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Hi loves.

Greetings from a bookshop, where I am, once again and probably against all better judgment, simply writing what I think and publishing it without sending it to a focus group. I’m reading comments here.

I also posted this to Facebook if you’d like to comment and share over there. It was too long for Instagram so I’m linking IG to this post here on Patreon.

(Heads up, this post is a graphic and emotional read).

If you missed the news, Russell Brand (the UK writer/actor/comedian) was me-too’d this last week. The allegations are serious and I believe the survivors. You can read about it here.

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A few weeks ago, my high school groomer, the man who sexually assaulted me when I was fourteen (I liked, at the time, calling him “my corruptor”) passed away.

He lost a lifelong battle with addiction.

As a teenager, I wrote my first significant handful of songs about him, about what he did, and how horrible and disorienting it all felt. One of those songs wound up on The Dresden Dolls first record. I was fifteen when I wrote it.

It was this guy who first - tragically - taught me how to transform the pain of sexual harm and confusion into art, to transform violence into a good little goth song, into an offering I was allowed to give the world.

I never spoke a word about he did to my teachers, the school, my family, his family. I still feel the tenterhooks of oncoming kerfuffle even writing the words in this post, lest I offend his parents and siblings.

But here I go. I’m not very afraid of anything anymore.

In the wake of his death, a handful of women from my hometown who knew of our old connection reached out to me. There was a miniature ocean of Me Too conversations. Over texts and phone conversations and in-person walks, we mourned the tragedy of it all: what he did to us and our whole community, what he took from us, the extreme sadness. And for me, man….how comforting it was, seriously, to feel seen and recognized by his fellow survivors.

But now what?

His death sent me down a long few weeks of deep contemplation; about harm, about accountability, about men, about our culture. I spent all of 2019 touring a show (“There Will Be No Intermisson”) about abortion, grief, sexual assault, and how we manage to survive in the face of everything.

I had no idea, back then, how much worse it could get. What I’ve seen and heard since then, in my personal life and over the internet, has made all that seem like a cakewalk.

So many women (and men) told me their painful stories when I was on the road. Stories of dads who had raped their daughters. Stories of being trapped in cars. Stories of sexual violence so horrific it would take my breath away, every time, and I would find myself staring at the sky thinking HOW, HOW, HOW.

And still it happens. Every day. I have been ringside to yet more of these stories lately, and have thought a great deal about the lengths a community, a workplace, a fandom, and a family will go to in order to protect a man’s reputation and a family‘s good name. The cost of telling the truth is massive, the cost of staying silent so often feels more affordable on every level. We are taught not to rock the boat and stain the fragile ecosystem. It’s easier to stay silent. It really is. But it keeps the cycle of violence intact.

I just posted a variation on the below as a comment on Neurodivergent Rebel’s post about Russell Brand, and the comment kicked off such a good discusson that I am bringing it over here.

We were asked in the original post if we were “surprised” by the Russell Brand accusations.

Nobody should be “surprised” anymore when a man in power is outed for abusing that power to get sex from whoever is proximate and to commit acts of sexual violence that they hope will be immediately excusable, and accountability escapable.

We all know how common it is, we have all seen the statistics at this point, and we all know - tragically - how very rarely powerful men are held to account when they do stupid shit.

In the case of Russell, he’s been really open about his many dicey life choices, so it would be weird to be “surprised” here.

But the interesting part of this story unfolding will be about whether he will - at any point - actually open up about his past behaviors and find a way of threading a more honest story together.

He’s a really smart guy. He knows how to create a moment that matters. The world would hold it.

Call me naive, but I feel Russell could use this moment to take hat in hand and admit he’s done harm. He’s done recovery work; the same rules apply. Amends. Honesty. Transparency.

It’s the only way out of this hell realm for all of us.

I met and podcasted with Russell in 2019 and he was nothing but kind to me. I have the feeling his behavior has probably evolved for the better since the time these assaults allegedly (and in my opinion, probably) happened. That’s good, if it’s true. People who have done stupid shit can evolve.

What’s not good is if the whole thing goes away in a mess of smoke and faffing of hands around “cancel culture”. It’s a red herring.

I think the world has matured to the point where we are ready to see men come out and openly admit their harmful actions, talk about their struggles and their sex addictions, their deep insecurities, their massively stupid and hurtful mistakes, and I think we are ready to create a space for healing, forgiveness, and eventually, a massive change in the way the whole culture works.

