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Buffy The Vampire Slayer "Grave" 6x22 Reaction (Patreon)

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2021-08-13 03:28:26
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Comments

Aimee

I stopped caring about Buffy after season 4, but I always liked the choice of Xander being the one to stop Willow. They’ve been best friends since way before Buffy came along. I do wish Dawn had died, though. Worst. Character. Ever. Sorry not sorry.

Nathan

I do appreciate Steven’s blatant honesty when it comes to reacting. It’s one of the main reasons why I love watching but I think it’s time to come to terms that he just doesn’t fully understand or connect with this show on a keen level. I found myself answering ever question he had about certain things out loud, wondering why he couldn’t get it.

Anonymous

Buffy being there wouldn't have worked. The slayer can't stop her, remember? Xander is the only one who could remind her who she really is deep down. Anya can't teleport Anyone else, she explained that last episode. And I'm sorry to say it but the quality of your reactions just keeps going down, dude. Used to really enjoy your reactions and now it seems you can't even be bothered to watch. I'm willing to attribute it to your lack of attachment to this season and will hope for something better next season. But if we want to talk about "choices" then let's talk about your choice to keep looking down and showing us your the top of your head for a lot of the episode. It just comes off as disrespectful (intentional or not) to folks supporting you through Patreon. Especially if you consider the lack of posting schedule and basically giving up on what you originally promised with 2 Buffyverse episodes a week. And when compared to almost every other Buffy reactor it's hard not to feel like the quality is just lacking lately. Not trying to come for you, just hoping you try harder going forward.

Anonymous

My fav season :) , a dark season

cil

without saying too much...ensouled spike is nothing like ensouled angel. definitely won't be angel 2.0. also, the ending was a big moment for xander. throughout the series he has been referred to (and often feels like) the useless part of the group. he doesn't have special powers and abilities like his friends so he often feels like the weak link. but here he managed to save willow and the rest of the world without powers. just with love, compassion, and words. that alone is a beautiful thing. also, the xander/willow friendship is one of the best relationships on the show imo. the genuine love they have for each other is there from the very beginning and only grows stronger each season.

Dannielle

As much as I don't like Xander, and I really don't, it had to be him. Willow and Xander have been friends their entire lives, no one knows her like he does. Also he's human, he's standing in front of her, not a slayer, not with magic, nothing to protect him, just a person, her best friend saying he knows she's in pain and he's not going to leave her. I agree I don't love the end of the world plot it was better when it was personal but i also don't believe that Jonathan and Andrew deserved to die. They did some pretty bad things but they were no where near as bad as Warren. They're cowards, they ran away, it fits their characters. And yes Alyson Hannigan is absolutely fantastic in these episodes.

cil
>>65668911

i think there's a lot that he does understand and just doesn't like. and that's okay. this isn't that strong of a season and it deserves quite a bit of criticism imo.

cil

also, i can tell that this season hasn't been one of your favorites. and i think a lot of your criticisms throughout the season have been valid overall. would you consider doing a ranking the seasons video once you finish the series? season 6 has always been in my bottom 3 when ranking. i'd be curious to see what your ranking looks like.

Anonymous

Just to answer some of your questions... With the Xander thing. I think that we as an audience are supposed to assume that when Buffy was telling Xander to get the rope, he saw Anya appear and decided to wait to hear what she had to say. We can also assume that Xander was able to hear what Anya said from that far away .... sure, I'll go with it. In this case, Xander would have heard where Willow was and what she was up to. More importantly, he would havve heard Anya saying that "The Slayer" couldn't stop her. So, instead of getting the rope, he took off to Willow to see if he could "stop her" in a way the slayer couldn't, since helping Buffy confront Willow wouldn't help. Also, about your comment that you don't like the fact that Xander saved everyone. I get it. Xander hasn't been the greatest lately, but I also understand the choice the show runners made and personally think it was the best choice to choose Xander to reach Willow emotionally. Xander is her childhood friend and past childhood crush. Someone she has known the longest and been a constant in her life long before Buffy, Anya, or Giles. Willow has loved Xander the longest. I think in the end, it was fitting to have the two of them together, with Xander being her support.

