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Early Access - Neon Genesis Evangelion | Episode 19 "A Man's Battle" Reaction & Review (Patreon)

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2023-08-23 11:39:24
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Toffur

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tom

Immediate pre-discussion thoughts: Haha, you were certainly shocked with how close the Angel got. That's part of what makes this episode special, the fact that there's a battle in the Geo-front. Makes it feel very urgent and we get that iconic shot of Unit-02's head (oh, I talk about more parallels later, but is that another inspiration for an AOT scene that Isayama himself might've taken?). The Angel itself has a bit of a basic design, I've always found, more akin to the earlier angels (The one from episode 1 & 9, most closely perhaps). I think it's cool though, because this Angel seems to have the most raw destructive power we've seen, making light work of both Eva units and Nerv's armor, as opposed to the more sneaky infiltrative power we've seen of the last few angels from eps 13, 16 & 18, so it can be seen as like an upgraded version of what we had before. I love the parallels. To Episode 4, as you pointed out (in fact Shinji walking away on his own is reminiscent of Episode 3, so it's a callback to that era of him "running away" in a sense) but also to Episode 1 with him standing right in front of the head of Unit-01, Gendo looking down at him, confronted with the decision to pilot the "robot" and the burden of being the only one who can do it. AOT references - Unit-01 leaping from the side to punch the angel. Perhaps from the end of Season 1, Episode 24, when Eren punches the Female Titan? - The angel's arm being ripped off and landing right next to Gendo Ikari and blood splattering his face was put STRAIGHT INTO Episode 25 of S1 (anime-only) Eren rips off the Female Titan's arm and the whole thing almost hits Erwin in a similar way. - Shinji's demented smile as he fights against the angel. This one is also a 'maybe', but perhaps it's from Eren fighting the Female Titan (lol referring to it as such because you never know) in the forest, or in the city, or maybe the flashback we get when he transforms into a titan for the first time in Trost and goes "More. More" The Kaji watermelon scene is one of my favorites. Every time I heard the track from this in any earlier episodes this was the scene I couldn't help thinking of. It's very poignant and beautiful, and I think it was very peculiar for Shinji to see a potential male role model of his be reduced to such a mundane activity in the face of such destruction, and again adds to that theme of breaking the illusion of adult invincibility (or perhaps infallibility). Can someone who knows a bit about Japanese let me know if the Misato line of "He's speaking aggressively" was correct? I think it might have something to do with passive versus active voice, and Shinji talking differently than normal, but I don't want to spread misinformation. The animation at the end is so creepy and so iconic. The white eyes from a distance of Unit-01 that we see blinking so humanly, the creepy animalistic but also human but also uncanny valley nature of the crawling and almost awkwardly looking around, at the Nerv staff, at us, the audience, before it finishes its meal. Or, as Ritsuko says, "she". Oh, and I love how Unit-01 just shreds the AT field of the angel and we get that fucking awesome effect of the angel falling back, then seeing the barrier stutter into reality and the blood splat against it from inside! SO cool.

