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FIRST TIME WATCHING: Band of Brothers S1E9 (Patreon)

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2024-02-06 17:00:09
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This one was a heavy one, but definitely appreciated. I've really enjoyed this show so much and look forward to wrapping it all up with you guys next week.


Thank you so much for your support here on Patreon. Until the next one, take care and stay golden!


LINK: https://youtu.be/WICQVPpFEKg 


Original Series: Band of Brothers

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Darryl Low

Happy Tuesday Nat. After reading your post, I'm entering this one with some trepidation. That was probably one of the best episodes of television ever Nat. No sensationalism, just the truth. Hard to watch, but the truth usually is. I agree with you Nat. It should be required viewing. I've visited Auschwitz as well, and it probably is the most sobering place on the planet. It needs to stand forever as a reminder. Thanks for this reaction today Nat 💛

E

Oh lordy. Looking forward to watching when I get home...

MertzRocks

Didn't think we'd be here so fast after pt8 Before going into it, I hoped you had your tissues handy. I also hope no one spoiled any part of this before you got here... ...and at 1:10, I knew that you knew. "Logline" was a dead giveaway. O well...

Jeff K

Such an amazing, important episode of television. One of the best hours of TV I've ever seen. It does have one very small, odd factual error though: the scene that bookends the episode, the opening title card says April 11. At the end, it returns to that same scene, and Nix says "Hitler's dead." Hitler died on April 30. It's such a strange detail to get wrong. Not that it detracts from the episode in the slightest, just always found it a little weird that a show that puts so much effort into accurately portraying the war would make that mistake.

Śéáń

Arg. I can't believe the logline gives away that fact. I understand that it's a major part of the episode, but it's such a gutpunch of a reveal to have happen when not expecting it.

Jeff K
>>128992915

Agreed. I think the episode title certainly at least HINTS at what the episode is gonna be about, but damn, you'd think they'd keep the logline at least mildly vague.

LightsCameraJake

of all the log lines you accidentally read lol. Learned that lesson from game of thrones. Who ever writes log lines for movies and shows needs to fired, for some reason in writing class they are never taught what a spoiler is.

Brian Campell

That was a tough one, very emotional. loved all the underlying storylines. Frank calling O'Keeffe by his real name, the German officer's wife at the end. The war is almost over, hang in there!!

Jeff K
>>128988228

Agree with you, it's absolutely one of the best episodes of TV ever made. It's also one of the most important.

Baggie Mark

Thank you Nat for allowing us to watch this with you. I agree that this show and specifically this episode should be required viewing for a lot of people, not just those who don't believe what happened, but also the younger generations that don't understand everything that went on during the war.

Ed Bartlett

I've seen this episode a dozen times, and every time it destroys me. As it should. The song the guys are singing while they were on the road is "Blood on the Risers" (to the tune of "Battle Hymn of the Republic"), and is still a favorite today among Airborne troops. It tells the story of a nervous young soldier on his first jump, and how it all goes horribly wrong. It's a classic example of military gallows humor, hence the chorus, "Gory, gory, what a hell of a way to die!" :)

Rosanne Stewart

Rough episode to watch. It still makes me cry, and I've watched this series multiple times. I'm sniffling and blowing my nose and then the prisoner points to where the women's camp is right down the railroad line and that wail he lets out makes me just burst into tears. And it's the only scene in the entire series where we see any emotion on Spiers' face other than anger or amusement. Poor Liebgott. It sucks that Webster wasn't doing the translation for this part, although it's certainly better drama for it to be Liebgott. Michael Fassbender was in that scene, too. His character doesn't speak German but Fassbender is fluent. I imagine he was there to assist with translation for the German actor playing the prisoner. And yes, Webster does speak German. As to why he stuck to English in that scene in the bakery, who knows. It might have been refusal to give that man the respect of speaking his language to him. Or that he needed to feel separate from him. Who knows. But I think EVERYONE in that town, apart from the very young or the very stupid, knew what was going on. They might not have known the most horrific details, but the guards and staff would have been in and out of every business in town and there's no way the gossip didn't spread. It was satisfying to watch them working to bury those bodies. Nixon was an alcoholic before he ever went to war, but the war certainly didn't help. I find it amusing, though, that he was so much of a snob about the quality of his booze that he kept passing up inferior bottles left and right until after the concentration camp scene. Then he was willing to drink whatever he could find. I LOVE the scene where they're driving past the German solders marching out. It was a brilliant bit of writing/direction to show Webster's tirade interspersed with Nixon looking stone-faced and bitter. These are two of the most educated men in Easy. Intellectual. They would take the widest view of the war and where most of the men regard it as just a series of tasks to get through so they can go home, Webster and Nixon are just angry at the futility and waste of it all. And finally, I am not excusing Nixon's wife for writing him a Dear John letter. She could have waited for him to get home. But I'm guessing she didn't take the dog she hated just to stick it to Nix. They had a child who was doubtless very attached to it.