We have to change the way this all works, or our kids will simply continue the spin cycle of terror.

I eventually forgave my high school groomer/predator. I told the story on stage, every night, in 2019. One night in Portland, Oregon, at The Crystal Ballroom, a woman screamed at me: “AMANDA PALMER ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SAYING WE SHOULD FORGIVE OUR RAPISTS?!?”

The room of 800 people all starting screaming at her, and at each other to shut up, and at me to do something.

I sat down at the piano, put my microphone in its holder, and said nothing for thirty seconds while the audience carried on in chaos.

That moment feels like a microcosm of the whole world right now.

I eventually picked up my mic.

Yes, I am saying that.

I forgave my rapists (surprise, I’ve had more than one!). I didn’t condone or endorse their horrific actions, and I would have loved to see them punished and reformed.

I didn’t wanna hang out with them, and I wasn’t ever gonna invite them for Thanksgiving dinner, but I forgave them.

I know enough now about men and their wounds and traumas to know that the poor kid - who was seventeen at the time - who tied me to a table in a basement when I was fourteen was just swimming in a sea of unhealed pain. His mom was institutionalized (which I only just learned). He was unhealed, lonely, angry, lost. I imagine the same is true of any man who commits sexual violence. It comes only from a place of lack and fear. I imagine that the guy who raped me when I was 20 was probably similarly lost.

My hope for all of us to progress would be to see Russell - and any men who commit sexual violence - simply held to account.

To hear honesty.

To hear the truth.

To hear real apologies.

To feel true accountability.

To hear true understanding about the deep and rippling harm it causes women and their echoing networks of friends and families when this stuff happens. Maybe then these men can un-lose themselves. We have to be ready to help them if they are ready to do the work.

Sexual violence has a hardcore ricochet effect, and the bullets and broken glass keep flying all over the place after the act. The pain is endless and the pain effects everyone, everyone in the world.

I would love to see Russell tell the truth. And that shouldn’t mean Russell has to be cancelled into oblivion and shot to the moon. He has art he could still offer, and if he wanted to work through all this, I, for one, would like to see what he’d make in the wake of a true reckoning.

If men were simply held to account for the stupid shit they do in this arena, things would change, drastically. We would see real progress.

If men were held to account, every single time, and over a long span of time, men would eventually understand that this sort of behavior will not be tolerated by a sane and just society. My lips to god’s ears, anyway.

My long-held stance: radical compassion for all beings, always. For Russell, for these women, and all those affected by the endless tendrils of violence.

May we find a way out.

Men: we are looking at you.

Please don’t leave us to do all the excruciating work here. Please don’t leave us to be the ones stewing and agonizing in the false safety of silence in order to protect the kids, protect the family name, protect the company, protect the firm.

Help us out.


Just be more honest.

It is time.


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Comments

Julian Normand

Beautifully worded . I do believe everyone should speak honestly about their wrong doings and experiences. I don’t think you can force accountability onto someone, but we can give gentle pushes of support to help those in need of it into the right direction . Like you’ve said before we should fully be embracing radical compassion. We should show compassion where it’s needed and be there to help guide those who are lost. There is so much work to be done in this world . Love this letter ❤️

Mary Alice Fraughton

During my rapist’s trial people kept telling me that they hoped I found justice. The more I heard them say it and the further I went into the bizarre hell of our legal system, the less meaning that word seemed to have. Justice wasn’t a thing I could find. It wasn’t in the gluten free aisle or stocked behind the toilet paper, and even if it had been, even if I had stumbled across it or had it handed down to me by a jury of my peers, I was not at all confident justice would be of any use to me. I thought about that so much, over the four years between what happened to me and the trial itself. And honestly? I’m not sure justice is real. I’m not sure it’s worth anything if it is. Forgiveness is real. Pain is real. I know where to find them (although one is a hell of a lot easier to locate) and I know how to make stuff out of them. Other than nearly killing me, what that trial mostly did was make me empathize with my rapist. I remember standing up there and answering the most offensive, appalling questions the defence could come up with, and looking over to see the guy who’d hurt me just…staring out the window at the snow coming down over the street. I’ve never seen any disassociate quite so obviously. And I thought: the only person in this room who is having as awful a day as I am is that guy. This thing we’re participating in is not for us. He took a plea deal in the end, and got six months house arrest, and one of the things I requested was that we sit down and talk in a restorative-justice style meeting. I thought very hard about what I wanted to say to him, whether I wanted to tell him he was forgiven. In the end I didn’t use those words. I told him that he’d hurt me, that we both had to live with that but that I didn’t want it to define either of us. That I hoped he went on to have a life that was full of meaning, and that I wished him no harm. I will probably never understand why his pain led him to hurt me while mine leads me to make art, but I don’t think I’ll ever forget how I felt in that courtroom: that we were in some fundamental way the same. I’m not trying to glorify suffering or excuse him for what he did. But the only way I could feel human in that moment was to recognize his humanity too. Whatever forgiveness means to other people, that’s what it is for me: a human in pain recognizing another human in pain.

