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Hell on Earth - Appendix 6: THE EAST (feat. Derek Davison) (Patreon)

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2023-04-19 11:00:03
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2023-05-10 15:33:12
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We’re joined by Derek Davison (Foreign Exchanges newsletter, American Prestige podcast) to discuss the ever-present entity to the east of our main story, the Ottoman Empire. Derek takes us through the rise, reign and decline of the Ottomans themselves, and we dig further into their interactions with Europe in the 17th century.

Subscribe to Foreign Exchanges here: https://www.foreignexchanges.news/

And the American Prestige podcast here: https://www.americanprestigepod.com/

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Crash Test Orphan

This is great timing what with the new EU4 expansion being Ottoman-focused coming out today.

Anonymous

Can you guys please do an episode with Zizek where you discuss pere josef

David Andrews

You guys really stuck your foot in this series. I'm sorry it's coming to an end.

C. Ries

One of the greatest empires to ever ball. It’s insane that they lasted until 1917

Anonymous

Excellent episode, Derek is always great. The Empire podcast has a good episode on the Ottomans and the Tudors where they read some of the the correspondence with Elizabeth I of England and the Ottomans and Moroccans that Derek references; the Moroccan king even proposed colonizing Virginia for her.

Don Tickles

My mom has a question for the podcast where when is the live stream wrap up?

Scot Forsythe

So cool i get to go Mamluk to Ottoman with double D ❤️🔥

Anthony Perry
>>106807745

They said at the end of the last ep, I think it's Friday at 4pm EST I hope your mom gets her question answered

Don Tickles
>>106807745

Thank you Anthony (wat a nice young man!) Anybody know where? Twitch?

Anonymous

shame they didn't get William Dalrymple or Anita Anand on, their just finished podcast series on the Ottoman Empire was absolutely fantastic.

Anonymous

Great penultimate episode Fellas! I wish y’all had more time to do an episode on focusing on the African Kingdoms impact on the 30 years war and how the Great Design influenced Dutch War strategy. Home team history did a great video about it here: https://youtu.be/4quE_p3mR38

Anonymous

Great episode. I wish Derick had a little more about the Slavs. Murat was killed by Milos Obilić. He was about to surrender to Murat and kiss his boot, and then stabbed him with a dagger. The Turkish invasion prompted Serbian exodus to AustroHungarian Croatian region. They were absorbed into local military units and given land concessions to establish a military border or Vojana Kraina. Most of those families stayed there until 1994 Storm expulsion.

Anonymous

Great comment Nikolay about Bosnian urban vs rural split between. Urban Turkish and covert population benefited from the empire while rural mountainous Catholics and orthodox retained their culture. I wish Derek just touched a bit on the importance of this time to for setting up the stage for the Bosnian war.

Anonymous

Damn I’m on a roll. The Kosovo battle that Derik mentioned has been used as a key historical trauma, a shared experience among the Serbian clans to generate a modern Serbian identity in the late 18th and early 19th century. This is why the modern Serbian state has a hard time giving up Kosovo. One thing to note is that the whole generation of Serbian nobles has been wiped out at that battle. It was a complete failure yet it’s used as one of the key ingredients to create a modern Serbian nation state.

Danpat

Another structural difference between Ottomans and the west worth considering is that Ottoman-Islamic legal codes functionally prevented the accumulation of capital at the same pace and scale as in Europe! Only merchants and financiers were allowed to make profits above the 10-20% that was limited to all other sectors. Also the Timar system of the Sipahis was (according to Halil Inalcik) somewhat different to the feudal system in that, because all land was legally owned by the Sultan, all farmland was divided into family farms operated by peasants largely independent of the Sipahis (so long as they didn’t not underproduce). Inalcik compares this system to Chayanov’s theory on the Russian peasant economy. Would really recommend checking out Inalcik’s ‘capital formation in the Ottoman Empire’ as well as his general economic history of the empire. The sections on the land regime is super interesing

Danpat

Also because all land was nominally owned by the sultan, property accumulation was much much slower, with neither a feudal class to but up land nor a protobourgeoisie to expand beyond guild workshops

Khemith
>>106945387

Islamic culture was always far more socially aware than Europe. Then they found oil.....

Poseyma2

I swear to god somebody mention Alexander the Great as the first celebrity