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I get emails sometimes from people expressing concern that a current storyarc I'm writing is a bit too dark. This one was no exception. I did receive a good amount of praise for this story as well. The praise was probably 2 to 1, really.

I take a lot of concepts from real life when creating the stories. Sometimes my own experience. Sometimes firsthand stories from others. Most of the time, the story I present for the comics is less dark than the real life occurrence. About 50% of this story really happened. The other 50% is artistic license. Conforming and altering certain aspects of a real life event to fit the characters personalities, and what I need for this current arc to flow into the future arcs.


Write what you know. The rest is writing what you can reasonably conclude, if it's not your own experience. Remember that truth is stranger than fiction, and sometimes, you may have to pull back on the truth just to make it sound like reasonable fiction. In this case, there was really a Pumpkin/Katrina dynamic. There was also a mother of real life Pumpkin who wasn't so concerned/worried over her daughter's personal affairs.


In short, real life Pumpkin was also 15, and real life Katrina was 22. Mom as told by her daughter at 14 she was gay, and mom was supportive. Unfortunately mom was more inclined to be a best friend than, say, a cautiously optimistic parent. "Katrina" cried poverty, and her own homelife being in shambles, and eventually got real life Rosemary to let her live with them. "Rosemary" full well knowing her 15 year old was in a relationship with a 22 year old, and keeping it from their father. Everyone kept this from the father. Father assumed, hey, just another friend.


Would this scenario jive if "Katrina" were a male? Of course not. Not typically, I hope. There was a narrative created by "Katrina" around the father, and maintained by mother and daughter, that a female friend is just that. Female: no ill intentions There is no information he's privy to that would suggest otherwise. This was a key point in the story when Damien talks to Katrina about giving Pumpkin a ride home from convention.


Whether you yourself think it's appropriate for a 15 year old to hang around, or room with, adults that could already be out of college... that's up to you. Personally, I'd say no. When you're an adult, you can do whatever you want. Unfortunately, adults tend to do whatever they want, so I'm not leaving them around my children unsupervised. And even when supervised, verify their intentions. Regardless of gender. This was a key point in the story when Rosemary checks Katrina's online profiles.


Character Rosemary doesn't adapt well to real life "Rosemary" (as she's not based on her anyway.) If I'm going to be blatantly honest here, everything is geared towards raising a daughter to be a best friend and maintain youth through osmosis, than it is to instill morals or values. I've seen this in a few parent-child relationships over the years. "Please think I'm hip!" and "What can I do to appease my kid?" Turns out it's leaving her to be sexually educated by a 22 year old with the sentiment no one can possibly get pregnant, as a mental reassurance nothing can go "THAT wrong." This was a key point when Rosemary kicks out Katrina in the comic.


So we're left to ponder in this story, as even I do in real life, what's Katrina's M.O. in this? Is she grooming Pumpkin? Could we classify her as a pedophile? Or is she a lesbian who can't help being attracted to Pumpkin who happens to be 15? Do we say "love is love" in this scenario, or do we allow for red flags based on age? Do we vet our children's friends disproportionately based on their gender, or do we subconsciously give a pass in some cases? What is real equality in terms of the safeguards and treatment of minors?


If you can walk away asking yourself any of those questions I'm glad I chose to do this story. I don't think it's really been covered much in media. I can trope as well as anyone with the plots or characters, but I love touching on small aspects of life I don't find used often in other comics, shows or movies.



Such as Pumpkin's cosplaying. There is a huge, huge cosplayer base out there. Do you ever see it used in shows? I don't. I mean, truthfully, I don't watch tv at all anymore.. but when I do.. cosplayers are usually lumped in with furries and mocked all the same. It's never seen as a legitimate, full time hobby/occupation/enterprise. It's typically seen as a fleeting activity being solely contained within [insert example] event. Like it's just another Halloween. The interest in cosplaying by the cosplayer begins and ends at a, say...convention. You only see cosplayers cosplaying at appropriate times, at appropriate events. This interest never weaves in and out of other aspects of their lives.


