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Why I can't make awesome sets all the time / Should I pause Patreon 1 month? (Patreon)

Published:
2018-11-01 03:36:21
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2021-03

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Hello everyone, 

I got a question to ask you because some supporters left leaving in the comments that they were very disappointed in my latests sets, usually minus Yuna. 

It makes me extremely sad, because I work very, very hard on my content, even the one that can look shitty to some people. I'm a self-taught artist, and most of my pictures are made by me, I can't afford to buy fully edited sets, and I don't want to scam photographers by under-paying them. For most of my sets, there's a lot of work to put the outfit together (I made at least a fully handmade cosplay each month this year, some just miss few details), organize the photoshoots, sometimes create the scenery, I do my make-up, I edit every single picture myself, etc. 

For my Yuna set, I made the costume by hand (About a full week of work), I did the beach photoshoot (1 day of work), I created the lake scenery (1 day of work), I did the photoshoot (1 day of work) and spent about 9 days of work on the editing (On the beach there were a lot of boats and people to get rid of on each picture.) That means this set took me about 20 days of work, and I don't regret it, I'm very happy I made it and super proud, but there's no way I can make two sets like that + 1 selfie set + 1 cosplay photoshoot + taking care of all the rest (social medias, Etsy, physical rewards, administrative stuff + Personal needs like eating and cleaning the house) 

Lately I've been working all over the nights to try to bring you great content in the future, but my photographers have busy lives so it takes a little bit of time. I'm currently coaching my little sister so that she can help me shooting sets, but of course she's still learning.

So, I have several options in mind... Please tell me what you think is best, ok? I feel so, so sorry to disappoint you :( I love working with you all on my content, I never take a break and even canceled events to make sure to bring you the best pictures I can, and I'm very hard on myself, but knowing that you may be disappointed in the content I create thanks to you really hurts.

So please tell me if: 

1) You understand that some sets have to be less ambitious in order to have amazing sets every once in a while.

2) You're really disappointed in my latests sets and think it'd be better to pause my Patreon until I have better content.

3) You don't really mind my Patreon content, you're just here because you like my work in general and wand to support me.

4) You're happy with the sets as it is.

5) You're fine with a month without new content on Patreon if you can pick an older Patreon set instead. That'd allow me to work on better sets for the following months.



Don't hesitate to comment to give me your opinion. I'd just like to add that you can buy some of my sets on Etsy aswell, if you don't want to risk being disappointed by my sets here, you can still wait for them on Etsy. They're a little bit more expensive, but well... That's an other solution ;__;

Once again, I'm very sorry if I disappoint you. Please know that I try my best to create nice things with what I got.

Comments

shaeunderscore

I'm sorry to post such a negative post on a funny Halloween night, I just want to make sure we're all creating great things together ;_; ♥

Anonymous

As someone who’s budget for cosplays is practically zilch, I don’t mind lesser quality content, as even your worst is still amazing. Plus, I’ll support you however I can, which is mainly why I subscribed to you. 🙂 Do what you feel is best, we will understand. Don’t overwork yourself for us and put your health at risk though. And thanks for the excellent Halloween rewards. :3

Anonymous

I’m honestly perfectly fine with you work, given time to actually un-MEGA them and the results, and I follow you for you. But if you feel like you need a month off to either recharge or refine, I’d be more than happy to look over an older work or live in tragedy without a fresh Shaw set for a month if you feel you need it. Just know that you have my support regardless.

Henry Pang

Keep you the great work.

Anonymous

I personally have never felt let down by your work. Some sets may not be to my tastes but I still enjoy them and appreciate the effort that went into them. I intend to stay your patron for as long as you will allow me to do so. I’m at the highest tier and only wish there was a higher to help you more. Please try not to be too hard on yourself. Not everyone can be satisfied all the time.