Joanna Lindblad

Sometimes forgiveness is not (entirely) about the one that hurt you, but for yourself to find peace ❤️🙏🫂

Anonymous

This is the root of radical compassion, to forgive, but hold account. I have lost count of discussions, especially with men, who are so defensive over sexual assaults & fear of cancelling that they won't listen to a harmed woman speak. As if all we want is retribution. As if we are that shallow we would think that alone would help (which is another stroke of ingrained patriarchy, naturally). But that is sadly also drilled in to many who are hurt as the answer, which breaks my heart. It's the work to listen to each other, hold accountability, engage honestly, apologies sincerely, & do the work to repair & break cycles that matter. Thank you for writing this & sharing. I hope it sparks better conversations. I hope Russel finds is somewhere & acknowledges how much power he can have in making how he can help not just himself, but men in general, engage to heal from these situations better.

Becky Ellen-Johnson

These are hard discussions that need to be had. Speaking for myself I need to sit down and work past the kneejerk reaction to scream 'fuck the rapist!' and think deeper about the world we are in a the different ways we could move forward. What we are doing now is not working. That much is certain. The way we approach violence of all kinds is not working. The actions we take to punish and prevent... Not working. So what can we do different? How can we work towards rehabilitation while still taking into account the ones who were harmed? I wish I had an answer. I wish I had a glimmer of hope of those in power working for a better way. I wish a lot of things.

Anonymous

I think you're letting us off the hook a little. We're not all lost and broken and unhealed, some of us are entitled knobheads who think it's our right to subjugate and abuse women. I know enough guys like this and they aren't 'damaged' in any meaningful sense, they have shitty views about women and need to be held to account for their actions. In all honesty, I've definitely not treated women particularly well in the past. I did plenty of cheating and blanking women and often didn't give them the respect they deserved. Yes, you could blame my ADHD, depression, crushingly low self-esteem, crappy family upbringing blah blah blah.... but that doesn't take away from the fact I could be a horrible wee shite and bloody well should have known better. 47-year-old me would be having serious words with 20-year-old me and telling him to get his fucking act together. Which he eventually did... I hope! People do grow, mature and take accountability for their actions but I don't think Brand will do that. He's already come out with 'poor me' posts and claims he's done nothing wrong. If he's starting out from that standpoint, I feel any further admittance or acceptance of his past abuses (should I add a grudging 'alleged' before that?) will seem disingenuous at best. To find a way out, more men need to be adult enough to take a stance like yours and speak out firmly but with compassion. Women have spoken and men really need to act (with apologies to my non-binary friends for speaking in such plain terms but hopefully my point still stands!) and call out crappy behaviour by other men. I've seen it in my own workplace - a very male-dominated sector - and we're slowly starting to see a change in attitudes and men being more willing to stand up and say 'hold on, this isn't ok'.

Anonymous

I have not read all the comments and I apologize, but Radical compassion is the answer, that I do believe. I wish everyone could see that, and use that and take it to make the world just fucking livable! I feel there are men who hurt because they hurt and there are men who hurt because they are wired to enjoy it. Same goes for women. There are so many layers, so many exceptions, and too much silence. All we can really do is keep the conversation alive and leave the door open for others to come in and maybe one day something will click! 🖤