That's my impression from media, anyway. And it's certainly not the case. Cosplayers I know are constantly perfecting their craft. Which is what it is. A talent. One that's generally underrated and typically ridiculed when there's any adult participation, and.


Another concept I had for Pumpkin's character was for her to be asexual. Now, this isn't entirely confirmed in the comic, but I was surprised at the positive feedback I got from the comics covering the matter. I read loads of forums about the subject just to accumulate enough perspective to view it from Pumpkin's would-be perspective. One misnomer is that asexuals aren't interest in love. I think most of can take a step back and conclude that wouldn't be true, but it's still a perception among many. You don't need love for sex, and you don't need sex for love. We'll see more of this explained in the comic when the main site comic does Pumpkin's birthday.


So yes, this is the conclusion of the first part of the Quinn-Pumpkin character arc. The next series is on Quinn-Eagan. It won't be as long, and it will start with showing Quinn immediately after she gets her new Volkswagon. So as we saw Ellie take Caleb to the airport, we'll what Quinn did during the same events. After that I'll do a full Juniper arc, which may equal the length of this one. When I did the site vote, and that story idea won, I kinda went "oh shit, now I have to come up with something." I had a few scattered ideas on Juniper, but nothing coherent or fleshed out. Within the last month it all really came together to form a story I'm ridiculously happy with.


So as always, I know I don't always break down the story, or say an awful lot, but I really want to tell you all how much you're appreciated. Thank you for the support and the patience. I really mean it. I always feel like I'm not doing enough for you guys, or that I'm not relaying how blessed and fortunate I am to have you all along for the ride. So thanks again. :)


Chris

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Steve

Why can't I hold all these feelings!? Chris, I've loved this story arc and the fact that you took the time to give a little commentary on it just proves how well thought out your ideas are. As with every post, I can't wait to see where this goes.

Anonymous

It's good that this is only part one of the Pumpkin and Quinn saga. Taking these two characters from misery to solace and back to misery again and *leaving* them there would be untenable, especially after letting us get to know them and care about their lives. It's also very frustrating to leave these two on this note because although we have a much better understanding of Pumpkin than when we started, Quinn remains quite opaque. Even the dream sequence--which is the closest we get to seeing inner monologue since this strip doesn't do thought bubbles--did more to cloud up matters than clarify. I'm hoping the Quinn-Iain strips will give up a little better glimpse of Quinn's desires and motivations. Waiting for Pumpkin's birthday party is going to be torturous, given that things are currently so angrily awkward between Quinn and Pumpkin now, it is hard to see how this breach between them can be repaired, especially with less than a month before the event.

Anonymous

On a completely different note, it is irritating that Patreon has decided to make separating paragraphs here to be as difficult as possible. If there is anything you can do to remedy this, I urge it.

Anonymous

In Katrina's case, no, it wouldn't be pedophilia (though I'm sure lots of people would like to say it because they're naive or really, just plain stupid). Pedophilia is the attraction of prepubesents with the max age for that being 13. Katrina may or may not have been attacted to girls Pumpkin's age range exclusively (I doubt it). What we do know, is that she knew Pumpkin's age, she knew the law, and the only reason she thought none of it should apply to her is because "I'm female!" but it does apply, not only that she could have been attracted to Pumpkin and waited until it was all legal, but she didn't, because again, she didn't think it should apply to her. So whether or not she was grooming Pumpkin or not, what we can see is, Katrina was a terrible person. On a last note (no idea how to do paragraphs here) sadly, there's way to many people (male and female) if they're not against same sex (at least female/female) they think the same thing "Can't get pregnant, so it should be okay" But then, people are stupid. :p

Anonymous

This is heavy, heavy stuff, but I certainly do appreciate it. The last few comics, as well as your thoughts on this one have certainly given me a lot to think about. You've made me care more about a pair of fictional characters more than most other TV shows and comics have. I feel personally invested in both of their lives. You truly are a good writer. Thanks again.

