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[Reality] Kingdom Ep 7 Reaction (Patreon)

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2021-05-16 04:51:46
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2021-08

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Ok back to the competition... that honestly doesn't even feel like a competition anymore with all the fanboying LOL Love that tho!

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This is "kingdom_7" by Jeff Avenue on Vimeo, the home for high quality videos and the people who love them.

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Sandy Cai

Yesss! Finally, can't wait to watch this!

Brooke Curren

Usually for competitions like this they have a live audience of just average people(usually just fans or people that are interested in the show) as judges, so I feel like they brought in the younger groups as kinda a replacement for that since we can't have big audiences like that yet cause of covid. And honestly I feel like having the younger groups take that place is much better than a live audience, as the live audience's usually have a bias towards certain artists no matter what. Also like what you said, even though these younger groups haven't been around that long, they still went through the training process and are idols that understand performances and the difficulty of them. And I would take them being judges any day over a 14 year old on twitter that hasn't danced or sung a day in their life lol

eve_ss

Not against the rookie groups who served as special judges on this episode BUT on the show's decision of having them to be the judges at this point of competition. These unit stages were the ultimate battle of expertise (rap, dance, vocals), it's what they are best at! So ofcourse we also expect that the show would choose the right judges for this round. Is it really that hard? I mean, you expect these groups to deliver amazing stages for all of us but you can't even provide enough professionals to have as their judges? Not even ONE rap expert seriously? I'm just glad they include some veterans like Lia Kim, Donghae and Shindong (Super Junior) and the rest. Cause personally, it's just unfair knowing that some of these Rookies are avid fans of some groups here (as I've heard?). Now, some would say a person could still be fair in judging even though they have their own biases, of course they could and that is called being professional. But like what Jeff also said, I don't think they're qualified yet to be a judge especially with this big of a show. Again, not against the rookies themselves. I respect their professional experience in the field, training period, talent and their hard work. It's not their fault and I'm on the decision of the show. It's like the show were setting them up to be screwed by netizens for whatever the results may be in the end. and that's not good. Additionally, another problem that could arise from here is that winning of a group would be invalidated by netizens/ fans because again, not all the judges were qualified and they would receive backlash for sure even though it's also not their fault. And that's sad because to be honest both groups did so well and both are deserving so whoever wins I think it's still good.

AH

while I feel like the jutaehyuk unit wasn't exactly cohesive as a group their individual fan cams are amazing lol

Joanne Elizabeth

the letters F, S & H are capitalized in "Full daSH" IT IS BECAUSE full dash is pronounced as 'pul daesi' in korean and it sounds like Fuck that SHit , Bobby is a wordsmith of the highest capacity

eve_ss

For the rap unit battle, no doubt both groups did so well. So it's really hard to choose. MayFly did a full-on PERFORMANCE (rap, sing, dance, production) it was epic, grand, and awesome! I love the song too! I'm happy that you mentioned MINHYUK especially because tbh I feel like he's an underrated rapper. He's so good! 3RACHA and HONGJOONG did so well too ofc. When they said " We bleed the same colour" I FELT THAT! ❤ Their whole concept was so great. I could already see this being performed in shows like MAMA! 👏🏻 It's One did a full-on HIP-HOP, and like what you said as well it feels like underground rap! Almost like SMTM tbh. More than anything, I'm just happy that SUNWOO and HWIYOUNG got to do what they've always wanted through this collab alongside BOBBY. Also, I would like to praise BOBBY for making this song and helping SUNWOO and HWIYOUNG with their parts. He didn't even have his own verse here. He just wants to let his hoobaes to have fun on stage and have freedom which is so nice. I love the dynamics and balance too! The song's about 'young ppl having freedom' which is nice and so hip! 🔥 But again, like what I've said, both teams did great, so in the end it really comes down to your own preference. Considering that this is a rap battle I believe the focus should be on the rap. And with that said, I would say I prefer It's One for this round. (personal opinion) Personally, I don't really listen to a lot of rap songs but these two, I enjoyed it a lot! Like for real, just give them mics no choreo, no everything just them rapping I feel like I would still enjoy both songs! Hopefully, we get the studio versions soon! 🙏🏻

Sandy Cai
>>59923980

Rhymer the CEO of BNM (Brand New Music) is a rapper and his company is known for hip hop

eve_ss
>>59925325

Right! Tbh when they show the preview from last week, I swear I heard them saying F** D** SH*** but then I was like how did they allow that to air? HAHA and then I found out that it's actually Full DaSH. 😂

Joanne Elizabeth

Jeff you should watch Yootaeyang's solo dance vids that are all available on youtube , he's a magnificent , beautiful , graceful dancer , absolutely exceptional talent .

Anonymous

bobby: since your in a group you can't always do what you want Sunwoo: i really like hiphop and i like to right honest lyrics, but our concept is boyish i like it but ive been longing for a performance like this.. Hwiyoung: i dint have many opportunities to show to the public the style i like, in order to like this music i make i decidè to join the rappers unit That's why bobby din't write his own verse and stepback to let his juniors shinee since they don't have chance to do what they want while bobby is been doing hiphop rapping since trainee days..😭 bobby is the man

wystopia

i don't even WANT to rank the performances, seeing them collaborate with each other and have fun just makes me so happy

Kiwi Space

If two groups compete with similar/same style, it's basically a matter of who did it better. However, if two groups compete with different styles, it's gonna be a matter of taste. I really can't bring myself to rank, like how can you when you see the overflowing comradeship? My winner predictions: Mayfly(Rap), It's One(Dance)(Note: Have you noticed that when someone does a Korean theme, majority of the time it wins?) and lastly Mayfly for vocals. P.S: I also noticed the difference in chemistry between the teams. Team Mayfly seem to have more chemistry or a closer bond than team It's One. Maybe it's because they were just the last team to be put together with no chose(?) I don't know. (Note: Not say saying team It's One have no chemistry at all, it's just team Mayfly is just more prominent in that area. )

EZDC
>>59926010

Now that you mentioned, Bobby actually doesn't have a verse huh? Didn't realize it TBH. Whoa

Anonymous

this whole global fan voting just isn’t it. it’s supposed to be a competition about performance and not about who has the biggest fandom. if they were going to add fan voting then they should’ve @ least made it a smaller percentage of the criteria not a whole 50% because even the views are influenced by each groups fans as well. this is not me hating on any group I really do enjoy every performance but I wish it was judged only by professionals and not by people who will always vote for their biased group even if another group did better :/

Anonymous

Regarding your question about JYP's public amenities, they do have a JYP Soul Cup Cafe on the ground floor of the JYP building and it used to be open to the public up until last year. Since covid hit, they had to close it and they also had recently renovated that cafe and it's only open for JYP employees now, I believe. JYPE /does/ have another Soul Cup Cafe at Lotte World Mall if you wanna go check that place out! JYP's organic cafeteria is also only for the employees and trainees unfortunately! which is too bad cause the food looks really good and they're supposedly 100% organic

Teriana Eady

Off topic but yes plz react to treasure map!!