Anonymous

This was a very difficult read that I have been trying to process... over and over and over... because, which I fully understand that it would literally require someone to be deeply and profoundly broken to brutalize someone the way the monster that raped me did -- and to so deliberately figure out how to manipulate his way into my home, under the guise of friendship and compassion for me while I was in a haze of PTSD and a bipolar depressive episode, as my mother had passed about three weeks earlier, I am not sure I can wrap. my head around the concept of forgiveness, or even compassion, for someone who shared no remorse, no sorrow, and no shame for what he did... someone, who in fact. made it clear that the price to pay for speaking was he would do it again -- or worse. Someone who convinced people I was lying -- that he would never do that, I mean, after all, I was just a lower-class slut (look how many people I had the audacity to CHOOSE to have sex with! And I mean, I didn't grow up rich like he did, so, obviously, I had an angle, obviously, I was lying.) Now... logically, if someone will openly admit "Yep, I hooked up with some guy who was wearing a JAWS shirt, and I fucked him in a car, because I liked that he knew the shark's name was Bruce and I was drunk and he was kind of cute... and no, I have no fucking idea what his name was and yes, I realize he could have been a serial killer" ... why would she lie about.... just one guy... just another person... who she CHOSE to have sex with? Another name, another pointless number? Like? "Oh no... that's just ONE TOO MANY! I better come up with something quick, lest my reputation be ruined!" And yet... they believed him. People still do. And I don't understand that. And there is something profoundly broken, indeed, with someone who can maintain an erection when someone is crying, begging, and using all their strength to stop them from forcibly entering their bodies -- causing them pain, injury, and other things -- when you think about it. Sometimes, it is difficult to have intercourse when you both *want* to -- but when a woman is actively trying to stop you, and you have to overpower her, bruise her, harm her -- and yet -- can still... do this? I'm not sure how you can ever be truly sorry -- nor how society can ever be safe from your brokenness, whether it is from nature or nurture. I think it is brave and strong that you found a way to forgive your attackers. (And I despise that so many of us who have been attacked end up being assaulted more than once because predators have a way about them -- they just... know...) I just cannot imagine how I would even begin to get there. Mostly because of what I wrote above -- how I cannot understand how much it takes to actively cause that kind of harm to someone -- and maintain the physical... necessity to commit the assault. I am not sure you can ever heal or fix that kind of broken.

Holly Smith

Unless it happened more than once, that woman in the audience who asked if you were saying we should forgive our rapists was actually in Denver, because I was there. To read that you are calling out “cancel culture” and trying to lighten up its power and flippantly comparing it to the “faffing of hands,” is disappointing but not surprising. You often talk about reducing patriarchal harm and you espouse feminist ideals at the same time you’re telling us to forgive our rapists. Just because forgiveness was right for you doesn’t mean it’s right for everybody. I have supported you on Patreon almost since the beginning. I supported you all through the pandemic. I’m at the $25 per thing level. I always have been. I supported you through the “n” word saga, your divorce, through years of not getting any new, original music, and when you see being canceled for various reasons. But now I’m really questioning whether or not I should still support you on Patreon. It’s great that you had Russell Brand on your podcast before his victims came forward but just because you know him doesn’t mean you need to defend him now and dismiss “cancel culture.” Because your words sound like you are defending him. And I just don’t feel comfortable with that. Too often over the years I’ve had these thoughts about you and how your radical forgiveness views have harmed me and others like me. I know you don’t understand how the radical forgiveness stand hurts people like me because I’ve talked to you about it in the past. I don’t know why this Russell Brand situation feels like a final straw to me, but it does. I’m just really not sure anymore if you are actually in touch with the reality many of us are facing in the “real world” when dealing with the trauma of moving through life knowing our rapists will never see any kind of justice. I have a lot more thinking to do regarding my continued support of you and your radical forgiveness views. While that viewpoint helps you, it certainly doesn’t help the vast majority of sexual assault victims and survivors.

Ashleigh M. Ferreira-Bartlett

I am observing that the Facebook comments are very positive– but the tone is a little different here. I think it's interesting that some seem inclined (like I almost did) to exclaim the worst thing that happened to us, as if to say, like, "me too?! you think I should forgive, too?" That leads me to believe the tone difference is generally based on the amount of people here who feel a deep and personal connection/have a parasocial relationship with you, and thus feel really personally wounded. My ghastly experiences do not compute with radical forgiveness, maybe not yet or ever, but how I deal with my issues certainly isn't based solely on your opinion. (Like, no offense, but also, of course!) No one should do that. That's where these things can get so muddy. Our experiences are unique, time and healing are not linear, and umbrella essays can be divisive. I hope I figure out how I feel about it.

Lynette Olanosa

I think that sometimes it's important to distinguish between forgiving someone and releasing the experience for them to take ownership. I won't forgive my abusers initially or perhaps ever, and I will not hold the shame and secrecy for them any longer. I will be open about my experience and let them own the entire responsibility for it. If they accept their own actions and apologize, then we can discuss forgiveness. But the first step is to take it off the shoulders of the victims, and place it directly onto the abusers. The act of rape and the silence that follows is a form of control that is ongoing. I refuse to let them take my voice and that control of my feelings and communication. Their existence shouldn't carry that much weight in my life. They don't deserve that honor. That being said, once they take ownership, the real healing work can start. I don't have to befriend them, but I can have some peace knowing that they may go forward not causing harm to others and not having any influence over me.

