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How can you be brave in the face of fear? What is the key to working through hardship?

Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright are jumping into the fantastical world of Spirited Away. They talk about Chihiro’s journey from fearing everything to being incredible brave, and how she works through her fears to achieve great things. They discuss how Studio Ghibli movies have a magical balance of being nonsensical and weird but somehow relatable to everyone. And they learn how bath houses work.

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Magnus Taliesin

The sludge spirit that turned into an old man dragon was a river spirit - dragons are tied to bodies of water or maybe rivers specifically in Japanese tradition. She pulled out all that gunk and trash because the river had been polluted, which had corrupted the spirit of the river into this. That's what's up with Haku as well, he's a river spirit.

Anonymous

I've watched this movie 3 times in different stages of my life, and each time it tells me something different that I needed to hear at that time even if I didn't put it together all at once. I have such a intense early childhood memory, maybe 4 or 5 years old, in my small rural iowa hometowns version of blockbuster called Movies America. I was standing and staring at the videotape for Spirited away. So we rented it, and I didn't remember much but the beginning stuck with me, something about the animation. So when I was 14 I asked for it for my birthday after something reminded me of it, and I watched it and I identified so much with Chihiro. Being terrified, being dependent on family, feeling like everything was too big or too scary to face on my own. But I just needed to be brave and not let that fear hold me back. And that I wanted to be a kind person that lives with integrity. And then I watched it a year or two after I had just moved to a new state, like 22 with the intention of pursuing a career in filmmaking/animation, but instead signed up for a security job and have been working that for 4 years. And once again I was terrified of everything, I didn't have any confidence in myself, and I didn't know what I was going to do, or how I was going to proceed to reach this goal. And leaving job security is terrifying. But now I'm at another crossroads at my life and I finally understand what this movie means. I just need to be brave and go for it. I have to believe that I am capable. I have to believe that I have something to offer. And that change and growth aren't scary things to run from, but new experiences that should be embraced. But I'll never know for sure until I actually try. The scene where Yubaba tries to trick Chihiro with the pigs always gave me terrifying anxiety as a child, because what if she's wrong! What if she picks the wrong one! Yubaba even asks is "that really your final answer??" In a way that is trying to make her doubt herself. But Chihiro doesn't back down. That scene wasn't about the audience being confident in her answer. It was about Chihiro being confident in her answer, and trusting her judgement with certainty. And I think I'm finally nearing that point, that I know for sure what I'm here to do, and that I can do it well. What an incredible story that a young girl can grow into.

Anonymous

Jono, your sort-of-monologue-ish around 19-20 about identity was so powerful and insightful that I had to go back and write some of it down. My abusers were my parents, who taught me that I was not allowed to have an identity or be a person because it was unreasonably selfish to even want to be, and somehow I hadn't quite made the connection between this and not being allowed to be alive before. I needed to hear this. Thank you so much.

Anonymous

Okay, this episode is super old, but I have to comment a few things. Hope you don't mind :D 1. If you like these kinds of movies (which are basically just a trip), you might like Paprika: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paprika_(2006_film) It's not a Ghibli and I can't remember if there was any message in that film, but it is at least very enjoyable and weird. (It's about a device being invented that can record people's dreams and a psychiatrist is using it illegally to try and help his psychiatric patients - but with all anime in existence, the description is very very different than what actually happens in the movie :D ) 2. If you like relaxing games, there is a new one called Spirittea where you can have your own bathhouse where you bath spirits. 3. Loved that you talked about that trauma made you kind of resiliant. It's always hard to talk about it because it feels so wrong to say 'but actually, it helped me a lot'. Because I am always afraid of people thinking that it wasn't that bad or that I am not processing the trauma correctly or... whatever. Being mentally ill is hard enough to explain, telling people that it had it's positive outcomes as well is nearly impossible. Now that I am away from my abusive family, I am sooo stress resistant and so hard to hurt emotionally. Like...people are always surprised that I am very open with all my vulnerable spots, but honestly? Nothing people can say will ever hurt more than what I was told in my childhood. Stressful period at work? Pfff.. did you ever deal with my mom when she came back from a hard day at work? That's stressful. What I learned while navigating a very toxic environment made me basically a master manipulator and a master problem solver. I have a fix for a problem usually why it is still happening (yay adhd brain :D). I had to do inception long before the idea for the movie even existed. It made me a fantastic writer because I was constantly forced to take another person's perspective (btw that can get unhealthy af. not being able to be mad at your own abuser because you know where it all comes from is really... not good). And I can't tell people because how fucked up is that? But honestly? It's so amazingly empowering to say 'life tried to beat me down and I kept going and everything it did to me I turned into a skill that made me a better person and that brings me forward in life' I very much don't like how I learned these skills and I don't wish this on anyone. But boy we should be able to talk about what we were able to achieve because we went through a ton of trauma and lived to see the end of it. I wished I could get rid of my nightmares and my anxiety and the occasional panic attack. I wished I wasn't afraid of my manager because she looks kinda like my mom. But I wouldn't trade what I learned from it for anything. I'm so proud of who I am and being a survivor is a part of that. I took all the shit and used it to make the earth a bit of a better place.