Anonymous

Also I agree with you that listening-wise, I liked It's One's stage more. While skill-wise and lyrics-wise, I feel like Mayfly's team did better. So it really comes down to what the people judging are looking for in a rap performance. So while I'm more likely to add It's One's song into my playlist, I also gotta give props to Mayfly for giving every member enough of a spotlight to really show off their individual styles and skills while also being able to look like a cohesive team

eve_ss

LOL I just noticed that BOBBY did cursed on the live stage performance. You can hear it clearly on the full fancam version in Mnet but it was censored in the official full video. It was lit I must say. HAHA

Izak

If it wasn’t for COVID it would have been basically 80% random people off the street and fans who have probably never performed a day in their lives voting for this competition so tbh I’m not upset about these special judges at all. I feel like people are making the competition a lot more serious than it was meant to be and mnet was planning for it to be, i think this is the first competition show where they have gone out of there way to do this much and get all these experts, even on produce 101 rankings that actually mattered all came from viewers and not experts, even queedom and rtk was not this serious you know

Ashley

Its one stage for the rap was my favorite I liked the message and the performance it was lit such a shame that it didn't have a live audience, I just wish the panel for this unit were rappers because they could actually critique. Their's was a true definition of rap.

LisMM
>>59923398

Yes yes yes 👏🏼. Finally someone said it. I was getting genuinely annoyed at all the people going off in the yt comments and stuff about how they weren’t qualified to be “judges”. That’s so clearly not their purpose here. Personally I think it’s lovely that there was kind of a live audience and that the rookie groups also got to have some fun watching their sunbaes.

Doyoungismyult

The younger idols I believe represent the live audience 🥰

Victoria
>>59928986

it was about rap but that doesn't mean it has to just be about rap. you can do whatever you want. mayfly had the whole package but at the end of the day they were both great

May
>>59927617

I wish they had the fanvotes as just around 30% but regardless of the votes all these groups are so good and deserve to win. I just hope that the group that does win won't get too much hate.

Doyoungismyult

Just so you know Jeff...Shindong...is a choreographer. He got into SM because of dance and he has choreographed and directed several things in Sm

Doyoungismyult
>>59928590

Just curious if you are Korean? Both rap teams had phenomenal word play and lyrics. I watched several Korean reactions to the stages and they said that sunwoo and hwiyoungs word play was insane. The amount of things they had to dissect to understand....same with mayfly team 🥰

Doyoungismyult

I also think the that DK, Taeyang, and Juyeons performance was perfection. There different dance styles fit perfectly because they were representing 3 different emotions. If they were all the same then it would make no sense.

Anonymous

I’m also not sure why It‘s the One team chose to keep their Rap and Dance units so small (Vocal unit will have more members). I understand why iKON didn’t send more members since Bobby is the only rapper (miss Hanbin) and for dance the second strongest dancer would be Jinhwan but as a main vocal he joined the vocal team. For SF9 they sent their sub rapper instead of main rapper Zuho or lead rapper Youngbin. Also SF9 has a strong 3 member dance line with Taeyang, Youngbin and maknae Chani. For The Boyz I was sure that they would send only Sunwoo for rap but I was expecting Q to join Juyeon in the dance team. I think for rap Mayfly did better but I guess it’s just personal taste. I’m happy how shocked everyone is by how good Minhyuk is, many do not know that before making his debut as a idol he was active as a underground rapper in a team with Block B‘s Zico and Park Kyung. Also Mayfly team is just too cute with all of them fanboying over Minhyuk (I recommend watching their 120s Eyecontact video on YouTube and you’ll know what I’m talking about). For once Chan got to be babied by a hyung instead of him being the oldest. About JuTaeHyuk not having enough chemistry is mainly because they are all introverts (not 100% sure) and they had no real ice breaker in the team. I think it’s funny how usually teams with smaller age gaps would be less awkward but out of all the teams they had the smallest age gap yet they are the most awkward, I guess they were missing a big hyung who could take the lead (like how BtoB does). Edit: Did you notice how Bobby completely stepped back and gave the main verses to his hoobaes to give them a chance to proof themselves? Bobby can do way more than what he showed here but he decided to give Hwiyoung and Sunwoo the spotlight

mina

fyi if you didn't realise Team B rap team . So the title is "FULL DaSH" which written in Korean is 풀대시 which in turn sounds like "f/ck that sh/t". Also following Bobby's solo album naming style (Konglish) basically FULL DaSH >>f/ck dat sh/t".

BaoziBang

There is a lot of critism again the Mayfly Team online that I don't get, but there is one thing I agree with. The It's one Rap Team felt like a Rap Performance by Rappers the Dance Team like a real Dance Performance... The Mayfly Team Stages reminded me of Special Collabs for MAMA. it's Idols doing Idol stuff. Which is totally fine but it seems really underwhelming to me after the It's one Team goes first.

Madie Lee

It's One Rap unit is awesome. I really want a studio version on Spotify. Plus pure hearted Bobby really did make his Hoobaes shine. He stepped back a little to give them the spotlight. I adore him. It might be just my personal taste as well. They won for me. Its one Dance unit is superb too. Very original. The performance is captivating and they showed individuality with their dance. Though the music doesn't have lyrics they convey the story with their movements. About the rookie judges, I was surprised too. I like the CEO and Lia Kim and Suju and all the other special judges line up but I also questioned why there are judges that are juniors?

Anonymous
>>59932462

Yes and he‘s a mv director and performance director so he knows what it takes to leave a impact. I feel like they didn’t introduce them enough for international audiences who may not know them. Like how people think that there was no professional there to judge the rap performance when Rhymer is in fact a Rapper and his label focuses on HipHop. I guess the production team just believed that there was no need to introduce them more since everyone should know who they are

Anonymous
>>59934190

I guess they replaced the live audience. In that way it’s actually better to have them since they would be less biased than the live audience

Anonymous

Oh yeah I’m not sure if the concept of JuTaeHyuk was explained enough. The three represented King Yeonsangun the 10th King of Joseon. Yeonsangun is often depicted as the worst tyrant in Koreas history. In his early years he was seen as a wise king who helped the poor but he had always shown signs of his violent side. Later when he found out what happened to his birth mother he literally went crazy. He caused two big literati purges in which many scholars died. In the end he was dethroned and sent to exile. Yeonsangun died only few weeks after going into exile, meanwhile all of his sons were forced to take their own life‘s. Juyeon showed Yeonsangun‘s love for entertainment (he seized over a thousand women from all the provinces to serve as palace entertainers and concubines). Taeyang showed his violent side the tyrant. Like I mentioned King Yeonsangun was a very violent king. Last but not least Donghyuk represented how Yeonsangun basically went crazy after he found out what caused his mothers death. I think that they told the story very clearly so this is just some deeper information on the performance

eve_ss

Okay first of all, this comment would be so random. So yeah sorry about that I guess. Hahaha so to start, just to share with you Jeff, TAEYANG is a big fan of EXO. His role model has always been KAI. He's the unofficial president of EXO-L. HAHA He's like always one of the first idols who released covers and post their support whenever EXO has a comeback. ❤ To add, I mean he has his own identity with his dancing ofc, but it's evident too that it has some influence from his role model which is so nice to see. ☺️ And with that, seeing the MayFly team doing Exo's Wolf, I'm very much wondering what's the reaction of TAEYANG 😂 I guess win or lose he would still be happy. HAHA oh and by the way, just to add a FUN FACT: *BtoB* debuted on the same year with *EXO* (2012). Like as a fan since 2nd gen, just imagine my excitement when I found out that they will be doing WOLF. My heart omg. 🥰

Madie Lee
>>59934910

I love how they told the story only with movements. It's one performance is really beautiful