Anonymous

Quite aside from anything else, the level of detail on your art is breathtaking - certainly far beyond any other webcomic I've seen. Case in point: the lighting and colour effect on the table Pumpkin is sitting on in the last few frames. You could have chosen to illustrate a solid surface and still done some nice lighting effects, but doing it as perforated metal must be substantially more work. Well done.

That One Guy

If Katrina had taken longer to move in on Pumpkin, hadn't tried to dodge meeting Pumpkin's family, and hadn't lied to everyone, I'd be a bit more willing to accept a positive view as a possibility. As it is, at the very best interpretation she's incredibly arrogant to consider herself above worrying about such things, and it goes downhill from there.<br><br>So pedophilia vs the other terms for slightly older but still illegal (I don't recall them, but commenter Tesla on the main site went over them at one point) is certainly a valid distinction. Personally, I can say I'm attracted to adult women, and sometimes when I see a girl under 18 who's developed enough to look like a mature woman (which Pumpkin is), I can say I've had the reaction of attraction. However, finding out age changes that. For me it was when I was 23 and recently of college and found myself attracted to a 19 year old sophomore I'd just met. It was legal, the age difference wasn't really that much, but when it came down to it and I thought about my own life in the dorms and all the college things that I'd enjoyed and been formed by but wouldn't have really wanted to deal with again, and I realized that if I actually cared about someone I wouldn't want her to miss them. So I backed off and was platonically friendly (which worked well as I later found out she wouldn't have been interested anyway). For me that's a big part of it for the age difference question, is how much are you respecting the other person's ability to grow into their own person versus steering them to your own direction, even if unconsciously, and robbing them of that personal growth.<br><br>As an informational bit, you can add line breaks with the HTML line break tag. Which is a less than sign, the characters 'br' and then a greater than sign. So &lt; b r &gt; if you remove the spaces. Also since Patreon lets you edit you can experiment and remove things if they don't work (<b>bold</b>, <i>italic</i>, &amp; <u>underline</u> all work too, but I haven't really experimented much with others).

That One Guy

I've seen (or at least heard about) situations on both sides of that. I've also seen situations that fall into what I'd normally consider the decidedly bad kind of adult going after a kid sexually where both people were legally adults. It's not easy, and it's not comfortable, and the second guessing and attempts to predict outcomes for if it's a harm or benign just makes it worse.<br><br>A fleshed-out universe telling a good story can't hide from these things, and shouldn't try. I'm glad that you haven't.

Anonymous

Dude, it's worth it. 1. First, maybe second time in the whole strip seeing AShliii without her cell phone. 1st time might have been with her and Bubbles seeing Pumpkin and Quinn at the movies in the lobby.

Anonymous

As for the moral questions concerning the ages in question, no. Never. He/She's too young, and not while they're under my roof (at least until they move out and graduate from an accredited university and get married). NAMBLA has been pursuing that stuff for years now. I'm not going to explain that, but I'll just call it infatuation for both parties involved. It used to be that the spring winter romances could ask the parents permission to get married. Last time that happened in popular media was Jerry Lee Lewis. Now with the definition of marriage being taken and well, you know. But I see that as a needless usurpation from the courts upon a civil tradition. Katrina was/is and will be a pedophile for attempting to get what she wanted through manipulation. And if the younger party was wanting to explore with someone older, I think that the first reaction that most people should have was James and Richard's response to hearing Pumpkin's age. I mean, almost all of the shows that have some male character getting arrested for sexual assault, the guy's reason was, "I didn't know she was ___(translation "under 18 (or whatever the state law is))." But that also seemed to have been the conclusion of a hook up in a bar. Perhaps the situation could be changed to a venue such as a convention. Jerry Lee Lewis was on the level about it, Katrina wasn't. There's a difference.