4Tom4lepus4

I actually really liked the approach of "Willow couldn't be stopped through force". Willow's arc through all six seasons has been influenced by being bullied growing up and the resulting selfhatred. She sees herself as a loser, and being worth less. We see it in how she talks to Buffy (being her "side man") and we especially see it in how angry she is with Giles, who berated and belittled her before. She even said herself as Dark Willow that she only felt special and loved with Tara and that her big fear is that feeling being gone. Xander showed her that he still loved her unconditionally and that Tara's love isn't the only one. I quite loved that, actually. It's one of my favorite scenes in the entire series.

Fuiono Ching Sung

Just to address some of your questions: 1. Giles left Willow out in the Magic Shop in that stasis field on purpose. He knew that stasis field would have held Willow captive for the time he needed it to, had there not been any outside interference. He underestimated Willow's abilities, and didn't foresee her being able to telepathically "push" (control) Anya into helping releasing her. 2. Anya said Willow's mind control tricks don't work on Vengeance demons, and then Willow proved her wrong. Anya also underestimated how strong Willow actually was at this point. Not her first time, since she may not have registered that Willow's power now exceeded her own, since Willow was able to teleport herself as well as Buffy and Dawn - something Anya said she couldn't do. 3. Giles's reaction to everything Buffy told him went down in his absence was to laugh. At the complete shitshow that his "kids" turned out to be after he left town to help them grow lmao. His laughing ended up being contagious, and Buffy finally was able to let off some much needed steam through that laughter. Again - they weren't expecting Willow to be able to use Anya to bust out. Why didn't Willow kill those two w/ the fireball from the very beginning? Because at that time, she wanted the satisfaction of doing it herself. So she focused on that goal. But when Giles came back to town w/ his borrowed magicks and knocked her on her ass, her goal changed. Now she wanted to focus on Giles, and taking his borrowed magicks. Jonathan and Andrew and Buffy became afterthoughts to her at that point, and she just wanted them out of her way so she could focus on her new goal. Hence the fireball now, and not earlier. Yes, it was Xander who saved the day. You were looking down at your phone so you missed where the shot panned out to Xander watching from above while Anya was explaining to Buffy and Dawn in the grave how Willow was going to end the world. When Buffy and Dawn were sounding confused about there not being a temple on the bluff that Anya was talking about, Xander was right up there watching and listening. So that's where he found out how to get to Willow. You also missed Anya repeating to Buffy what Giles said: That no supernatural force can stop Willow. That the Slayer could not stop Willow. Because the magicks she took from him tapped into her humanity. And the person who still had the strongest connection to Willow's humanity is Xander. Which is why he was able to redeem himself and save the day and no one else could. He has the connection with Willow that no one else does. Lifelong friendships do that sometimes. And yes, Spike is now also a vampire with a soul. Which means any prophecy you've heard on either Buffy or Angel that references "the vampire with a soul" can either be referring to Angel or Spike. I gotta tell ya - you sure miss out on a lot of essential stuff that you have questions on later on due to them always seeming to happen right at the time you're looking down at your phone. Just a friendly observation. For me, these last 3 episodes (affectionately dubbed The Dark Willow Saga) made up for a somewhat frustrating season lol.

4Tom4lepus4
>>65670191

A lot of people misunderstand Anya's line about teleportation. We already knew that Willow can teleport before Anya said that line, as we saw her disappear into thin air after she destroyed the Warren bot. Anya was saying that Willow was at a witch of a certain caliber that for *ego* would fly to "impress the locals" and be more terrifying. You are right about the fireball thing. They even discuss this in episode 21. "She doesn't want you dead. She wants to kill you." Willow wanted to see them when she kills them, but when she got the chance to go up against Giles, she didn't care about those two anymore.