LisMM

Really long comment incoming: ⚡️Full DaSH⚡️Bobby•Hwiyoung•Sunwoo - my favourite performance out of the 4 we had today. The other teams where having fun but these guys were seriously, genuinely ENJOYING themselves on stage. I can’t praise Bobby enough for relieving the tension for Hwiyoung and Sunwoo (who for once didn’t have to overcome some freaking “fear” for a performance thank goodness) - The camaraderie was the strongest in this stage too. The matching shoes. Representing the fandoms as well.. I loved seeing them hype each other up for each others verses. Hwiyoung’s “Sunwoo lessgetit!” and the goofy little dance moves to match the lyrics,them smearing paint on each other like nobody’s business at the end.. - When Hwiyoung shared his mic with Bobby it was so damn cool. The two different autotune audio feeds then overlapping was genius. - Great wordplay in the title already. Most of the songs on Bobby’s newest album “Lucky Man” are titled in this manner too. Thought that was fun to point out ^^ - I really want the mixed and mastered version of this on Apple Music asap. This is definitely going in my personal “FXXK IT” playlist.. 🎨Playing With Paint🎨 3RACHA • HUTA • Hongjoong - Great message. The lyrical payoffs in this song were great. - Personally my favourite parts had to be Han’s verse and the moment Minhyuk went “Shhh” - Just adding that little bit of choreo during the hook added a lot of impact (i see u bbtrippin reusing that BAD SAD MAD choreo 👀) - The end of the song was so hyped and colourful. Amazing🌈 - Hongjoong being so happy and excited after the performance made me smile so much. Can I just say though... this guy’s fashion?! You can clearly see how interested he is in it by the different ways he dresses. Also during Ateez behind the scenes stuff. I sense a 4th gen Mino coming.. Which song won for me? Full DaSH > I genuinely wish this performance won😢It felt like a hiphop stage. The vibe was much more freespirited and made me want to jump around with them whereas the other team, although also cool, felt more uniform and like a performance i had to _watch_ not “join in on” . Idk how to really put it into words. I do understand however, looking from a performer’s point of view, how Mayfly’s stage had more “impact” and therefore won. 🐺Wolf🐺 Mayfly As a whole I sadly didn’t like the performance. Maybe it’s because the original is too iconic. But probably because this just didn’t feel like a _dance_ performance to me. It was just like any other kingdom stage...But without mics 😐 There were a-lot of moments where the “impact” of the choreo was lost due to the chosen centre for that part. Like, i get that you want everyone to have a moment to prevent fans complaining (but in the group choreo moments i would have loved to replace Felix with Lee Know and Peniel with Seonghwa when they were respectively the centre) Certain parts however, i loved: - During Yeosang’s solo bit his musicality is so freakishly on point its insane (2:35) - San’s facial expressions. Holy crap this guy is terrifying. I personally dislike it when ppl lipsync to a song they’re dancing to, (a little bit is fine but all the time?.. it just feels kinda off idk) and he didn’t so that’s great. - They kept the original wolf ear choreo. Gotta love that. ^^ - The Woolix jump. I can’t imagine how damn sore Wooyoung’s thighs are after practicing that over and over again 😳 👑King and Queen👑 JuTaeHyuk - The intro was A*** the way they all jumped down like that. - The performance lacked momentum at points. Due to there only being 3 members, while trying to utilize as much stage area as possible, it resulted in too many “traveling moments” on camera (the other group could mask this since they had more members to jump focus between) I personally feel like they should either have kept the performance more compact or at least added a few more members like Chani, Q or Eric. - I definitely felt like quite a few of the camera movements did not highlight the choreography well either (especially after watching some fancams and the fullcam ver.) - I enjoyed the traditional Korean elements in music, costume design and choreography a lot. Overall, neither of these two stages really “wowed” me. I enjoyed the overall storyline and style of Jutaehyuk more but found Mayfly to be more engaging with a better flow (even though there were more parts in this performance that felt kinda messy to me) So I think I’d choose Mayfly for this one. But only by a small margin. I’ve been most looking forward to the vocal stages so I can’t wait for next week! And the trailer for the group’s solo stages?!! 😱😱 SF9 are going to be the death of me goodness gracious.

LisMM
>>59924640

Yep. I watched all three and was just left speechless. It made me appreciate their performance a lot more.

Estherlynn Lubin

Yes like you said it’s subjective. I wish ranking was only for us and not actually part of the show. All the groups are doing great and I’m left speechless every week even though I only really know iKON. This week is really tough cuz each unit is different😭 I agree with you that Mayfly rap unit’s performance was grand but sonically, ITS One was better for me. I based it on which one would I play in the car on a regular. As for dance, I loved both as well and haven’t decided yet, but I’m leaning on the first one only because of the after effects it had on me. Man when Felix jumped I was so scared 😱

LisMM
>>59936139

Wooyoung’s thighs must be blue lol. I can’t imagine how many times they had to practice that 😳

RedL

I'm living for the Mayfly interactions, specially the dance unit. I think they are really comfortable with each other during training and that really translates to confidence in their actual performance. That's definitely a performance that I will watch over and over again. But I got to be honest, in that dance performance, ATEEZ really stood out for me. Their facial expressions and their energy are just impeccable. On the rap unit, I can say that It's One really highlighted their skills in rapping, but Mayfly has a more complete stage. And also Jeff, Minhyuk was active in the underground hiphop scene before he became an idol. His rapping skills is definitely SMTM worthy and what he showed in that performance is just 1% of it. I hope we can see more of his skills in KD. This is really a difficult episode to judge, but I'll go for Mayfly!

Madie Lee

Hey Jeff! Just a little bit of information, Shindong is a choreographer too not just for super junior but other SM groups as well. He also directed super shows for suju, mv direction as well for SM artists. So I really love his input in Its One's performance. He saw the individual skills of each dancer :)

eve_ss
>>59937489

That's right! He's also the stage director for most of SM STAGE and Beyond Live performances. ☺️👏🏻

Madie Lee

Little update on It's one rap unit Debut Song Full daSH hit number 1 on the K-HipHop Charts. I'm just so happy! It's One fighting! Proud of these boys! https://twitter.com/Genius_kor/status/1393635436254224385?s=19

Anonymous

Out of all 4 performances, JuTaeHyuk was my personal favorite. But all were AMAZING in their own ways. I was like you Jeff, not really being into rap before I discovered K-pop. At first I actually was having trouble getting into the sound of K-pop with all the rapping parts, but my love for watching the dancing eventually got me used to it, and now I do appreciate the rap parts, although it's honestly mostly still my least favorite parts of the songs. BUT there is of course exceptions, Stray Kids in general having a lot of thoose exceptions, and Sunwoo's parts in The Boyz music, I enjoyed both raps more than I thought I would 😉💕

Anonymous

Full DaSH is actually a diss rap. this song is masterpiece. i need this song on spotify. And the fact that bobby step back and decided not to take a single verse in this song and give sunwoo and hwiyoung a chance to do stage that they dream and prove that they have a high quality of rap. It makes my heart warm. sunwoo and hwiyoung is really shinee on this performance. This team work is solid. I love this team so much. They are the winner for me. And congratulation for full DaSH debut as #1 chart under K-hiphop categories in genius korea