Anonymous

Thank you for this. We have to find a way through this, and a way out of cancel culture being the only response we have. RB can talk circles around anyone, he's very smart, he talks about spirituality all the time. Now is the time to show how evolved he really is. Can he be humble and honest and admit to harm he's caused? We'll see.

Holly Smith

Remember, there is no requirement to EVER forgive your abusers and you can still lead a full, healthy, happy life without forgiving those who have wronged you. I will never forgive my abusers and I lose no sleep over it whatsoever.

Nancy Chandler

"If men were held to account, every single time, and over a long span of time, men would eventually understand that this sort of behavior will not be tolerated by a sane and just society." You put what I've been thinking into much better words than I ever could. We seem to put them on pedestals, the famous ones and the ordinary ones, and fear the consequences if we knock them off. They do need to be held to account and stop getting a pass because punishment would "ruin a young man's future for a youthful indiscretion" or "it will embarrass his well-known family" or "she was wearing a short skirt-what did she expect?". It's disappointing how many men in positions of power keep turning out to be disappointments. My hope is that if young men are raised to see and know that that kind of behavior is abhorrent and unacceptable, then maybe there will be fewer and fewer disappointments in the future, but I know there will sadly always be people raised in cruelty, or without any guidance, or surrounded by bad examples--I'm not giving people a pass because of a bad upbringing, but I acknowledge it's hard to be a good, moral person if you've never experienced one.

Anonymous

I think, forgiveness is very personal and it is not necessary for anything - especially if the rapist has not expressed any remorse. And I do not follow you down the line of the poor hurt man who is so broken he hurts others and needs our pity - people who consciously and with intend overstep emotional and bodily boundaries of other, less powerful persons do so for various reasons - most of them egocentric or a feeling of entitlement. Reducing this to " they have been wronged,too" gives too much leeway and focuses too much on the perpetrators not the victims ( see how in Germany they claimed the first wave of Nazis in the 80s to be " lost boys" instead of stopping that behaviour back then). But mostly I disagree with your use of the word " mistake". A mistake for me is something done without Better knowledge or impulsively. A rape is a crime, and done knowingly and intentionally. Describing it as a mistake is belittling and gives a lot of space for down-talking the consequences.

Anonymous

I see and acknowledge everyone here who's hurt by the concept of forgiving someone who's violated you so abhorrently. Your feelings are real, and you matter, and you don't have to try to feel anything different than you already do about the person who hurt you. That's between you and yourself, or your God if you have one. 💕 That said, I almost feel like there's a semantics issue here. If "forgiveness," as Amanda is using it, doesn't mean "condon[ing] or endors[ing], " if she'd still love "to see them punished and reformed," doesn't "wanna hang out with them, and ... wasn’t ever gonna invite them for Thanksgiving dinner," then it seems like forgiveness is in no way about lessening their responsibility or her own harm, but rather simply ... acknowledging something about how profoundly fucked up you have to be to commit sexual violence? Which I think we can all agree on. I would go so far as to say those of us upon whom sexual violence has been committed are also profoundly fucked up because of it, and most of us do not turn around and unleash that pain by committing sexual violence upon someone else, so we are especially unwilling/unable to extend compassion to the person who hurt us, because they couldn't even muster the basic humanity to keep their pain off of other people AS WE HAVE, and how fucking DARE they? I get that, 100%. I think what Amanda is saying is more just about understanding that society creates these monsters, by allowing people to do the sort of damage that makes a man into a rapist, and then by refusing to look at a rapist and demand he get his fucking act together, admit what he's done, and make reparations. But I'm not Amanda, so of course I can't say for sure. I'm just saying that's what I'm hearing, and what I choose to take from it. I find this far less hard to swallow than some earlier mistakes or poor judgments, honestly. It feels to me like it comes from the right place, or maybe I just have enough similar feelings that I'm able to fit it in alongside my own worldview. Again, all respect to anyone hurting; you don't have to fucking forgive ANYONE. Your healing can be complete without it, and your feelings are valid.