Melissa

I haven't watched this episode in a long time and it honestly wasn't as good as I remember it. There are some clunky transitions emotionally and plot-wise that I noticed this time around that I didn't years ago. Honestly, that was most of the season for me while I rewatched it with you and I wasn't a big fan of the season to begin with. That said I do think Xander was the right choice to stop Willow. I'm not his biggest fan but they were the original duo long before Buffy came along. This time around though that emotional connection felt limited to me cause I noticed that Xander really wasn't around much for Willow this season. He had his own shit to deal with but it did leave me feeling like it was weird that he was able to get through to her so easily after they'd been disconnected all season. I think the best part emotionally outside Willow's acting was probably Anya with Giles. It felt the least forced to me in terms of the influence of tv magic where everything conveniently lines up and gets resolved in an hour. I wasn't and still am not a fan of Spike getting a soul. I don't want to spoil anything so I won't say anything besides it felt to me very much like a contrived plot device that doesn't really follow the lore that was previously set up. I'll be interested to see how you feel about it moving forward. As far as season 7, I remember it being much, much better than season 6 and I'm hoping my memory is right about that.

TheMew

Yeah you missed a lot of stuff looking down at your phone like people said. When you backed up the episode you didn't go far enough. Like people said Xander was at the hole opening and heard Anya say Willow was at the Temple, and going to try and stop her right away was more important than randomly looking for a rope that might not even be there. Xander was the only one it could be to save the world. If Buffy was there Willow would still have seen her as an enemy and Buffy wouldn't have been able to get through to her. Like others have said Anya can't teleport other people with her. If she could she would have teleported the nerds to the other side of the world or something last episode. Hey Angel is awesome too and maybe I'm a bit biased because Spike is my favorite character but when Spike got his soul when I saw it for the first time back in 2002 I was like hell yeah. I had binged the show for the first time the summer before s7 aired on tv so this was the last thing I saw before seeing it live for the first time and it was crazy. Yeah OK Angel has his soul and now isn't the only one but with Spike it was kinda crazy because there was this big misdirect thinking he was trying to get the chip out but when you think about it just from these last few episodes Spike even without his soul saw what he did to Buffy and went and put himself through trials that could kill him to get his soul back. Angel was cursed Spike choose it. It opened up a lot of questions. Where would they go with it? What does it mean for him to have his soul now? How will he act? Is he accountable or not for the things Pre-Soul Spike did? What would it mean for him and Buffy? What does it mean for Angel? etc etc etc.

Jordan Haddow

Nice reaction. This is a tough season to get behind. I personally love it, but I know many don't It had its issues. I think in around this time Joss and some of the team were dividing attentions between shows and it kind of shows here. It doesn't show the perfectionism that other finale's tend to. I have to admit that I mostly agree with you about this episode, heck, the last couple of episodes. Production wise, I think there could have been a lot more that could have been done. I think I mentioned earlier, some of the problems came from Once More With Feeling stealing a good chunk of the finale's budget. Still. Anyways, I kind of wanted to pass an idea that I tend to hold about this season. It gets dumped on a lot because of the Trio. Obviously they are the worst big bad in Buffy history, that is without question. My idea is though, that they were never the big bad. They were a distraction. Plus, they showed some of Buffy's weakness as slayer. She's grown her idea of what it means to be a slayer from the first episode. Who to kill and who not to. Still, she has a weakness for the pathetic. I think you mentioned before that she kept putting them off. She did. Like she put off Harmony. Harmony, may have been pathetic, but she still fed on people. She was actively killing. Buffy never pursued her though, because she just felt she was too pathetic. Well, that weakness came back and bit her with a bullet, caused Tara's death, and sent Willow into a spiral so bad it nearly ended the world. I think that was part of the reason why Xander saved the world rather than Buffy. Another reason is also why Buffy never could get through to Faith. Buffy is the slayer. Her answer to a problem is to physically fight it and kill it. She is always judging if someone lives or dies. She's great at it, but that type of stance also puts the opposing party's defenses up. Xander, by being so weak, posed no threat to Willow. His only power was putting himself in harms way. That way, it was purely Willows choice to kill him to continue with her plans. That long standing history made it impossible for her to just cold bloodedly kill him. Okay, now for my main thought. The big bad of this season wasn't the Trio nor Willow. Okay, yes Willow, but not just her. In my mind, Willow, Buffy, and Xander were all the big bads. They were their own worst enemies. Think about it. Who did the most harm to each of them other than themselves? Buffy ignored everyone, spent half the season suicidal, was in a self destructive relationship is a sociopathic vampire, etc. Willow, well her problems are obvious. Xander even did catastrophic damage to his relationships, Anya, and himself. Hell, Anya is now technically the enemy because of him. I like to think about the motivations behind characters actions and the psychology of their character development. So, in that light, this season can be quite interesting. Most of the battles were internal. I know, that doesn't make for flashy enemies and crazy action, so not all will like it. That's okay though, because there is another season coming and I think you will like it.

