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Batman V Superman Ultimate Edition Full Length Reaction (Patreon)

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2023-06-01 00:15:04
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2023-08

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Batman V Superman Ultimate Edition Full Length Reaction

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Jason Dolan

Also just to defend this Alfred - Jeremy Irons is an Oscar winning actor, unlike Caine's Supporting Oscars, Jeremy won Best Actor, he is also the voice of SCAR in the 94 animated The Lion King and he is AMAZING in the HBO Watchmen series which you definitely need to watch at some point.

Anonymous

I think a lot of people take the "Martha" scene in a vacuum. At surface level it's absolutely meme-able, sure. Look at some other pieces of the puzzle, though. Superman calls him "Bruce" at the beginning of the fight, he KNOWS who he is, and who his parents were. It's not only about the name Martha. Batman repeatedly tells Superman, "You're not a man" throughout the fight and has spent the movie dehumanizing him and is, at this point, just driven by his rage and cruelty. Alfred said as much earlier in the film, "...that feeling of powerlessness that turns good men cruel", and Batman is fully caught up in that. Here's this alien lying helpless at his feet, only... he calls out his dead mother's name. What? Why? Of course that will give him pause. And sure, it's a coincidence that their mothers shared the same name, but it's not about the name. This person Batman's been dehumanizing has a mother, and one that's going to share his own mother's fate. THAT is relatable. THAT forces him to look back at what he's been doing and gives him a hard gut check. This is not a story about Superman or Batman at their best or most iconic, which I feel trips up a lot of people going into this exclaiming, "That's not how Batman/Superman would act!!!" This is a story about a broken Batman who's been fighting a losing battle for years and is on the verge of becoming the thing he's been fighting against, and a Superman being pushed to his emotional/moral limit and trying to find his place in a society that's becoming increasingly cynical of his help. "What would it take to break them?" Could that have been presented in a better way that didn't emphasize the name drop as much? Undoubtedly, sure. Is it as meme-worthy as people have made it out to be? Absolutely not, you just have to look beyond the surface layer just a tiny bit. Essay over, great reaction! Excited to see what Gunn has in store for us as well.

Myles Away
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I think everyone understood what the scene was trying to do. It was unfortunately done in the most clunky and laughable way possible. All of the intended meaning is all well and good but at the end of the day it's a silly scene attempting very hard to be serious. I wanted to love this movie but it's trying to be a Dark Knight adaptation, the death of Superman, the start of the Justice League, and a preview for some post apocalyptic story, and its not doing any of them particularly well. When you learn the writer is the same guy who wrote Rise of Skywalker it starts to make sense how it got that way.