of Greed.

Kiru
>>89630240

I don't think you're understanding the crux of Light's complaint here, which is that the fight could have ended up more exciting and dramatic that it actually did. That's about it, I think. They're not arguing about if it made sense in-universe or whether or not Avaritia deserved to lose in this manner, they're just unsatisfied by the way the fight turned out. I do actually kind of agree with them as I expected a bit more from a fight with a faux Demon King than an anticlimactic end but I suppose we'll see what happens in the next chapter

Anonymous
>>89630240

@Kiru exactly. That's all I was trying to say. This long chain was so unnecessary -_-

Alexey Gladkich
>>89630240

@LightAblaze and @Kiru it's more like neither of you understand the problem. It's all about managing expectations. Say, if a big amazing battle is promised in the beginning of the story but in the end the battle ends quickly within a single page - it will be unsatisfying. On the other nobody expects super tough boss battle from some random bandit. Say, if lvl 50 bandit ended being a stronger opponent than these demons that will be just plain idiocy. The whole setup was that the Changeling will fail to maintain so much power for long - he already got 2 grand skills for the price of 1, almost got 3. Yet, you somehow managed to misunderstand it and get weird expectations for the coming fight - that's why you feel unhappy. The fight was pretty much won the last chapter when she teleported him away from the Dominion.

Anonymous
>>89630240

@LightAblaze, I have to agree with @Alexey Gladkich on this one. Though Avaritia ability was great, this ending thematically does make sense. About it not being as exciting as it could have been, partially yes, but you should take into account, that Avaritia is not even a Helprince, just an Archdemon Duke and even that he is not the strongest of the seven. Is his power epic, yes, but this outcome was predictable, as a preview of the real Ragnorex. To say truthfully he lasted longer than I expected, I expected that he would break his body and die after the effect ended. Could it have Ended in this chapter? Yes, but I see nothing wrong in it continuing for one more, because the harder the battle the faster is Salvos to evolution.

Anonymous
>>89630240

@Alexey Gladkich you're just repeating what happened in the chapters. The exact thing that I find unsatisfying. I'm not misunderstanding anything, I understand it perfectly and just don't like it.

Anonymous
>>89630240

@Viedu oh my god- I don't care that it makes sense. I'm not arguing it doesn't- ugh whatever. I give up.

Kiru
>>89630240

I think you just don't understand that someone can dislike something despite them perfectly understanding why it happened and why it makes sense. Light was just giving a complaint about something was unsatisfied with... that's it lmao. He's already explained before that yes, he does understand why it happened and the logic behind it, he just wishes it could have ended slightly different. As I said before, I actually do kind of agree with him, but I'm still perfectly fine with how this chapter turned out and am waiting for what happens in the next chapter. Understanding something does not mean that you have to like or agree with it, and disliking something doesn't mean you have a perfectly rational explanation for why you dislike it. Sometimes, you just do. That said, I don't think it's okay to insult someone's intelligence just because they fail to see your perspective.

Anonymous
>>89630240

@LightAblaze you could be slightly less of an Ahole, but disregarding that, you not liking how the fight ended is a you problem, as making this fight any more "exciting" could break the whole future story if handled poorly. Do I think that it would be better to kill him in this chapter? Yes, but that was not the purpose of this fight, from the story perspective, from the start of it, it was for Salvos to challenge herself. From the writing perspective it was a foreshadowing and power demonstration of one of the strongest characters, without having heavy consequences. If it would have a colossal ending where Salvos defeated him in his Ragnorex state, it would cause more problems in the future. Alternatively, her waiting it out till his skill ended naturally would not be any better, as it would stretch it out even more. You must understand that often the most exciting and cool options are not always viable in writing, if future events are already planned out, as they might create inconsistencies and clash with each other.

Anonymous
>>89630240

@Kiru I do understand that, but so must he, that in this situation the only alteration that could be made without braking the story is to kill Avaritia early (in this chapter).

Kiru
>>89630240

Right, and despite the lackluster ending to Avaritia's Grand Skill, it's pretty clear that Melas has something more planned out for Avaritia and Salvos' little contest, which is why despite my complaints, I still liked the chapter. I just wanted to explain Light's perspective to Alexey since they didn't seem to understand that Light didn't like the fight because he didn't like the fight, and explaining why it turned out the way it did doesn't matter since Light already understands. Melas asked what people thonked, and Light thonked. Opinions don't have to be reasonable. They're opinions.

Anonymous
>>89630240

I understand that, it is just that, to my opinion to side more with @Alexey Gladkich perspective, @Light acting as an utter Ahat and decided that it would be a good idea to insult mine (and also Alexes) Intelligence, in addition to acting as an coward and deleating that section in his coment afterward, that realy pissed me off.

Anonymous
>>89630240

I deleted it because Kiru pointed out it's rude to say that, which I said was fair enough and decided to try and amend that. Excuse me for being annoyed at an entire chain of multiple people continuously missing my point and letting that annoyance slip for a moment.