Daniel R

lmao the Buffy mob is at it again, can't wait to see Steven's reaction LOL

Mike Smith

Wooo! Now that you're done this season I feel like I can finally leave my many thoughts about it. So I think you can probably see why this is one of the most divisive seasons. IMO There was a lot of stuff that worked, a lot of stuff that missed, and a lot of stuff that makes sense on paper but didn't get executed quite right. For instance I really like the idea of a season centered on the idea that Buffy has mastery of the supernatural world but it's her human life that can be the most dangerous. I think it was smart to embody that by giving each of our core three a fundamental human trait that lead to a degree of self sabotage this season (Buffy's depression/apathy, Xander's fear which lead him to leave Anya, and Willow's anger and feelings of powerlessness). I think it was smart to make a big bad that Buffy couldn't simply kill. The idea that the trio were humans and she couldn't simply deal with them the way she deals with demons has potential. And had the season pulled WAY back on the amount of trio and really kept them as a non-threat until Tara's death you could create an interesting dynamic by bouncing it off Buffy's new found apathy. If they seem harmless and they're outside of her jurisdiction as slayer (file under mortal problems) Buffy could've made a more conscious decision not to go after them. But the show seemed to have Buffy's depression/self worth issues funnel mostly through her Spike story, which was repetitive and slut shame-y at times. Like I think they could've done something with it, but it very much felt like it wagged it's finger at Buffy for being 'a tease' to Spike, a man they well established stalks her. I think Xander and Anya's break up makes sense with their character arc but the lead up to it never quite hit. There'd be weird bits and pieces in the background of stories but I think they really deserved a couple episodes to deal with that more directly before the big jilting. Overall though I'd say the big problem was pacing. If you look at season 2, for instance, Angel becomes Angelus in episode 14. So you had half the season with him as the Big Bad and that's largely why that bait and switch worked imo. I think in S6 they spend way too much time treading water with the trio, who aren't nearly as interesting as Dru & Spike were, and then Willow goes from losing Tara to trying to end the world in like a day. And that pace really robs any of the other characters of a chance to mourn Tara, their friend of two years. I think you need to spend more time with Dark Willow let her slowly descend and not become so OP off the bat. I think they could've had Tara die right when Tara was warning her about too much magic and the trauma pushes her over the edge just as she loses the one person who was her brake. I don't think she needed to become addicted, give it up, and relapse all in one season. I also think you can entirely lift that bit about the trio attempting to rape and then murdering Warren's ex. If we know they're going to kill Tara, that's gonna establish them as actual danger.

Kyle Jordan Ashley Brown

I personally love that Xander was the one to talk her down. Known her longer than buddy and since Tara was shot (where he saw the gun and could react) and even from the start to the series, he's felt useless (the zeppo). So for him to have this moment was important ☺️ Buffy's journey through depression and finding her want to live again has also been great. A nice emotional way to end the season - a dark one ending on a positive hopeful note 😇 x

Corey

It might've already been said but I think it's called Grave because at the end of this season it's Buffy crawling out of a grave again but with the opposite feelings of her crawling out of a grave at the beginning of the season. She wants to live now. So fucking beautiful. People can hate on this season but I' sorry it will always be my favorite. I do wish Dark Willow would've come sooner and not to have lost Tara (although can't get one without the other). But this season ends fantastic to me. Much better than 4 at least lol

Corey

Also, please don't hate me for saying this because I do love your reactions to multiple shows but I wish you would pause the show when you look at your phone. I feel you miss some really great moments. I wouldn't mind you pausing (I mean we all get texts and emails) but I just wish you would stop the video when looking at your phone and then continuing. Again I say so as an avid fan who was glued to my tv during these moments haha

Corey

Again I don't like Xander but Anya does say King Man's Bluff like 3 times. She also says nothing supernatural can stop her (meaning Xander). Also it makes sense Dawn would think that Buffy wants to die because that's what Buffy has wanted all season. Also Angel can fuck himself, he's not doing anything great with his soul anyway lol. Let's see what Spike can do with his. Can you tell I don't care for Xander and Angel (sorry, characters that brood and mope are boring to me).

