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CS 400: Bertrand Cooper & Jason England pt 2 (Patreon)

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2021-08-27 13:31:00
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2024-11

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This is Part 2 of a two-part episode. Part 1 is free to everyone over at www.patreon.com/posts/55383629.  Become a paid subscriber for $5/month over at patreon.com/champagnesharks and get access to the whole archive of subscriber-only episodes, the Discord voice and chat server for patrons, detailed show notes for certain episodes, and our newsletter.

This episode is hosted by Vida and Trevor.  In today's episode, we have returning guest Jason England and Bertrand Cooper to talk about their recent articles.  Severe poverty was the backdrop to most of Bertrand's life; today, he looks for avenues in education, research, and writing where he can either assist the poor directly or help others reflect upon that perspective.  Jason England is an assistant professor of creative writing at Carnegie Mellon University.  Today, the Sharks and guests discuss Black representation in pop culture.   This topic goes so deep we had to drop the bit rate of the audio file just to fit it all in!  This is a conversation you do not want to miss.

You can learn more about this episodes guests as well as read the articles discussed at:

https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-pernicious-fantasy-of-the-nikole-hannah-jones-saga

https://www.chronicle.com/article/why-was-it-so-easy-for-jessica-krug-to-fool-everyone

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2021/07/who-actually-gets-to-create-black-pop-culture

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/ijeoma-oluo-why-it-s-time-white-male-mediocrity-lose-n1251948

https://twitter.com/glorygirllici/status/1384374502419750914?s=20

Co-produced & edited by Aaron C. Schroeder / Pierced Ears Recording Co, Seattle WA (piercedearsmusic@gmail.com). Opening theme composed by T. Beaulieu. Closing theme composed by Dustfingaz (https://www.youtube.com/user/TheRazhu_)

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Mr. Lobotomy

Steely Dan is one of the best

Peter Fishbeast

Is it just me or does Bertrand really sound like George Clooney? He should definitely do voiceover work

Jaspreet

i feel like yasmin and jason would vibe so well talking about publishing.

Harlow Cozart

Another Great episode! Its always a pleasure to listen to Jason, and Vida and T did work. The guest Bertrand was amazing!

li

i really liked these eps, the only thing i’m not keen on is grievances over aesthetics 😩

Koob

Can anyone provide the link to the Miles Davis rant on flying first class?

Liv

I feel like more and more artists and audiences are becoming like ships that pass through the night, especially as forms of entertainment become more algorithmic and at convenience to a disposal. As much as there bad art being produced that self-praises itself as political or groundbreaking, I feel there's also a market reacting to that art in a manner that does the same complicating as the bad art has committed to sell to others (just like that artist) in the same self-praising manner about how they are more "authentic" or "real". It's not enough just to make shit work and on the other side acknowledge it's shit without it turning into morality background check of oppression, privilege, and street cred in the same way how degrees, money, network are checkmarked to validate our preconceptions whether or not it's shit without engaging with the work or with peers or even outside our immediate circle (not randoms on the internet or TV)  who may find value in the work. So no engagement happens because our preconceptions are already entertained or the gross version of over-identifying with the artist (not the art) despite the shit, confusing stanning with engagement. Just like how a bad artist can convince themselves Kanye West-style that they're a genius with little engagement to their craft. There's no longer critique or interest on the art itself, like how an artist can focus on results/network/appearance over craft of making the art. It all distorts itself into personal grievance or "who can I rub shoulders with" between both the audience (not confuse audience with being a fan) and the artist.From all sides of praising, critiquing, or destroying: We are in the age of devouring the person and their personhood over the work. The work became the bonus, the dessert for after our palates are satisfied with the meal of the human at question and artists selling themselves as taste-worthy meals with the right identifier ingredients.

addfdx3mp

what is being described here kinda sounds like actual cultural genocide taking place over generations.

Liv

Giving thought to Bertrand's article after this thorough set of interviews, I found the reference to Atlanta a little weird, especially since Donald's (who I couldn't care less for and never found interesting) rapper/producer brother Stephen who is born and raised in Atlanta is co writer of the show that referenced his own experiences and found alot of the talent for it, which even won him awards. He didn't even have any writing or college experience. It's a familial tie and we may not know how Stephen was living, how close him and Donald are during the course of years (nor is much of our business), the main feature of functioning in the big entertainment industry has always been nepotism, which always has tipped for with family, money or went to certain schools who have ties to get into those places (this can be a hit or miss for those who aint white, even with a degree. And definitely not a place where poor people in general are even thought of at all.) I don't know, despite some truths listed that I may agree on, some of the article may read as another social-trend beef stacked on a Big Mac on the think-piece conveyor belt. It's like John Singleton is degreed, had parents in good jobs, and spent alot of his days as a comic/video game nerd should that suddenly make his movies lesser or something? Its a bit confusing, at least for me. Maybe if the article went into about pop-cultural black film/tv of the past in relation (first that comes in mind is the history of comedy/vaudeville being breaking into entry, Red Foxx style. Or filmmakers who aren't as familiar like Charle Burnett who influenced the generation of 90s black movies.) to what we have now that would've been helpful.

Alyson Jones

The publisher reprinted Nella Larsen's 1929 book Passing with a introduction by Brit Bennet 😯