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Today's episode takes a deep dive into two recent 8-1 decisions by the Supreme Court:  Collins v. Virginia and Sveen v. Melin.  What makes a decision nearly unanimous, and what causes that lone Justice to dissent?  Listen and find out!

Our first 8-1 case involves two unique aspects of the 4th Amendment:  the "curtilage" exception and the "automobile" exception.  Which one takes precedence, why, and which Supreme Court justice vehemently disagreed?  Find out if you agree with Thomas -- and whether the law is "a ass."  (Seriously!)

Our second 8-1 case is Sveen v. Melin, which involves whether the state of Missouri can legislate certain presumptions regarding "governing instruments."  It's the Contracts Clause!  Seem arcane?  It won't after you listen to our breakdown!

After that, we answer a fun listener question about how a law firm makes someone a partner in light of our assessment of the Eagan Avenatti law firm in Episode 181.

Finally, we end the answer to Thomas Takes The Bar Exam #80 regarding negligence per se and an impromptu ice rink.  Remember to follow our Twitter feed (@Openargs) and like our Facebook Page so that you too can play along with #TTTBE!

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Show Notes & Links

  1. Click here to read the Supreme Court's opinion in Collins v. Virginia, and here to check out Sveen v. Melin.
  2. The other decision Andrew referred to was the landmark case of Shelley v. Kraemer, 334 U.S. 1 (1948).

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JustAGuy

Why are you guys focusing on the distance in the bike case? Alito’s point rests on the fact that the officer “did not observe anything he could not see from the street” during his alleged violation of curtaledge. Which is objectively wrong because as Andrew stated before, he had to remove the cover off the motorbike to see it and confirm it was the suspect vehicle. Whether it could be moved, or where it was on the property seems moot considering that he actively entered said property and violated ‘reasonably expected privacy’ by removing the cover.

Anonymous

In addition to this I had a question as to the definition of “property” here. Your house’s property line doesn’t begin at the exterior wall or the front door (which was my problem with Thomas’ dropped wallet analogy). The property line extends to the easement of the street, which includes the driveway. In order to search the property (lift the bike cover) why wouldn’t an officer need a search warrant?

Anonymous

I love the Supreme Court Justice Smith / Guess Who Dissented segment. I want more :)