Terri

First, I absolutely love the imagery of Buffy climbing out of the ground, much like she did at the beginning of the season. All you see is her hand coming up. When she came up in the beginning of the season, she didn't really come back to "life"....she was really kind of dead still the whole season. Still not feeling like herself. Still wondering through without direction. Then at the end, she discovers her purpose again and she comes back to life when she comes out of the ground for the second time. Second, I liked Xander stopping Willow. If Buffy had tried that speech...she would have killed everyone. Buffy tried to get through to her in the magic shop over and over. It didn't work. The only thing that stopped Willow was that she would have to kill Xander first to take down everyone. She couldn't do it. Buffy (the tv series) has a lot of underlying themes throughout it...in each episode. However, I think season 6 is the deepest they go with that. It's about human nature as a whole...the good and the bad. I think that's why it's uncomfortable for a lot of people to watch. They don't shy away from hard topics.

Terri

Also...the Buffy rape thing sucks...obviously. But I'm not sure how we get Spike to the point that he goes to get his soul back otherwise. I also think they wanted to take him to the most horrible place possible as a souless vampire, before giving him that soul. It gives the whole thing teeth you know? It gives it that added edge. Sure, I thought it was out of character somewhat for even souless Spike, but I get it.

john segun doe

I was wondering which buffy/angel watch order steven is going off of just so i could follow along. Plus why are there so many different watch orders online?? Whats the basis of the watch orders?

Dan Dolan

Xander overheard Anya telling Buffy that no magical force can stop Willow, including the slayer, and he knew that that meant it was him. That's why he went to Willow, he didn't just ignore Buffy's request for a rope.

Nathan
>>65672772

It’s not even a mob a mentality. These are legitimate facts and gripes. He doesn’t have to like anything if that’s his opinion. But to spend a lot of time looking down at your phone while not even understanding the basics of certain things is a big problem.

Cassidy
>>65675518

I only ever liked Angel in Angel and he’s still not even in my top 3 favorite characters from Angel

Mariella Nilsson
>>65678778

Yes, this is what I don’t like, that they did that to Buffy just to develope spikes story. If something like that happenes it should be because they wanted to do something with the Buffy character.

Júlia S. Spanopoulos

I'm pretty sure Spike said "return me to the way that I was" meaning bloody evil no-chip Spike. I think what happened was like "be careful what you wish for or be very super specific or I'm gonna pull a genie and screw you over" LMAO. He returned Spike to the way he was, in a way,

Fuiono Ching Sung
>>65696728

Joss has stated that Spike went to these trials with the expectation of getting his soul back to give Buffy what she deserves. And to make up for almost raping her in the bathroom.

Svetlana Grabar
>>65673628

Agreed, and Willow and Xander knew each other their whole lives. It wouldn’t have worked if Buffy tried this. Also Buffy would have tried to use force to stop Willow or to explain to Willow how this is a bad idea. Xander just gave her love, which makes me so happy :)

Eleanor Layland

Honestly I think that Xander was the right choice, People may disagree but he is her oldest friend, they have been there for each other their entire lives and he is her family.

Mariella Nilsson
>>65721777

It was only xander who had a chance, he knew her when she was a child, he could reach the child in her.

Ray D

I feel like your confusion as to why Dawn would think that Buffy would want the world to end kinda shows you didn’t get Buffy’s arc for the season at all. Buffy was resurrected from the dead and pulled out of heaven and spent the whole season depressed, going through the motions, unhappy, wishing that she was still dead, and trying desperately to feel anything at all (that was what her whole relationship with Spike was about. She was using him to feel). Dawn felt like Buffy didn’t want to be back and wishing that she had stayed dead. Buffy crying tears of joy at the world being saved was Buffy coming to the realization herself that she wanted to live. And not only that but that the world has a lot of beauty, beauty that she now wants to show Dawn. Buffy’s whole arc, all season was leading to that moment. It’s really quite beautiful. That’s why it’s the correct decision to have her be there with Dawn and not with Xander stopping Willow. She needs to be there with Dawn in that moment.

