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#239 - Beyond Chutzpah (Patreon)

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2021-05-31 01:29:06
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2024-06

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Our Superdelegate patrons have made a selection, and they couldn't have picked a spikier topic if they'd tried! AMERICAN RADICAL: THE TRIALS OF NORMAN FINKELSTEIN (2009) captures Finkelstein -- academic, writer, and outspoken critic of Israel -- while he's in the midst of a war with Alan Dershowitz. The documentary gives us opportunity to discuss Finkelstein's incendiary rhetorical style and to wade into the fraught issue of "cancel culture." PLUS: we discuss two of the key films of our time (Paul Schrader's The Canyons and Christopher Nolan's Tenet), eroding voting rights in the United States, and a recent rebuttal to Luke from no less than David Frum!

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Alex McPhail

Tone-policing a man whose holocaust survivor parents were publicly accused of being kapos, who was taking what was at the time a literally unthinkable, career-ending moral stance in favour of people who have been living under military occupation for decades (in Gaza, half of the children have no will to live, psychologists have argued that the term "post-traumatic stress" cannot apply to the Gazan situation because there is no post- to the stress, virtually the entire Palestinian population at this point is first-, second-, or third-, etc. generation refugees, and so on) does not seem like the proper way to approach the topic. When you mentioned in a previous episode that you weren't going to say much about Palestine because others had already spoken about it far better, I wish that had been the last word. I've been a fan for a long time, and I'll obviously still listen, but semi-ironic conversations about tone applied to the Palestinian situation are jarringly out of place. As South-African anti-apartheid activists have said, the main difference between the South African and Palestinian situation is that the Apartheid government wasn't regularly bombing, shooting, or dropping internationally banned munitions on the "coloured" population. The horror of that should be reckoned with directly, not immediately diverted into metadiscussions on the proper way someone else should be talking about it.

Michael and Us
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In case it wasn't clear, I have enormous respect for Finkelstein. I've also been attending Palestinian solidarity actions for years and am proud to work at one of the only magazines in the United States to have consistently supported the Palestinian struggle for dignity and self-determination. The discussion you're referring to was an attempt to get into why events like the one depicted in the film (which I attended several of in university) are always so contentious and to consider the implications of Finkelstein's indefatigable approach . If you feel we didn't get it right, I apologize (it was certainly not intended as an effort in "tone policing"). But you can consider it safe to assume that my outrage about the oppression and brutality inflicted on the Palestinians is axiomatic. - Luke

a11b3d0

Listening to some old eps, feel like I have to correct the record for Norm. For many, his defining moment was berating a Jewish girl into tears during a college speaking tour, but that's not what happened. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RO2CJtHFFOc He explains (above) and you can actually hear her say (below) that she was offended as a person of *German* descent whose family "suffered under Nazi rule." https://youtu.be/Ef9P5MNP0T8 Completely transforms the dynamic of the exchange. Knowing that his most abrasive, extreme moment actually wasn't out-of-bounds softens his character I think. He wasn't punching down, Norm innocent.