Mike Hell

As others have said, this is the episode that hits the most. War is hell etc., but this kind of devastation and actual Evil with a capital E strikes a different nerve altogether. Great reaction, as usual.

Jeff K
>>128998045

Completely. I know that my grandfather experienced something similar, stumbling across a camp and liberating it, but it clearly haunted him for the rest of his life. He died when I was 14 so I never got a chance to talk to him about it (I ended up majoring in history, focusing on WW2 and the Holocaust in particular, so I would have loved to hear him tell some stories), but he only told my dad about it once, after he had a little too much to drink at the local bar, and according to my dad, that's literally the only time he ever heard him talk about that part of his service.

Jeff K
>>128997967

And on the note with Nix's dog: I mean, her taking it is a better option than her leaving it to starve or sticking it in the pound. (I know there are other options, like giving it to one of his friends or family members, but you know what I mean.)

Jeff K

Oh: I am also honestly surprised there didn't seem to be any recognition from Nat of Baby Tom Hardy. I realize it's a young, skinny version, but there's no mistaking that face***, even when he was about 30-40 pounds lighter than the Bane/Warrior version. (*** assuming we take his doppelganger, Logan Marshall-Green, out of the equation)

Stephen Knueppel

The ethnic cleansing that the Germans started was continued throughout Eastern Europe in particular. Jews were driven out of communities that they had been part of for centuries. But also many other minorities were driven out. Poles turned on Ukrainians in Poland and Ukrainians drove out Poles in Ukraine. Germans were disppossed all over Europe and driven out of the other countries. Ironically after the war Germany became the safest place for Jewish refugees. The Allies had to deal with close to 35 million refugees and it took years to get them resettled.

matthew h

Nat, so glad you made the decision to watch this series and that you're enjoying it. I'd like to suggest another short WW2 series, Five Came Back (2017). Its a 3 part Netflix documentary series about 5 of the top Hollywood directors who stopped their careers to volunteer during WW2. The real war footage and the stories of the films they made before and after the war is really interesting. The series doesn't seem to be well known but is very well done and follows a lot of what was covered in Band of Brothers. The 3 episodes are about an hour each.

Aldous Orwell

Naive and uninformed people will often make light of rhetoric that dehumanizes people that they disagree with or don't like, whether be it religious, racial, or even political. They have no real understanding of the inhumanity such rhetoric can lead to. It sends a shiver down my spine when I see that same kind of rhetoric being used in modern politics and geopolitics to describe the other side. It is almost like the mantra "never again" just meant "never again, until the next time"

Allan Rumberger

This episode makes me angrier every time I see it. The men who perpetrated that crime are virtually all gone now, as are almost all of the men who ended it, and most of the people who endured it. We're perilously close to these events falling out of living memory. The part that makes me increasingly angry is that with the loss of that memory, we're seeing a resurgence in the evil, hateful ideology that spawned it. I just can't fucking believe that we're having to contend with literal fucking Nazis in 2024. I just pray we don't have to relive the nightmare of WW2 to stop it this time.

Logan Kerlee

Ya'll I'm confused here. Where is she starting the show? At what point in the episode, I mean. It isn't at the start of the episode as the intro isn't included in the reaction. The episode begins with a dark scene without conversation. I really have no idea where she's beginning this one at. A little help, please!

Tomas

While presumably most Germans knew people were disappearing to somewhere, I can buy that everyday people generally didn't know exactly what happened to them. I mean, did the average American know exactly what was going on inside US military compounds, with the surrounding peppered with "shot on trespassing" signs? Or the situation in US concentration camps for Japanese US citizens? Hardly, and it wouldn't surprise me if the situation was the same with most if not all of these camps.

Anonymous

I was glad this episode approached the subject of responsibility and who knew. I am old enough that almost every adult in my life participated in the war in Europe, one of whom toured the camps with Eisenhower, and this is what I heard when I was old enough to ask questions about it: anybody who didn’t know, didn’t want to. Now that I’m older (61) and with a degree in History, I come to the same conclusion every time I revisit this issue, and three characters in this episode illustrate why. The woman whose house Nixon went in looking for his booze (who we saw at the end cleaning up the bodies in her red coat), the man cleaning up bodies who suddenly (and conveniently) starts crying when he sees Nixon looking at him, and the baker Webster threatens, all represent (at best) a willful ignorance of adult Germans at this time, especially the baker. This camp was in Germany, so many who worked there probably spent quite a bit of time in town and there would have been soldiers from that camp, and some of their families, in and out of his shop on a regular basis. The same goes for any seamstress, shoemaker, banker, dentist, or other service businesses in that town, so what was happening there could not have been a total mystery. Add to that the previous two decades in Germany that started with Hitler writing Mein Kampf while in prison for a failed coup in 1925, the Nazis coming to power after the 1932 election, the Nuremberg Race Laws in 1935, and Kristallnacht (night of broken glass), when Jewish shops, schools, hospitals, synagogues, and homes across Germany were ransacked, looted, and smashed by Nazi thugs in 1938. Kristallnacht is also what many historians consider to be the start of the Holocaust since it coincided with 30,000 Jewish men in Germany and Austria arrested and shipped to concentration camps, the first of what would be millions. This was a process that every adult German, including the ones in this episode, would have watched happen as it completely changed middle and upper-middle-class neighborhoods and business districts. That’s not to condemn all Germans (half my DNA originated there), obviously, but the reality is, yes, that if you were an adult in Germany in 1945 who didn’t know horrible things had been and were being done to Jews, you simply didn’t want to know.