MrAlexSan

Haven't watched yet, but Miyazaki said that the moment Chihiro stops being a child is the moment she's riding the train to go on her adventure. In Japan most kids start taking public transit to go to school by themselves when they're around her age, and is a sort of a rite of passage.

Anonymous

You definitely have to watch Howl's moving castle and Kikis delivery service... They are amazing! Princess Mononoke would also be interesting:)

Anonymous

Kiki is my favorite next to Spirited Away! But also, the others are really good. Soooo, all of them? 🤣

Anonymous

We plan to do the entire Ghibliverse, but it'll take time.

Lara

I'll absolutely vote for D! (Though I'm arguably looking forward to Howl's moving castle the most... aside from the fact that they changed his name for the English version...) Once again, thank you for always being so open with us. I like Studio Ghibli films a lot (and have seen way too few of them and by far not often enough). So, thank you for reacting to them and thank you for sharing so much with us. It really means a lot

Anonymous

Review all of the options! But Kiki's Delivery Service first :D The first time I ever watched Spirited Away was when I was 8 years old. I'm in my late twenties now, and every time I rewatch it I always find something new to take away. Listening to your reactions has definitely added to the experience, and to me this film isn't just about a girl going through a fantastical world to save her parents and return home - it's about growing up. I'm so excited to see you guys cover the rest of the ghibliverse; keep up the great work!

Anonymous

If you think Spirited Away is a gummy trip, I really hope you make it to Paprika 😂😂😂 I used to work at a Hollywood Video, and Spirited Away was what I’d put on over the store TVs. I was told I had to stop because it was ‘too scary’ for our younger customers, which I thought was a total bummer. But whatever… vintage Herbie works too 🤷‍♀️🙄

Anonymous

Oh, and nice Poltergeist poster. Scariest movie ever :)

Opal Evergreen

Howls Moving Castle! And please thing about Castle In The Sky! I love that movie and its always left out!

Anonymous

One of my favorite Ghibli movies! Kiki's Delivery Service is still my top but this movie is fantastic the animation, the colors, the story, the culture. You almost want to live in this movie world but also don't. Studio Ghibli films are amazing I love them!!! Hope you guys do more! This movie definitely connected with me and I watched this as a kid almost teenager so I definitely related to it. Also Alan I was the biggest Scaredy Cat as a kid! I'm better as an adult but I couldn't even watch horror movies as a kid I was a wimp I'll totally admit it!

Anonymous

Kiki's Delivery Service is one of the first movies I have memory of every seeing as a small child. It means so much to me as a young adult artist! I'd love to see what you'd say about it! (Although, honestly every Ghibli film is great!)

Anonymous

I would love to see The Cat Returns. I know it isn't one of the 3 listed but I love it the best. Plus Cary Elwes, Tim Curry, and Anne Hathaway make up the voice cast. I think that a lot of the Ghibli films follow the Hero's Journey as the story and I would love to hear Alan's thoughts on that.

Emira Brightleaf

Howls moving castle, please. I think it really has something to say about finding space and accepting yourself. But Kiki is such a masterpiece about burnout. So I'd just be happy if you watch ALL OF THE GHIBLI

Anonymous

ALL OF THE ABOVE!!