J.D.
>>65669065

This has been a thing for a while now and has been brought up plenty of times, but the guy has 1400 patrons. If he was going to stop doing things the way he was doing them, it would have happened by now. I dunno, I feel like you just have to look for the shows where a) you care about the show AND b) he cares about the show enough to be invested in it rather than looking at his phone. Those ones are quality. It helps if he's doing them with his brother - the Umbrella Academy ones are way, way better than this.

J.D.
>>65679185

The problem is that if you watch them in the order they aired it causes some weirdness, so various people have tried to fix it to make sure that things happen in an order that makes sense, and come up with slightly different ways of doing that.

J.D.

I thought they could have set this up better - rather than have some random non-descript meaningless fight for Buffy to fight at the end, if she has to be waylaid with Dawn so she can't get to Willow and they have their moment (which is fine), they should have had some threat established earlier in the season that happens to come home to roost at exactly that time. I thought the way to do it would have been to have a mini-arc in the first half of the season about the satanic cult who worshipped at the temple - basically, Willow was going down the dark magic path and tapping into the temple's power to fuel her binge, then it comes out that the cult is trying to destroy the world and by fueling their temple Willow is helping them, so they stop them and then you indicate that they're maybe not fully gone. So they ambush Buffy and Dawn because they want Willow to do what she's trying to do because it's what they've been after all along. Then the ending with the temple setting doesn't come totally out of the blue - "oh, it turns out there's a temple there that has been underground all this time that can destroy the world, that's convenient... and Buffy can't get there because... er, I dunno, dirt monsters?". It just seemed like lazy writing on a show that previously planned things seasons in advance. There's another alternative they could have done, involving a preview of s7, but I won't go into that because spoilers (though they have done similar teaser things in the past, like "tell the mayor I have good news" in season 2's finale). This isn't a great season, for me. I like some of the stuff at the end and one or two episodes towards the beginning but it's mostly bleak. Unfortunately I don't love much of s7 either, and I kind of think given where Stephen is with the show (seems very frustrated, confused, almost looking for things he doesn't like) I don't know that he'll enjoy it very much either, honestly. And then there's Angel season 4 on top of that, which... yeesh. Going to be a rough couple of months for the Buffyverse part of the channel, I guess.

Anonymous

This season is the one with the most real-life experiences going on like growing up, trauma, depression, addiction, etc. I for one wouldn’t change a thing. It builds up with the Trio and all their goofiness, making us believe that they are the "Big Bad" this season, like previous seasons, meanwhile Giles leaves everyone thinking he's not needed anymore and everything keeps falling apart for everyone. Hence him and Buffy laughing in the beginning of the episode, cause it’s just ironic. Then everything takes an extreme turn after Warren kills Tara, and Boom; Willow becomes one of the best villains in the Buffy universe. And I also feel Xander is the only one who could ever reach out to Willow the way she needed. They’ve known each other forever and their friendship is just wow. One of very few times Xander shines in the series. I think it’s one of the most heart wrenching scenes ever in Buffy history, and of course Alyson Hannigan's performance is out of this world. I would say the three last episodes of season six changes the entire season and ends perfectly. P.s Xander knew where Willow was because he's there listening to Anya telling Buffy and Dawn about Willow's plan, if you watch it again they show you him and right after Anya teleports back to Giles, Buffy looks up and ask's "Where is he" and he's gone.

Silvern7552

I never liked the Spike and Buffy relationship, though I didn't like the Angel Buffy one either. But, I always liked Spike as a character and I did like him as a somewhat good guy too. I have no clue how they would have done the soul thing without the relationship but I wish it would have happened at some point. I do like to kind of see however that as far as we know Spike is the only vampire to choose to have a soul as every time Angel has got one, as far as I remember, it has been forced upon him.

Thom Purdy

Xander has now saved the world four times.