Alma U

I love Bobby's rapping so for me his rap/style overpowers their rap performance for this round but not a bad thing, I think it was really goood and I'm totally a Sunwoo stan now and I don't even know the boyz's music that well. I could tell that sunwoo and the sf9 member do not have experience with their own rap so they needed more guidance (vs, 3racha and hongjoon all have experience with their own rap more). In terms of listening I’d rather listen to It’s One over and over again, but if I had to choose what concert to pay for I’d choose 5RACHA because of the performance vibes. Also I would’ve liked less random newer idols and more experts in the voting because I feel like the #votes the younger idols have could overpower the experts and that would be messed up. Also,I feel like the younger idols might know, like personally, the younger kingdom idols or they may admired them and be more bias towards them, especially if these are more popular groups online, thus favoring them regardless of their performance. Also I'd need more rap judges to trust their voting more for this round. In terms of Mayfly though, their chemistry is out of this world, I was honestly not expecting this much chemistry and agreement (like Hongjoon said, their artistry is pretty strong -somewhat similar, though 3RACHA is more rap-genius and has more experience I'd say, that they could totally bump heads and disagree or feel overpowered ) That being said I think ATEEZ knew what they were doing when they picked and just having the choice to pick their team gave them an advantage in that. Performance wise, I did not feel impacted by It’s One, I definitely think it is preference because i just didn’t enjoy it. I think you can def feel SF9’s stress (I don’t know how to explain it), I think their members are showing up more honest about their stress and it is fine, and human, and I honestly admire them for it, but I think it affects their chemistry. I didn’t realize other teams had so many introverts lol (as an atiny, I am so used to funny, and very open, comfortable artists I think and that’s why I love them, so seeing other groups be very quiet and respectful around each other to the point that it makes it hard for their chemistry to shine feels weird lol and ateez also has three introverts haha) BUT I think we might see that same awkwardness when there’s only 3 of them lol like in their vocal line. I am also very upset that SF9, THE BOYZ AND IKON DID NOT send more members for performance, unless they have an incredible vocal performance for the amount of members, and honestly win next round, I will feel like they wasted an opportunity (but i could see they would phase the same issue of synchronicity as mayfly). I wonder if it’s because of their schedules, but like whyyyyyyy, this same performance with more members would've been much better for me. I do not like wolf by EXO, I’m sorry, that is def preference and judgment about that song. BUT OF COURSE, I think Mayfly should win that round. I know I am bias, but watching ateez perform with stray kids is such a gift to atiny, something about these two groups is so impactful, maybe it’s all the fandom drama, competition, that their teams have both gone through so much pain recently, but seeing them unite felt like delight and ah i love peniel (check out his podcast with bm and ashley lol).

Camylle Val

it’s so difficult to rank performances that different... rumors say that mayfly are winning the whole round, so the iT’S ONE teams cannot win KINGDOM I guess... just hope the mental state of the groups involved isn’t too affected...

Camylle Val
>>59944718

yes, BOBBY’s identity was everywhere in this stage, as a fan of his work and having listened to all his solo work, it is obvious, but Sunwoo and Hwiyoung blended well in it and they had their time to shine and it seems that all of them enjoyed the stage so it’s cool

Anonymous

I really think the order affected the outcome for these performances...like if the rap performances were switched I wonder if the results would be diff. but rn I'm just dyingggg to see the vocal units!!

Layla123
>>59933833

I kind of agree, this puts into words what I felt about the difference in approach. I don't mean either approach was necessarily 'wrong' and both teams still did great, but there was definitely a difference in the way it was conceptualised I feel and while my personal preference is with the It's One team, it's interesting to see how they all interpreted the requirements of this round somewhat differently.

Lynossa

For me both teams show different style of performance. It’s One’s rap shows true hip hop style, the kind of performance you might see in hip hop artists performance. Free expression on stage, playful double meaning words, and just having fun on stage. Mayfly stage is very idol performance. It’s grand, it’s impactful and has straighforward message. The same applies for dance stage. It’s One stage feels like contemporary dance show with high level of difficulty; graceful movement, small yet intricate movement and since there are only there of them and they perform individually at times, there is no room for even the smallest error. Meanwhile Mayfly is what great from idol dance performance: synchronized dance, clear concept and one big highlight moment. So it seems that It’s One team branches out from their Idol roots (understandable especially for rap stage as Bobby is among the rappers from idol groups who broke the stereotype) meanwhile Mayfly embraces the idol identity and utilizes it to their advantage. Personally I like It’s One stages more because they show different stages for what we’ve seen so far. My fav is of course Full Dash; the lyric is so witty, Sunwoo and Hwiyoung managed to do something they have never done before and enjoyed the stage so much. In vlive Bobby mentioned (jokingly) that he wasn’t planning to do the rap and would let Chanwoo do it but he was energized by Sunwoo and Hwiyoung’s thirst for rap that he created the beat for them.

Anonymous

I’m so glad TBZ were paired up with iKON for this round because it looked like they needed to relax, they’ve been so stressed and their stages have been crazy. They’ve been constantly trying to outdo their performances every week which can be exhausting! When I think back to RTK compared to Kingdom, even though there was eliminations in RTK, TBZ looked like they were having more fun competing during this show? Idk it's just an observation.. But this is why I'm happy TBZ were paired up with iKON. Sunwoo looked so carefree and happy performing! He needed that breather. Bobby gave both him and Hwiyoung the platform to say what they wanted to say on stage and taught them to just HAVE FUN without worrying too much about the competition! Bobby: "Just turn on the music and play" and this is exactly what iKON do best stage presence and having fun! They make you want to get up on your feet! Sunwoo: "To be honest, I didn't get it, I thought 'we have to win no matter what, isn't that right?', but I'm so happy right now. I had no idea that I'd be so happy competing!"

Layla123

I have a much longer comment incoming but while I type that I just need to quickly say long-haired Donghyuk >>>>

Anonymous

I read a theory that the reason Bobby is wearing colour and Hwiyoung and Sunwoo is wearing black and white is because Bobby has already found his colour (Bobby used to only wear monochrome during SMTM) and then at the end of their performance they were getting splashed by paint, it was them showing their colour after the freedom to do what they wanted on stage. They just have fun and said what they wanted to say without worrying too much about the competition. For me it’s the way Bobby let Hwiyoung and Sunwoo shine by not giving himself a verse or too many lines. He made the track and the beat and then gave them both a verse and let them write it themselves so they could express themselves. Bobby said “this isn’t about me”. Bobby sees his past self in Hwiyoung and Sunwoo, he could see their thirst for rap and hip-hop. He shown them that's its okay to loosen up on stage. Also their rap is best diss track! I absolutely love it! Full DaSH is gonna be my hype song from now on!

Heenim Mura

I really like Bobby team performance but I feel like Bobby didn't show his full abilities coz he was insane in show me the money. Shindong From Super Junior is a Main Dancer, choreographer, Stage Director and MV director. So yes, we still got a a professional pov for the first dance team Knowing him, he could've said A LOT more than that but I feel like they didn't want to focus a lot on the Special jugdes (but that's just my guess). Also It's really weird to see juniors evaluating seniors for a show of that level but I'm not a professional so whatever haha. Thanks for your reaction Jeff

Cinthia Ojeda

Yeah, I feel kinda weird things about hoobae judging them, for example when they were drawing stuffs for some artist instead of paying the right attention to the performance... Idk if it´s just me because this competition is so important for all six groups and I feel they should give the same importance...

