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639 - Two Dicks, One Coup feat. Jefferson Morley (6/23/22) (Patreon)

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2022-06-24 02:06:26
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2022-06

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Author and journalist Jefferson Morley joins the boys to talk about his new book “Scorpions' Dance: The President, the Spymaster, and Watergate” which examines the CIA’s role in Watergate and the ensuing power struggle between Nixon and his DCI Richard Helms. Morley breaks down “The Cuban Thing” and “who shot John”, as well as the the past, present and future of The Agency and the fun and colorful biographies of CIA all-stars Howard Hunt and James Jesus Angleton.

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Find Jefferson’s books here: https://jeffersonmorleybooks.com/

Find Jefferson on Twitter here: https://twitter.com/jeffersonmorley

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Anonymous

You all really talked about neurodivergent autists seeing patterns at the end, and no one went with the Mercury Rising reference...

John Williams

So, the next time an interviewee says something like "Sure, I have a list of CIA agents who could reasonably be involved in the assassination and I can tell you why and how they would have done it", you should definitely say "Go on ....."

colin muller

What's next chapo shuts down too ffs

Jonathan G

It's cute when they try and riff with the old bat. Just kidding. I don't really know who he is.

Anonymous

I like how they calmly sidestep his lib-brained takes on trump. Kinda sus of him, actually. Once you start saying “well you know the cia would be worse if trump took it over” you’ve lost the script.

Marina Hanna

I beg you with all my heart, please talk more about the Bourne movies. I don’t even care if you spend the whole time bashing them. Do fun episodes when there’s a news lull where you review them. Those movies slap so hard I just want to hear you guys talk about them. 😂

JASON

The show has a more overt gay agenda now that Stavvy is gone. He was the straightest guy on the show.

Anonymous
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I think you misinterpreted it, I think he was trying to say if the CIA and trump weren’t each trying to ultimately control the govt, and instead were working together, would be much worsw

John

I really hope there's a Cuban rapper named AMTHUG

Michael S. Judge

Not to slight JM, because he's doing important work, but I find it very strange that he "doesn't see" the anti-Nixon CIA angle, a) right after describing how Nixon was using his knowledge of the actual Kennedy assassination to blackmail Helms into acting as his bulldog, not least because Nixon oversaw Group 40 and would likely have had a pretty good idea of how JFK died, and b) right after running through a list of Watergate burglars/conspirators who were the same guys included in or hired by Group 40, Mongoose, ZR/RIFLE, and various other anti-Castro plots, guys who were connected to the Bay of Pigs and sometimes even present at the botched coup, AND guys who have their fingerprints all over JFK's death, which I think is best considered (on the large scale) as a domestic extension of the plan to kill Castro. "Not getting called before a grand jury to explain how you helped kill John Kennedy" sounds like a motive to me. And like JM says, this was pre-Church, pre-HSCA, pre-Family Jewels, even pre-Rockefeller Commission, which was, in Nixon's immortally weird English, an intentional limited hangout. The CIA had *everything* to hide, especially from a President who actually thought he ran the country.

Yairo Martis

To catch a mole, you've got to be loose; looser than a grey goose.

Alan Fulcher

I love that Matt got paid for this. He said like 10 words the whole time