tom

I'm gonna be really annoying for a sec (and for all I know, you're so far ahead in recording that you saw my old comment about this and are well aware) but the studio having a low budget is a myth and there's nothing supporting it. What staff have said in the years after the anime was that it had to do more with mismanagement making everything a mess than the actual money allocated to production. To me, this can be taken when analyzing the creative side and is more proof that even from the early days (Episode 4's final scene as an example) the holding on still frames for a while has always been a creative choice and not a pragmatic one. It may be a mix of both, and I'm not going to pretend like there aren't times repeating shots or minimalist animation is likely used to conserve effort/time, but when one is used in the very fourth episode for almost a whole minute, an episode that otherwise is plentiful in engaging and beautiful imagery, I don't think it's too irrational to conclude that it's baked into the style of the show rather than just being cutting corners (which you did suggest and is a strong stance of mine). And when talking about its use economically, I also see that philosophy working in a creative sense too. This show has astounding storyboarding, so repeat frames/animation not only help you remember those frames more, adding to the iconography of the show, but also make it stand out when we get so many new shots and allows for the breathtaking animation in many episodes. Overall, rather than it feeling like the show is just scraping by it feels like its own unique artpiece (in my opinion). Two things from this episode I didn't remember initially was the train scene from Toji (but as soon as I saw it I realized I had remembered it before and when I re-remember it I have to think about it for a while), and Asuka's horror as she says she can't lose (it reminds me of when she watches Rei working with Shinji in episode 9). You noticing the distorted sound effect that preceded the train scene was very relatable. Such a haunting sound that's so seared into my subconscious. There's just something so unique about the whole feeling of that scene, so jarring in its implications yet so comfortingly displayed, even in the way Toji blearily dismisses the two of them arguing as so mundane. The bubbling effect as the arm regenerates reminds me of in Bleach. I wonder if that was inspired by Eva as well in this sense. I only realized upon seeing the collage you made of frames from the episode that the alert hexagons (top left) are meant to resemble the AT Field. I clearly love this show and story, but I'm always a bit perplexed when you sing the praises of its exposition. In rewatching the show through the full reaction I've had a bit of secondhand cringe on behalf of the dialogue in some episodes and was worried you would find the exposition to be too much, so I'm pleasantly surprised to see you enjoy it even if I don't share that opinion. I will say a lot of people miss vital aspects of information in the show that they probably wouldn't if it was more explicitly stated, so you may be onto something with it being casual. My read of Asuka may be more negative than yours (though interestingly I think my read of Misato and Kaji this episode is more positive than yours). I think Misato was telling the truth, and disgust is the perfect way to describe how she'd feel about Shinji leaving. To her, being able to pilot the Eva is a gift and a privilege, one through which she makes herself valuable, as well as attaining a strong identity. I feel like Shinji throwing that away would piss her off, and she'd probably even view it as an extension of his self-hatred that she loathes about him -- or perhaps the complete opposite, for him to be able to give up the Eva shows that he doesn't believe he's as nothing without it as she does, and that, which she would perceive as an air of superiority, would piss her off even more. Plus, knowing Asuka's personality if Misato was lying and she truly did tell her to say goodbye to Shinji on her behalf then surely she would just come to the train station to see Shinji off herself. The third alternative read is that her pride would get in the way of her showing any care towards Shinji, but if that's true then again there's no chance in hell she would want Shinji to know that, so again I think Misato would be telling the truth. Just my take though.

Mati D.

This episode man, the OST "Thanatos" always gets me, so beautiful.

Kon
>>115869910

Oh yeah, even though Rei is an android and can be replaced her sacrifice always makes me tear up because of that song. So amazing and beautiful it gives me those "The end of times vibes" but also very uplifting and triumphant in the second part if you listen to the full version.

A Toilet Duck

Great discussion this episode, actually rather stole my thunder as I don't have much more to say that the discussion or another comment hasn't already said! As it was brought up, Gendo's office; undeniably cool, very intimidating (certainly wouldn't want to be pulled in there for a "quick chat" if you were an employee), but I do somewhat question how practical a set up that is... It's no wonder he's a pretty freaky fella, filling out all of the doubtlessly extensive paperwork surely required for his role at that desk would have me dreaming up dastardly masterplans as well!!

Anonymous
>>115902721

same, I wrote mine when i had barely woken up and thought I'll add more later but...anything was already said tbh haha It's really cool but also empty and imposing, I think he can pretty much see all of nerv from there which yeah it all fits him very well lol Though i think he leaves all paperwork to Fuyutsuki

A Toilet Duck
>>115902721

That's a fair point, Fuyutsuki looks like a man who's filled out some forms in his time... And I will say, to its credit, very few hazards in that office. Not a lot of things that you could trip over holding a hot cup of coffee, I'll have to give it some points for that.

tom

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Anonymous
>>115923395

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tom
>>115923395

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