Layla123

Okay I have a ton of thoughts about this episode and about Kingdom/the direction of performances in general, respect to those of you who read this lol. I'm going to post this in two parts, sorry in advance. First, I want to talk about the judging for this round and the junior groups. Honestly, I have no issues with those who were invited to judge (even if I personally had the opposite preferences haha). This is because in 'normal' circumstances, we would have had a live audience anyway, and in most cases for these shows the live audience still tends to be biased. It doesn't really seem like a very huge deal to me, and I am strongly against those who're sending hate to these groups. I don't take the junior groups as 'experts' necessarily in that sense of the word, more so just members of the audience who also have a right to vote (I am hesitant to call it 'judging' in that sense because the idea of rookie groups 'judging' senior groups like BTOB doesn't really sit right with me but it feels more like their role was them casting a vote for the performance they prefer which is fine). [Also, I am surprised to see Dongpyo near Mnet but whatever, I'm rooting for him in general and it was nice to see him] Additionally, Mnet has never sadly actually looked at experts for specific criteria like this in other survival shows of this kind either (unless it's a very focused show like SMTM or Hit the Stage). I had this same dilemma during Produce and their position evaluations - why were they not being judged on their actual talent for their chosen positions?! We all know that solely having popular voting from the live audience + online voting led to some really contestable decisions as a result. On the other hand. I also have to say that Kingdom is not Produce, the whole shtick of Kingdom is not to rely solely on popular voting (though the 40% fan-voting is something that I'm not happy with but I already kind of ranted about it a few weeks ago so I'll refrain from that again lol). What I wish had been done a little differently is have the junior groups look at their performances for other rounds instead, or even for the second part of round 3 which is coming up in the next few episodes (I think they might stick around for that actually, if all of round 3 was filmed together over the same few days - idk if that's the case though). Nothing against their personal preferences, I just think that might have been a better idea to get them involved. But I'm still okay with the fact that they're here either way, though I too wish we'd have heard more detailed feedback than a couple of edited thoughts. In terms of rankings though I've given up trying to rank these performances ages ago and I don't really care anymore about the final result because all groups are doing so well. It's a little disheartening sometimes to see some of the groups consistently ranked low but I'm just hoping the best for all of them outside of this show, and I hope no one loses their self-confidence but instead gains from all the connections and experience they're getting through this show.

Lynossa
>>59952608

Yeah; some people compare it with the audience like us, but we are just one among millions. Yes it’s 40% but that 40% is divided among millions so individual voice doesn’t weight much. But these rookies’s voice is 1 among 33 and it’s 100%. Their vote carries the same weight as Lia Kim and Rhymer who are expert in their field. They should invite equal numbers of expert in rap, dance and vocal and add producers/industry expert to evaluate from the big picture. It’s ridiculous especially because mnet definitely has the mean to invite those experts; they just want to make use of rookies who need exposure. I feel bad for the rookies for being put into bad situation by mnet.

Layla123

Okay for part two of my thoughts lol, this time about the performances in this round.  Rap thoughts: I agree with most of the other comments which express my feelings about how It's One were more of a pure rap stage and Mayfly were more of a rap performance stage. Both approaches are interesting and perfectly valid, but personally when I think 'rap' I think something that's unfiltered hip hop, and those elements were more visible in the It's One stage for me - the stylistic autotune effect, the wild and free-flowing nature of the whole song, just them getting all hyped on stage and interacting freely, the visual direction for the stage too, wordplay (though as I'm not Korean I have no way to judge the actual quality of the verses too) and highlighting the individuality of each member which I thought was the key reason they really stood out. I'm so glad they got to have fun on stage like that, they all really needed it - especially these three teams in particular. Seeing Bobby's charm and experience and style on that stage was so good, and seeing Sunwoo and Hwiyoung respond to that was amazing. I wish Bobby had had a verse for himself too, but overall that was the kind of rap stage that would have totally fit the requirements of a rap contest, and honestly that's the interpretation I personally went with for what I wanted from this round too. On the other hand Mayfly were also obviously really good and had an interesting approach, and I loved seeing my guy Minhyuk show off though I felt his place in the overall arrangement didn't really flow as smoothly as it could have - his entrance had visual impact on the stage, but in terms of the song arrangement I'm still not immediately sold on how it all flowed. They had a great lyrical theme too.  Dance thoughts: Interesting that they called this 'dance', not 'performance'. Both teams were great but neither blew me away totally (and I'm sorry, I love you EXO but Wolf still makes me cringe). That said, both teams had interesting concepts but as you said, they're once again so very different. I found it interesting that It's One went with the more individuality-approach and Mayfly went with the team approach. I tend to prefer large groups (I ult Seventeen lol) and it worked well here but in terms of the overall performance, I think I prefer the storyline and conceptual direction of the It's One performance slightly more because I personally found it more interesting rather than the Wolf storyline. That's just based a lot on the fact that I found their concept a little more refreshing but of course this is completely subjective. I have to say I think neither group truly went in the full direction of exploring various dance styles, maybe, or focusing solely on the 'dance' aspect if that makes sense though I appreciate how both groups had storytelling through the dancing this time around - I agree that there was a good balance between the 'acting' and the dancing.  Random side comments: I live for how hyped these groups are getting to see their members perform on stage - Sangyeon being overwhelmed at Sunwoo, Chan's concerned dad voice with 'Felix?!', Eunkwang/Minhyuk going wild over Peniel, etc. Bobby's just here to chill and sweater-paws his way through Kingdom and I love that. Wooyoung's so outgoing and sweet. I liked how the Mayfly team had chemistry off the bat and I also liked how the It's One team were so awkwardly shy with each other lol - once again, two very different approaches, both worked in terms of their overall interpretations of the requirements of this round. 

Lynossa
>>59951058

I feel happy and sad at the same time hearing Sunwoo said that. TBZ was too caught up in the competition that they couldn’t enjoy their performance. I hope they regain that energy back and enjoy their next stage. Sunwoo has captured my attention, I’d be cheering for him and tbz from now on.

non

I loved Its One performances but I think Mayfly will win all three tbh

jeffavenue
>>59937198

oh I didn't know that! I will have to have a talk with my friend who ults Minhyuk LOL didn't telll me NOTHIN hahahah.

jeffavenue
>>59952175

ya I see how frustrating it would be to know an idol can really BRING it with their talent but haven't yet. that's me when my fave idols come back with choreo that isn't as complicated and that's the one that gets the gp's attention. im always like WAIT THERE'S MORE

jeffavenue
>>59952880

I totally get what you mean about the hoobae's but for me (ill probably elaborate more on this next episode), we already have that live-audience-like judging accounted for which is the 40% from views. if we treat the hoobae's judgement and compare it to a live audience, that would mean that the 'popularity' vote (if they were to vote based on their fave performances or groups) may equal to 60% or something lol. on the other hand, I don't want to assume that all hoobae's would vote with bias because some of them may actually have a critical mind like a lot of us haha. ill expand on this on my next reaction :)