Anonymous

Also, I said this above but wanted to append it to my original comment: Maybe it's important to say that there are ... degrees? I hate that word, but we'll go with it ... of this. Like, obviously all sexual violence — from manipulation to coercion to the classic forcible rape in an alley trope — are bad, full stop, but maybe the "milder" ones are easier to recover from/forgive? Or maybe there's a spectrum of ability to recover from/forgive that intersects with that spectrum of "degree of sexual violence" in some way, but wherever you intersect with it is correct and valid. I feel gross even using words like "spectrum" or "mild" but I don't know how else to express this thought that's rattling around in my head.

Ashleigh M. Ferreira-Bartlett

Amanda posted my friend Sarah on her story yesterday so I know she is approved-- to my angry victims unable or unwilling to forgive: https://youtu.be/xkh2KBRPEVM?si=MuoCeLlaPrW_pmuJ

Josie Wall

There are two men who raped me, but I'm not sure either of them know it. One of them I forgave, I forgave him as he raped me, inside my head and bottled up the hurt when he was done and stayed in his bed. He was broken and drunk to the point of alcohol poisoning and I hope he doesn't remember it. We hurt each other a lot during our relationship and in the aftermath, but that act was the real end of it all, although I'm not sure it was the last time I lay in bed with him. It was proof positive that two fucked up kids who are horribly codependant shouldn't move in together at 18 and take a lot of drugs. He's a dad now, I hope he's healed. My other rapist wouldn't realise it because he always thought the world owed him something, that whatever he wanted, he should get. He probably thinks he's the victim of a cruel girlfriend who didn't understand his needs. He's probably out there controlling someone else, and I hope to god she runs away faster than I did. I've slept with 5 men. 2 raped me. One was just a kid and I was just a kid, and we weren't really ready when I lost my virginity to him but hey that's teenagers for you. One guy used our history together and our friendship of multiple years to be comfortable enough to have sex again after his own trauma and then dropped me for the girl he really wanted to date. Like a safety fuck. It broke my heart, but I can sort of see the sense in it now. I'm Facebook friends with both of them, bumped into one at an Amanda Palmer show. And one has never ever used sex as a weapon, has always been a caring and considerate lover, can't watch any TV with rape scenes, turns off films and stops reading books with too much sexual violence in them. I'm lying beside him now, have done for 13 years and hope to for the rest of my life. 5 men, 3 hurt me because they were hurt or thoughtless, 1 was just a bastard. (Side note, 5 women, 1 tried to push boundaries a bit, the others are all still my friends, I was a bridesmaid at ones wedding).

Teresa Toro

I returned to this thread to see what others wrote, and if I still felt the same. While I don't think cancel culture does anything in terms of healing, it does put the public on notice and other survivors and victims often learn they're not the only ones — which is still all too common a condition. I have been watching Neil DeGrasse Tyson return to the talk show circuit like nothing happened at all. Zero consequences. He's the most recently returned from exile but not the only, nor the last. And then I remembered author Junot Diaz, who was similarly canceled after it came to light that he'd assaulted several women. I just Googled and he too was quietly reinstated to just about everything. He claims to have done soul searching, and blames his behavior on being raped himself as a child ("The Legacy of Childhood Trauma" published by The New Yorker). While my heart goes out to a fellow childhood survivor, I would remind him that there are plenty of us who have managed to not grow to adulthood and turn to rape as an outlet — so, not an excuse. Diaz' targets were similarly unmoved by his revelations. In response to The New Yorker article, Carmen Maria Machado tweeted: Hi! Today, please meditate on how easily we accept women’s pain as collateral damage in men’s self-discovery. — Carmen Maria Machado (@carmenmmachado) April 10, 2018 And in fact this whole blog is worth a skim if not a read (apologies for the now-dated lack of NB language): https://brevity.wordpress.com/2018/06/06/literary-greatness-at-the-expense-of-female-suffering/ This also reminds me that the topic of rape is very different when we apply race and economic status. There are some people who are clearly more "forgivable" and also more of us who are in a better position from which to consider forgiveness. This isn't a level playing field — more like a minefield where all kinds of variables pop up. I find Diaz' case to be compelling because Black and Brown women are a significant demographic in rape and domestic violence statistics, but also often the most silenced. Their voices aren't in this thread either. Diaz' targets were, unfortunately for him, mostly writers — so incredibly articulate women who found just the right words. And then other women in the community came to support. Here's some of what they had to say. https://thegrio.com/2018/05/04/metoo-junot-diaz-accused/