Anonymous
>>89630240

Ok, I will forgive you. About you point in more detail, displeasure with how it ended is understandable. Just that from writing perspective if you have concrete plans for the future story, and don't want to change them, you sometimes have to compromise on the smaller or more gimmicky parts of the story. This is most likely one of those situations. So all we can do is wait and see, maybe what will appear in future chapters will change your opinion on this one.

Tragic Hysteria

This fight is going a bit long I feel, could have easily ended in this chapter. Are we working up to salvos getting a power up or something, new grand skill?

Anonymous
>>89677242

It certanly is building up to something. Hope it will be good.

Alexey Gladkich
>>89630240

@Kiru well, that's the difference between us. LightAblaze's emotional response is very rational. No idea why you think it isn't. When someone anticipates an epic battle but ends up with anti-climatic quick ending - they tend to feel cheated and unhappy. That's rational and typical response. What I am pointing out, is that he was silly to begin with to expect an epic battle this chapter. I don't believe that people expecting Avaria to fail miserably find the chapter dissatisfying.

Anonymous
>>89630240

There's nothing silly about expecting an epic battle Alex. People can have different expectations. Just because I don't agree with you and don't like what you like doesn't mean you need to constantly try and explain your stance and say mine is silly.

Alexey Gladkich
>>89630240

@LightAblaze say, a person watched a porn movie then said in all seriousness that it was awful because the plot was dumb. That would be silly, no? Here you have a mid-tier henchman and you complain because he didn't deliver epic boss battle?

Anonymous
>>89630240

In the first place, I already told you that I wasn't specifically expecting some ungodly epic battle that would've pushed Salvos to her limit. I was simply unsatisfied with how anti-climactic his grand skill ending was and how long it's taking to kill him even after it's run out. At least Viedu had fair reasoning about story planning and how sometimes it just hard to change certain parts. That's understandable. Melas writes these chapters nearly every day, so it's not easy to structure everything perfectly. You on the other hand are just whining at me because I don't like what you like, and you refuse to think what I expected as possible. Salvos isn't a porn movie. It's not DBS with horrible plot and only action. This "mid-tier henchman" used a Grand Skill to turn into the demon king and has had 4 chapters so far, going on to 5, dedicated to Salvos dealing with him. It's completely reasonable for anyone to have expected something else from this.

Anonymous
>>89630240

@LightAblaze hi, I wanted to apoligize myself for my behavior yesterday (calling you an Ashole, basically). Was not in the best state of mind, so sorry for that.

Alexey Gladkich
>>89630240

Sorry @LightAblaze but you are just dumb. At no point did you understand what I was saying. I tried to explain you in more detail but it didn't work. It didn't seem at any point that you even tried to understand what was said. At no point did you understand what story MelasD was trying to tell. I tried to explain that also but you refused to listen. At no point did you put any weight to your arguments. You simply cannot write anything beyond "I am unhappy".

Anonymous
>>89630240

I've explained my arguments and reasoning very well, and have repeated multiple times that I understand the recent chapters but still don't like them. You're the one who keeps refusing to accept my logic as even remotely reasonable. This whole thing started from me just voicing my opinion that the chapter wasn't to my liking. You're the one who keeps trying to force your reasoning on me, as if it'll suddenly make me go "Oh yeah I get it now! This story makes sense, it's so good! Wow!" when it won't- because that's never been the issue. Others have understood what I was expecting and why, even if they don't agree or expect the same thing. Again, just because I don't like what you like doesn't mean you need to get so uppity. Grow up.

Alexey Gladkich
>>89630240

First of all, that's not what you said at all. Stop bullshiting. You said that the fight ended "abruptly" this chapter. Literally, "suddenly, unexpectedly". You said nothing of issues in previous chapters. I was the one who pointed out to you that this is what the chapters were leading to - and quite explicitly at that. The chapters' implications were explicit, well mine too. You just failed to notice the obvious implications and now complain. On another point. This has nothing to do with personal likes or dislikes. I explained to you this a number of times, you just refuse to listen. You fall into a simple category of people that didn't read what they were expecting to read and were unhappy at that. This is reasonable but your expectations were unreasonable - that's the issue I am talking about.

Anonymous
>>89630240

Oh man you're right, I was so stupid. You're absolutely right. Man I feel dumb. Happy now? You are? Good.

Alexey Gladkich
>>89630240

Well, if you have had actually realised yourself to be stupid this time then perhaps you would've learned at least something. But you obvioisly didn't. So I am not happy.

David Brims
>>89630240

Everyone, please take a moment to pause and remember that MelasD does not need to be dealing with flamewars on top of all the other stress he's under. No matter how angry you feel, please try to refrain from expressing it out of respect for the author. Thank You.

Sondrex76

"king herh ead." could be "king her head." Nice chapter.

Jericho Drakane
>>89651177

This could also be a reason for his power running out before he thought it would. The Demon King's essence and skills are just that taxing to copy. Maybe this guy doesn't copy them often.

Joshua Little

Thanks for the chapter.

Alexey Gladkich
>>89651177

@JerichoDrakane well, yes. Salvos noted that each skill cast was as powerful as a GS. So how many GSs can a single GS fuel up?