LisMM

For anyone impressed by any of the rappers here’s some links to their solo stuff: Bobby: Apple music: https://music.apple.com/nl/artist/bobby/1148163234?l=en Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/7ieMQQDR0bdBPz572mtxwS?si=EVpMuk_mRVWg79yQosS-Yw&dl_branch=1 Melon: https://www.melon.com/artist/album.htm?artistId=742763 0 (Hwiyoung) Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/ECVaS7DvdPNFnL637 The Boyz (Group SoundCloud, Sunwoo has two tracks on here) Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/Rjj8DqRinFJRpczU9 HUTA (Lee Minhyuk) Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/nl/artist/lee-minhyuk-huta/991690131?l=en Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4fgfmrBHIWsUuHxeOPhv61?si=-hTWRsdiSXyHejpD_V7TGQ&dl_branch=1 Melon: https://www.melon.com/artist/album.htm?artistId=30599 3RACHA: SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/TPC1wMfLnzYEeuGn9 Youtube stuffs: - Hongjoong https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQwLfryH_EXwpqIpJW2EZsuQePMHxHMcD - Changbin https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQwLfryH_EXytKxmODPqS6kb4qLbANuMu - Han https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQwLfryH_EXwZANjyC07SIGCsGFBxssSh - Chan https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQwLfryH_EXz4C3MaEHnqIyygoKpx41OS - Bobby https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQwLfryH_EXxgZFUzSYeh1wGF9-V33lRX - Sunwoo https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQwLfryH_EXxIbFVVuqdTAZkXqxafc4nO - Hwiyoung: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQwLfryH_EXxC_3aR2F6skRGJdlQgN8KR - Minhyuk https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQwLfryH_EXydMXbOgK1OmB8RuzjGVplM Bonus: Zuho (SF9’s main rapper) : SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/7vq4k5bKhbJ7PYHQ7 Youtube stuffs: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQwLfryH_EXzIekiyMNG1bidxTuhAf6Ot Ilhoon (BTOB’s other (ex-) main rapper🥲): Apple music: https://music.apple.com/nl/artist/jung-ilhoon/535014969?l=en Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/7McwKT2tZl8LMXUQRH3YDM?si=LsaGrXvLSlCjlTuf47pVWA&dl_branch=1 Melon: https://m2.melon.com/artist/song.htm?artistId=648052 B.I (iKON’s other (ex-) main rapper 🥲) Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/nl/artist/b-i/1148166294?l=en Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0UntV1Bw2hk3fbRrm9eMP6?si=G5pqa2agRESe4QWxGIMyRQ&dl_branch=1 Melon: https://m2.melon.com/artist/song.htm?artistId=742760

Matt Vesliño

I think where this Round 3.1 fails to really show off the intention it was trying to convey is the vagueness of what Kingdom and Mnet mean by "vocals," "rapping," and "dancing." Obviously, the Kpop industry has an incredibly different standard of those three performance aspects compared to the rest of the music industry, and are expecting idol-like performances. This is why I think (and am relatively sure) that Mayfly will sweep this entire Round 3.1. With no budget cap, no direction cap, and "no limits" to their performances, It's One could've absolutely gone all out for every single performance, but decided to strip back in favor of more individualistic approaches - which is perfectly valid, I loved all of their performances as well. "Full DaSH" is an absolute bop, and the Ju Tae Hyuk sub-unit pulled off their more contemporary style greatly. Mayfly, however, I feel like understood that this was, at its core, an ~idol~ competition show. "Kingdom" is not "King of Masked Singer," "Show Me The Money," or "Hit The Stage." This is why I think the votes tended to favor Mayfly's approaches to their performances moreso than It's One's, because they delivered idol-like stages. "Full DaSH" would've absolutely wiped the floor with "COLOURS" if this was a more hip hop-based survival program, but it isn't. I think "King and Queen" holds its own against something like "Wolf" if this was something like, say, World of Dance, but again, it isn't. And there lies the problem: I think both unit teams had completely different interpretations of what to do with the three core tenets of being an idol, and that's not even their fault. These terms are so vague, and can mean anything to any given idol. I'm just along for the ride at this point. Sometimes I hate having a stan Twitter account, I truly tend to avoid it on Thursdays and Fridays because between the fanwars, claiming Mnet is rigged every single day, and throwing unnecessary hate, it's just so tiring. Just say all the groups did great and we all have different ideas of vocals, dance, and rap. It's not a hard concept, sigh.

vega

For me it's one is above for rap and dance for now. It looked like artists versus idols performances and I don't have anything against idols but it was refreshing to see something different from them. And Bobby is just amazing, now I want to rewatch show me the money 3 again I'm so ready for the vocal units !!!

jinkichimchim

They are all really good but it’s a competition and it’s up to you how u present ur team that’s why I liked mayfly more because they used all members in each unit they didn’t left anyone behind, they all had a great chemistry ,they were creative,they worked hard.

STEAMY_DA_GOD

I don't know who that one judge is...the one talking bout Mayfly's lyricism (I don't know any of these judges as a matter of fact 😅), but that guy's opinion is why I got Mayfly over Itz One in the rap unit contest. In rap, lyricism is the most important aspect in rap, more important than flow, beats, cadence...all of that. When you look at the majority of hiphop heads top 10 rappers list, it's usually 2pac, Biggie, Eminem, Jay Z, Nas, Andre 3000, Kendrick, J Cole, Wayne, Rakim. All lyrical emcees that had something to say with their lyrics, especially 2pac...when Pac raps...we listen 😅. So yeah...Mayfly > Itz one. Their lyricism was just too good.

BaoziBang
>>59963407

It's funny that's exactly the reason I prefer the Full DaSH Stage. The Word Play is just incredible. Mayfly's Lyrics were more... Easy is the wrong word... Idk...

Cintia Bryant
>>59960651

I agree but each team were presented well. They all had great chemistry, were creative, and worked hard. My things is I liked Its One because they didnt to a standard idol performance. This show and Mnet is more of a "idol" based show so when a groups does something more hiphop or very different style then the standards are different. Like if this was show me the money or any edgy or hiphop based type of show Its One would have probably won. Mayfly, however, I feel like understood that this was, at its core, an ~idol~ competition show. "Kingdom" is not "King of Masked Singer," "Show Me The Money," or "Hit The Stage." This is why I think the votes tended to favor Mayfly's approaches to their performances more so than It's One's, because they delivered idol-like stages. But I dont really care who wins since I am rooting for all the teams to do their best and have a good time

Anonymous

The most memorable performance for me was the " The one team, rap line". Too lit!

Anonymous

Jeff, after Kingdom is done. can you watch Queendom plz😅

Matt Vesliño

Because the concept was literally "NO LIMIT," I personally feel like It's One already set themselves up for failure by not choosing to delegate more members for their dance unit specifically. Vocally, more members is always better for more opportunities for harmonies, and for rap, having less members does make sense so that the song flows a little better. But for a dance piece on this type of show, I have to agree with Yunho where more heads are better than one, and on that front, even if Mayfly had decided to go for a similarly contemporary concept, I feel like they went into it with a huge advantage: no less decided by themselves. ATEEZ are excellent idol-performers, Stray Kids are excellent idol-performers, and Peniel definitely doesn't slack off. Even though It's One decided to send their "it boy" main dancers, I feel like they would've upped their chances at doing a "grander" performance if, say, TBZ also sent the likes of Q and Eric, SF9 sending Chani and Youngbin, and iKON sending Ju-ne and Jay. All three of their groups have such amazing dancers, it also kind of stumps me why all of them only decided to send one representative each.

LisMM
>>59965760

samesame. I was confused to say the least.