Taylor Guest

Eh. It is a bit muddy. It's not like some magical transformation happens at 18, it's just the arbitrary line we mentally draw (I don't say legal, because it's not even the same legal line everywhere). If we were going on biology, the REAL line would be somewhere closer to 25. Imagine THAT in a legal sense though. Not being tried as an adult, no contract power, tons of horrible ramifications. So this particular stick has shit at both ends. 15 pushes even MY boundaries for the majority of kids... but Pumpkin in SPECIFIC seems to have a pretty good head on her shoulders. Katrina, on the other hand, was definitely a predatory type. Quinn... I would have less problem with.

Anonymous

Sure, i get the whole"She's to young for such a relationship" discussion, but i think both of them would't give a damn, love is love, even when its not acceptable with society's standards.

Anonymous

As for the page, i think its a good one, your standard break up one where both parties say things they don't mean.

Anonymous

I enjoy when the comic gets a little gritty or true to real aspects of life. You do it so well. -And I enjoy when you go on your soliloquize about your comic. Hell, I just enjoy it all.

Anonymous

This might be the case if it was confessed mutual love. But even if we play the odds and say that Pumpkin has strong romantic feelings about Quinn, we have no indication it flows the other way (outside a dream sequence) and every other assurance that it doesn't. In any event, it is in both their best interests, at least legally, for them to continue to explore the bounds of their relationship after Pumpkin's birthday next month. There are plenty of other sources of conflict in their lives without bringing the scrutiny of the law into this.

Argent

You're a good man, Charlie Brown.

Anonymous

Poor babies. We knew this would end in tears.

Anonymous

Age is finicky. I dated a 30 year old when I was 17. (I dated a different 30 year old when I was 20, too.) You can argue that 17 is legal herp derp, but the man was literally almost twice my age, and 15 year old me was not significantly different from 17 year old me; I was well past puberty, had the same friend circle, same hobbies, and the same plan for college. People thought it was creepy of the guy, but it didn't bother me a bit. We were happy as any other couple and did the same things any other couple did. It wasn't about numbers to either of them - they went on to date, and one of them subsequently had a kid with, someone their own age after that. Katrina was inappropriate *regardless* of the age difference. She shut away Pumpkin's friends, disobeyed and encouraged Pumpkin to disobey her parent's reasonable requests, and pushed Pumpkin in ways she might not be comfortable with. We call that abuse no matter which gender or age was involved. If Quinn was interested in being romantic with Pumpkin, she'd at least be more respecting of boundaries. As a friend/unrequited romance, the best course of action would have been to set boundaries instead of cut her off entirely, but we all know Quinn and her ability to rationally handle any kind of relationship. Her heart is in the right place, which is the difference between herself and Katrina.

Anonymous

This comic and Questionable Content are two of my favorite comics because they handle gritty life situations so well, and a lot of the situations hit close to home. Somehow you can see yourself, or your sibling, or your parent, or your friend in these situations. They remind you of what happened in your life and really connect you to the characters and story.

Snowfall7

It seems harsh, but in my honest opinion Pumpkin was starting to act like the "overly attached girlfriend". Not wanting Quinn to see other people is an obvious form of control or abuse, and she was kind of getting into that territory with Ian. In addition, Pumpkin not wanting to see anyone but Quinn isn't much better. On the one hand, she's young and stupid (inexperienced, if you prefer), so I wouldn't be to harsh on her in the long run. We've all made dumb childhood/teenagedom/college mistakes. On the other hand, they way you stop being young and stupid is for people to NOT coddle you and actually try to learn from things when you fuck up. I think Quinn tried to let her down reasonable gently, and Pumpkin blew her off. So since she obviously wasn't getting it, Quinn had to be more blunt. Pumpkin's "you'll change your mind once I point out all your flaws" strategy probably wasn't the best way to go either.

Anonymous

Chris, when are you going to publish the book? Not the collection of comics, altho I want that too, but the book I know is lurking in the background?