Anonymous

I'd say Howl for next Ghibli film, definitely.

Anonymous

I always watch subs so I was a little thrown to hear the English 😄 I would love to see your reactions to Princess Mononoke

Anonymous

Howl's Moving Castle!!!!

Alice Yacono

All of them but start whit howl's moving castle

Anonymous

Howl's Moving Castle has themes that haven't been covered yet... hint hint nudge nudge

Anonymous

Howl's Moving Castle :)

Kitty Boom

Kiki's Delivery Service because even though she is an adolescent...her life becoming a witch pretty much sums up my millennial existence (i.e., see the scene where she face-plants on her bed after a long, stressful workday and just lies there for a while).

Wendy Darling

I’ve drawn so much inspiration from Howl’s Moving Castle, selfishly I’d love Jono to see it and to watch it with the two of you.

HandsomePenguin

Princess Mononoke is my choice for next Ghibli video. It was one of the first full blown Anime movies I ever watched, certainly the first Ghibli movie, so I am probably a little biased.

Anonymous

Princess Mononoke or Howl's Moving Castle. Princess has the clearest point, but Howl's is so whimsical and fun.

Anonymous

As a huge nerd in movies,books,games, comics, and TV I would love to see you guys do hero/villain therapy on video game characters, and video game stories. I know video games are more fantasy then reality I just would love to hear your guys take on famous video game characters (whether originally from a book or made for the game) and to see what good and bad qualities they have. Maybe in the far future a gaming therapy channel? If not thats totally ok. I still love this channel and the content!

Anonymous

A! Howls Moving Castle!! Please! It is my favorite

Anonymous

I vote Howl, followed by KiKi :)

Anonymous

Howl is a story about finding yourself and Kiki is about being true to yourself. (At least in my opinion) So the segue would be kind of smooth :)

Anonymous

Defo Howls Moving Castle!

Anonymous

I want all of them to be honest 😭 but the first should definitely be Howl's Moving Castle!

Anonymous

Ponyo was a big part of my childhood but Howl's Moving Castle is so good too :) :)

Anonymous

HOWLS MOVING CASTLE <3

Anonymous

Great video, as always. I definitely think there’s a lot of wisdom for the zillennial generation to be gleaned from Kiki and Howl alike. I do want to also shout out my personal favorite Ghibli film which is Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind. It technically predates Ghibli’s inception so it gets overlooked, but it’s lessons of environmental consciousness and active pacifism were pretty formative for me. Plus it’s just a great piece of 80s sci-fi, the soundtrack? *chef’s kiss* plus plus, Mark Hamil and Patrick Stuart in the English dub.

Anonymous

That is nice to hear. Nausicaa is also my favorite. The message and the epic drama are one of Miyazaki's best work. I also recommend reading the original books of Nausicaa. It goes way beyond the film and the world is very well developed. The answer to the final quest is mind opening. I never watched it in English so I didn't know for Mark Hamil and Patrick Stuart. The English version always have good guests for Ghilbli's films. :)

Anonymous

This film just lost me.

CinemaTherapy

We've talked about it, but I (Jono) am not much of a gamer and we've got more than enough to occupy us with movies. Respect for games and gamers though.

Anonymous

The visual style was so jarring it undermined both plot and character development for me.

Anonymous

I'd love to see you guys react to Princess Mononoke

Anonymous

Who knew that Jono could hang?! 😯😂 This is one of my favorite movies but I watched it once after some special chocolate and the emotional insight was so much deeper. Very intense. I appreciate the movie in a different way now. She is a (Chi)he(i)ro, indeed. (Sorry, Alan.)

Anonymous

All of them!!

Anonymous

Howl’s Moving castle!!!!!

Anonymous

Kiki's!

Anonymous

I agree to all of them please 🙏 but yeah, Howl holds a special place in my heart - I love it so much

Sarukana

All!!!

Anonymous

Watch Kiki’s Delivery Service next! Ponyo is not quite as much of instant classic as the others, so I would plan accordingly. On the other end of the spectrum, Howl’s Moving Castle or Princess Mononoke would make good finales on the Miyazaki saga.