Samantha

Me back again with the essays for anyone who really wants to read a thesis on each episode lmaoooooo!!!! As always I look at each of these performances from a theatrical standpoint as that is what my profession is and how I personally view performances. Just like Jeff always says, it's just a personal preference so no worries if you end up disagreeing! (In fact, if you do pls comment bc I love looking at these performances from several different points of view, it helps me to learn and grow myself! ^_^) Rap Performances: Full DaSH- I fully agree with all of the comments I've been seeing going around about how this clear divide in votes from the judges is an mnet issue again. Clearly, mnet is also pulling in ppl who are going to vote for the flashy performances bc that's what mnet is all about. That's their brand, of course they're going to get ppl who support that too it's bullshit but it's fact. They deserved so much more than 10 judges giving them support. I fully expected this round to be a very close voting as both teams had a very similar performance vibe to them. (Not that they were the same jsut the energy of the stages were similar, personally I think it's because both groups were having fun for once lmaooooo) As for this group, they fully killed it. They did what they set out to do and showed a very truthful khiphop performance. It was something that we would really see in the khiphop world rather than in kpop and fully that's why they lost. They're being judged as idols here and while yes, that is who and what they are, that's not what this stage was set up to be. They were embracing the round challenge of 'No Limit' by showing that they are more than idols and more than just a singular member of a larger group, but that they themselves have more to them than what the general public gets to see on stage. As you can tell, I'm spiced about this one because while I'm happy my faves won the round, this round was super rigged and unfair. Full DaSH deserved better and so far from what I'm seeing in all the fandom spaces, many ppl agree. Also, can I get a standing ovation for Sunwoo???? Man is fully talent personified and like I know that from all of his performances in previous stages but right here was just 😍🙌 Colours: yes yes yes yes yes yes yes!!!! Once again we get Hongjoong directing the message of the song towards socially aware and important points that fully made this song and performance with so many great layers that by the end the final outcome was just s t u n n i n g. Like the one judge said, their connection between their lyrics, design, and staging fully set this one up as a win for me. Yes, it was the flashier stage and yes it was the more "idol rap" stage but overall instead of being weaker or cringy like we've seen with idol raps in the past, this stage delivered. It showed the audience and the judges how kpop can develop with its raps and messages to get closer to what rap and hiphop was originally about and created for in America when it all first started as a music genre. All in all, while the Full DaSH stage was closer to the hiphop sound and vibe, the Colours stage was closer to the message and original intent/message of rap and hiphop. Dance Performances: King and Queen: I can't even lie to you, this one should win between the two. They showed a full dance performance that introduced both new and old to the genre of kpop for this stage. As much as I love groups on the other team, this was just ..... more. They embraced the no limit challenge and showed everyone a performance that not only showed Korean history and culture, but also kpop choreo paired with other traditional and contemporary styles of dance. The roundness of the moves paired with a complete story line that shows a development outside of the stage itself to connect with the Korean audiences' history just made this stage IT for me. I'll understand if they don't win because mnet's stupid biases but also they won this round for me as a viewer. Wolf: I'm gonna be honest, I hate this song originally. Like I love Exo and especially a good chunk of early Exo but this song was not it. Like idk who told them that this was the way to go but honestly this song is just cringy and something I only appreciate for when Baekhyun and Chen go off with their vocals during the chorus. That being said, THIS STAGE!!!! I think the best thing this team did was chose a song and performance where they really go to showcase their personal talents. Ateez is known for their facial expressions, Stray Kids is known for their strong and impressive conceptual performances, and BTOB is know for their skills of going above and beyond both as soloists and as a group. With all of that together, it fully made this stage something I actually liked and enjoyed even while positively HATING the song lol. It was a struggle but they actually accomplished it. Overall I'm so glad we got Lia Kim commenting on this stage in particular because this is something I could fully see her creating. I love her style of dance and choreography along with her vibe/energy when she herself is performing and I think she explained the strengths of this stage the best. I love love loved this performance but between the two I still really have to give it to the King and Queen stage. Collective Thoughts: I am so confused on the groups' thought processes with selecting members for each unit performance. BTOB was the only one I really got because I mean they only have the 3 right now. Personally, I would have added 2 more members into the vocal unit on the Mayfly team (IN and one of the Ateez members, all of the 5 there are strong vocally and dance) and then I also would have had way more members into the dance unit for the other team (Chani, Q, Eric, and Youngbin most likely). All in all, I'm wondering if that was fully their choices or if mnet had a hand in it. Excited to see the outcome of the dance unit round and the performances for the vocal units!!!!!! (Not to mention the 6 teams doing the second half of round 3 with their individual performances). We're getting close to the end, I hope by the end we all (the 6 teams and the fans watching) walk out of this with a smile on our faces and a joy at watching all of these performers get to do and succeed with these incredible stages that we normally just don't get to see from idols ^_^.

Samantha

ALSO: my thoughts on the judge selections and the reactions about it: The fact that ppl are putting down the idols who are pulled in as judges is bullshit. They have training and are in the same job field as everyone competing, they are more qualified than the fans to judge/score. As for the drawing thing, defs was done during the HOURS between each stage. People really think these things happen in just 2 hours??? I have to laugh. Clearly the judges were just bored and doodling like anyone else would with pen, paper, and hours of boredom to kill. And, for the ppl hating on the idols who are fans of the performers, get a fucking grip so are you?? There's going to be bias in voting no matter how hard you try not to have in scoring bc they're human beings and each individual likes certain things?? Y'all need to go outside touch the grass I swear. And finally, this is literally why mnet didn't reveal the judges for the first 2 rounds bc they knew the "fans" would hunt them down and harass them for not giving their faves first place. To those crazy people claiming to be fans, get over it. We all know mnet is a snake, let's just focus on the creativity being shown and the amazing relationships being formed between all the groups because at the end of the day that's the good that comes out of all this mess. 💖💕💞💝

Anonymous

I live for it's one team cursing and diss mnet on mnet tv programme. The memorable lyrics: "Running away from your bullshit" watch this part on solo fancam bcs mnet censored this lol🤣 "Popping champange for no reason" "Full DaSH aka F*ck that shit"

Morag
>>59969808

Samantha I totally agree with everything you said about the rap performances. Spot on!

Anonymous

I have to say again - I'm not sure if this is because of mNet editing, or because of TBZ's management - but I would have loved to see more dancers from TBZ in the dance unit. I feel like once again, they center has been put on Juyeon (who I love, don't get me wrong) when I would have loved to see someone else shine for once. Ji Changmin is an amazing dancer and his skills could have been utilized. It's just kind of upsetting to me that a lot of the members are being pushed to the background.

Anonymous

I think Mayfly Unit is the clear winner here. Just like last round was “Reborn,” the concept for this round is “No Limit.” The reason why the performance aspect of Mayfly’s rap stage was so strong compared to It’s One was because they truly used “No Limits” to their advantage. Mayfly performed with a self-produced track (3RACHA!!), had such meaningful lyrics (can confirm as a Korean), and their delivery was just amazing. I don’t understand people who use K-hiphop as a standard for rap, or think that Bobby’s win in SMTM should have any relevance to them winning considering this is a group performance, not a solo Bobby stage. Even then, I don’t feel like Bobby performed to his full potential.. he’s had better days - the whole performance was just a bit lackluster for me, same for the dance performance. Mayfly really went above and beyond for the Wolf stage; the tricks, facial expressions, etc were great and it felt like a well-rounded performance. (I truly believe Lee Know is one of the best dancers in K-pop.) As for the judges, I have no problem with the rookies being there. I said this for the last episode, but the “experts” for the other rounds (they are still anonymous), literally took points off of a group for not being sexy enough. I don’t think it can get much worse than that. The bar is so low for Mnet’s so-called experts, I’m just glad that theres at least some transparency with the judges for this round.