Allan Rumberger
>>129006801

Wherever she's streaming this from is showing a "previously on" thing at the start of each episode. She always calls out when the HBO logo starts, so I just queue up and wait for that, then sync up best I can while the inteo music plays (in this case, after the interview segment instead of before).

Rosanne Stewart
>>129006801

There's a recap of the previous episode at the beginning that she watches. Then you'll see the little screen light up when the HBO logo comes on and then the episode begins.

Rosanne Stewart
>>129013675

I think that was very well true of a lot of people in cities. Their Jewish neighbors disappeared and they might have assumed deportation or prison or work camps, not genocide. And there might have been a lot of smaller towns that didn't even have much of a Jewish population to begin with. But a town just a couple of miles outside a camp? Where the guards and staff from the camp were patronizing the businesses and even some of them living there themselves? They knew. They might not have known the most horrific details, but they knew what was happening.

Nick Freer

I really hope Natalie gets to watch the Pacific at some point after this

Giancarlo Ubaldino
>>128998045

I had a friend who fought in WWII (he was much older than me), and he was involved in liberating Bergen-Belson. Although we talked about his experiences in the war, I specifically never asked him about the camp, I was curious but was afraid of bringing up especially bad memories. But one day he told me about it, and it was horrifying. I'll never forget what he told me.

Tomas
>>129013675

True, the particular example in the show does make it seem unlikely that they had no idea.

Chris H
>>128998973

I don't think she commented on Michael Fassbender either.

Jeff K
>>129006801

Yeah, it had been throwing me off the last few episodes since mine didn't have any recap. I'm grateful Nat included the picture in picture of what she was seeing in this one at the start, because the last couple it was just her sitting silently for 90 seconds or so and... it was hard to figure out what was going on or what she was looking at.

Anthony Curione

Need to do The Pacific and Masters of the Air

Keith Jacobsen

Thanks for powering through this one Nat, I know it's personal for you.

Joe D. MacGuffinstuff

Always a tough watch this episode. I was stationed in Germany when I was in the Army and our CO, a really good officer by the way, organized a trip for our unit to visit to the Dachau Concentration Camp. It was physically painful for me, I've never been anywhere else that made me feel that much sadness, it was literally in the air. I agree, this show should be required viewing in high school history classes. People need to be reminded, because sadly it can absolutely happen again, people forget the lessons of history, especially as soon as those who've experienced it have passed on.

Alvin Everett

Are you gonna react to The Marvels?

Anonymous

I’m sure this has been mentioned, but you should check out the documentary We Stand Alone Together after this! It is where all of the interviews at the beginning of the episodes are pulled from.

Anonymous
>>129081663

And Ron Livingstone's (Nixon's) video diary. He meets Nix's wife and we see the bootcamp they all went through.

Jeff K
>>129081663

On that Ron Livingston note: holy hell, if y'all haven't already, do yourselves a favor and google what the real Nix looked like. There's a legitimately strong resemblance in some of the photos that come up.

Ian

man that was tough im not ok rn bless you nat for keeping it kinda together , seeing you so upset is hard to watch ngl hugs

Jimmie V

Nat, You mentioned this being required viewing to help people people of these atrocities, and so I'd like do add on to that and say "Night and Fog" is an absolute MUST see film for the same reasons. Anybody trying to deny this stuff would have a hard time explaining how a low-budget French film from the '50s somehow managed to make this look more real than even contemporary productions. It's a documentary about the camps and also happens to be the very first film to EVER take on this topic. It's a relatively short watch too which makes it perfect for a classroom (though it uses ONLY real footage so it's much tougher to stomach than the dramatizations here).

Dennis Macko

It was and is a welcome excuse for Germans to say: We didn't know anything. Fact is they knew. They may be not knewing every detail, but they knew. I'm german and live in a little village near the dutch border. We didn't have any concentration camps here, but nearby an institution in which physically and mentally disabled children were tortured and murdered. Everyone knew this and no one cared. Sad facts.

George Baxter

Lot of Tom Hardy and Michael Fassbender in this episode. I can see why Nat wouldn't notice...