EZDC
>>59974664

Sorry. This is just the first time that someone mentioned Lee Know. So I'm kinda glad

Val

I heard about the rookies evaluating and I was waiting for your reaction to hear your thoughts on it since i managed to avoid spoilers, and I really do agree with you. I do think it is really odd and unfair, i like to think that they would be able to be fair, but it's just a really strange decision to have rookies judging these groups in this environment, and honestly, i just don't know how they can give fair evaluations, because as you said the industry professionals are way above the groups, so they have some really good mix of knowledge about kpop obviously as well as their 'speciality' like producing, rapping, choreographing etc. i can understand that these rookies have been through a lot to debut, i also followed pdx101 so i know of dongpyo and his background, but it still feels weird that these rookies who barely have any experiences as idol groups are judging these groups performances.

Madie Lee

Btw Jeff it'd be great if you check the full, uncut lyrics of both the rap units songs :) I wanna know your thoughts on it.

Cat R

As some of the members on here said I do think it heavily relies on personal preference when it come to judging, I preferred It's One for the rap performance because the song and overall feel were just more my style, I really liked their song a lot more. It was so fun to watch and it was nice to see something so free, the rapping was amazing and i'm happy to see Bobby helping his hoobae's Hwiyoung and Sunwoo achieve a dream they've had by allowing them to just have fun on stage and give them the spotlight when he could have easily stood out more. Mayfly's rap was good but it was kind of stiff and structured which isn't very hip-hop and again more of an idol stage rather than a hip-hop stage. Their song was good and had a good message too but the song just isn't my cup of tea personally so I can't really say anything about that. I'm editing this after watching the dance performances again in the full versions, I have changed my mind! I actually preferred It's One's dance, it was so dynamic and the members did actually have good chemistry in their own way. Mayfly was cool and the tricks were awesome but I really didn't like that they chose a k-pop song to dance too as it was more of a typical "idol performance" rather than a dance performance, I liked the concept and their stage presence but I do agree that it was kind of intense from beginning to end making it feel a bit one note. Either way both teams did amazing jobs and it comes down to personal preference again for this one I would say. Personally I would have wanted It's One to win, grander doesn't always mean better. Also, a lot of people on Twitter were upset and annoyed about rookies being judges for this and I have to say that I agree. It is strange to have people with little experience judge others with more experience. Ofc the rookies have trained but that doesn't bring them to the level of the older groups with years of experience on stage, with dance and performing ect ect. Mnet always has to do something weird or shady, they can never just be good for once.

kisa1909

I definitely prefer It's One for the dance performance. I have never liked Wolf, not once in the 8 years since it's come out, so even though it was changed up a bit I couldn't really get into the song at all and that also kept me from being completely engrossed in the performance. I also loved how It's One changed up the music a few times throughout the performance depending on the story they were telling. It was way more dynamic for me I guess? Mayfly just went hard the entire time so by the end I felt a bit bored, but It's One caused me to feel all kinds of different emotions all throughout their stage.

Anonymous

It’s really starting to annoy me that people are being critical of Mayfly’s team because their performances are “too kpop” when this is a kpop competition show with kpop groups competing in it. There is nothing wrong with liking the other team’s song or performances more because it’s your personal taste or you just like it better but to say the other team is “too kpop” just seems like you’re using it as an insult and that just rubs me the wrong way.

Tabea

I feel like my taste has been completely differing from the professionals from the start, even though I'm also a dancer. In this round I prefered Its one for both performances and the mayfly dance performance especially bored me aside from the one felix san part hmm, not sure why my opinions seem so different. Just like last round straykids was actually my favourite when they ranked so badly

Irving

I have to say I definitely Like it's one performances for rap and dance the most and honestly I think it's one dance performance was the best of the Night for me at least, I love every single aspect of it but specially the story line and facial expresions and for the rap I love That it was very rap focus and they just having fun, but everyone was so good is so hard to even ranking

LisMM
>>59935795

After some thought and watching the complete uncut versions. I prefer Jutaehyuk's performance way way more. The storyline is captivating, there are different peaks of energy throughout, different emotions. Wolf was just one continuous stream of the same energy level, what kinda ended up making it boring tbh. It just feels too much like a normal idol stage but without the singing imo. The cleanliness and intensity of execution were uneven between members as well which resulted in the performance feeling even more chaotic and unbalanced. Also. Way too much lipsyncing. Which is my one serious dance pet peeve ngl. (San's fancam is god tier tho.) Whereas in Jutaehyuks performance each member had a chance to highlight their own strengths and it felt like a DANCE performance. So ya. It's One team got 5000 in both rounds from me ^^

LovetheDove

I personally think It's One performance wowed me the most. Not saying Mayfly did bad but I think this win should go to It's One. I also don't like the fact of having rookie judges they were better off finding judges that are experts in rap and dance. Like how Lia Kim is their for dance they could of found someone for rap I'm not understanding why they didn't. ( I became a member once I found out you were reacting to kingdom. I love how you are not bias and give your honest feedback unlike some reactors who are just trying to please the masses. )

Anonymous

I never post things on here normally lol and I'm not going to comment about who was better than who etc because I will be super biased but just in response to the question about younger idols being on the panel - I don't have any issue with it because if anything I think they are the most qualified to be able to judge certain aspects of this show. Firstly, they have all worked as idols so they know what is expected of their colleagues and the kinds of performances they should put on. Many of them have trained for years before debuting so in reality they probably have more expertise and right to judge than most of the fans who vote and start arguments on twitter do tbh. Secondly, I don't think there's any issue of them being biased towards their sunbaes because if they were I feel like the more popular/older groups would consistently rank at the top but other than ateez (who have only started gaining real recognition amongst kfans recently) the rankings have changed each time (e.g sf9 going from 6th to 2nd). I also think that it's just as likely for sunbaes and other experts to have been biased and its unfair to assume that because they're rookies that means they are inexperienced and don't take things like ranking as seriously. If anything, the part of voting that I think is unfair is the fan voting on whosfan because you have to pick your top three choices to vote and for groups who are at the top, any fans of other groups will obviously avoid voting for them in any scenario so they end up with less votes. Even the fact that its 50% fan voting feels a bit much for me as I think the bulk of judging shouldn't go to popularity - I think a percentage like 60/40 would've been better. Honestly, in the end I think no matter who wins this show is good for all groups because it exposes them to so many people who may have never heard of them or thought to be fans of them (esp. for the older groups) and also gives them the chance to collaborate with each other which there simply isn't enough of in kpop imo.

Anonymous

tbh i expected the rap one to be a much more close round than anything. I personally loved It's One's performance, I think I just vibed more while watching it! With that said, I feel like the judges just chose who they remembered/liked more and obvi, no everyone's gonna have the same opinion. However, I do think it would have been cool to have each unit judged by professionals that actually specialized in the separate categories: rap judges for rap performance, dancers for dance perfoamcne, etc etc. I thought it would be not only more fair, but more logical too seeing that it is a unit test????? But idk

Don't call me.

All your reasons for picking it's one are the reasons I picked mayfly for the rap round lol 😂

Beggar Yuchan

I know I'm like 2 years late to this, but when you said you didn't know Minhyuk was that good shocked me but Ig it's normal since you didn't know them. The thing I didn't like about kingdom is when they kept on pushing the image of btob as a group who's only good with the vocals and makes it seem like they only sing ballad songs when they're much more than that. They have such wide variety in their songs and their rap duo Ilhoon and Minhyuk have always been ranked in top 10 best rappers in kpop before. Kinda like how Changbin and Jisung are right now. Minhyuk used to be an underground rapper before btw and he got such amazing songs before btob while Ilhoon has always been in the top 5 best rapper in kpop even until now that he's been inactive for more than 2 years he's still highly respected as a rapper.