Anonymous

Bon désolé, mais vu la qualité de mon anglais, moi je commence en français et je doute que tu m'en veuilles Shae_ x) Personnellement et te suivant depuis...longtemps si je compte Zivity et deviantart, je dirais que la qualité d'un set n'est pas forcement ce qui importe le plus. Je suis assez surpris et négativement qu'on trouve encore le moyen de critiquer ton contenu alors que tu nous propose presque 3 sets (qu'ils soient petits ou non, les deux set selfies t'ont prit du temps.) Donc foncièrement, si tu te dis que novembre serait un mois de repos, ce qui au vu des statuts sur fb et compagnie, serait judicieux, ça ne serait pas gênant selon moi. (Je n'ai pas la parole générale, mais je profite d'être un des rares français qui commente pour l'instant.) Après, l'option de proposer d'anciens sets en "attendant" peut être une alternative. Tout ce que je te souhaite, c'est du repos pour ne pas que tu finisses par tout lâcher alors qu'on sent bien que tout ça te passionnes et t'affectes énormément. Courage Shae_ *petit français envoi ondes positives de 5h du mat' xD*

Anonymous

Your doing perfectly fine some people are hard to please don't let the few define you or your work I can see how hard you work so please keep up the good work it takes alot to do what you do thanks

Anonymous

I think that your doing just fine. I enjoy all your content that you create. Although it does sound like you might need to take a little break to rest, recover and refocus. Your a bit to hard on your self. Your content is amazing and I'm always looking forward to it. So just keep creating more content and cosplays.

K Vid

I just want to support you. Period. I love your stuff.

K Vid
>>16777835

I definitely agree with the others that you’re being hard on yourself, but at the same time given the comments, I understand why you feel the way you do. Don’t worry about being negative. The situation needs to be figured out so that you have peace of mind.

Alexis Flower

Don't ever pause your page Shae, you work for the money & if people don't like your work they can stop pledging, point final.

pete johns

I support your work because I support you and all you do. My only criticism is that I thought you were trying to do too much. You set high goals for yourself and your drive to be amazing comes through in your work. It is why we have gotten such amazing sets. I have been around since day 1 of your patreon and the work you have done this year has been some of my favorites. I personally have never been disappointed with sets. More often I am impressed. Sets I thought not might be my taste became my favorites (Elf Holiday for example). I'm sorry there have been negative comments. Some people may stop pledging because they can no longer afford it but don't want to admit it. The options they give you when you stop pledging, don't really tell the whole story I find. I'm glad you started this poll, and I hope you know that if less sets works better for you we understand.

Anonymous

[Je vais me permettre de répondre en Francais aussi pour ne pas m'emmêler] Personne parmi nous ne peut être à son top niveau à chaque fois, nous devons accepter à être simplement "bon" la plupart du temps et une fois de temps en temps faire un truc qui ressort particulièrement (parce qu'on aura eu plus d'inspiration, de passion, de temps, qu'on aura visé juste, etc.). Et globalement ton travail est déjà très bon, montre une vraie passion pour ce que tu fais et un progrès constant. Tu sembles surtout essuyer les critiques de personnes qui veulent que chaque mois tu dépasses ton meilleur niveau, et c'est impossible. Tu travailles énormément, trop à mon avis, et à ce rythme tu approches du burn-out, ce que personne ne veut ici. Il faut peut-être que tu revois ce que tu proposes (nombre de sets, nombre de photos par sets, ambition des shoots...) pour réduire ta quantité de travail jusqu'à quelque chose de tenable sur la durée, avec de vrais week-ends, de vraies vacances, et sanq toujours finir à 5h du matin. Tu as aussi besoin de temps pour vivre et t'occuper de tes autres projets. Donc sois fière de toi, tu fais du très bon travail. Et ne te brûle pas les ailes au travail, personne n'a envie de ça. Je ne suis qu'un modeste soutien (surtout là pour le principe), mais je continuerai à te soutenir quoi que tu décides.

Anonymous

I'm going to break my 'no commenting' policy for a moment to respond. I'm sorry that your feelings were hurt by a few comments. I want to emphasize to you that the people here who shell out their hard earned cash to support you do so because we love you. I never comment because I'm satisfied and I figure you would get tired of me always saying 'I like this!' every day. I think that the vast and silent majority of people here feel the same way. It is very easy to focus on negative comments and to think that they mean something important because they sound so strong. Major Fortune 500 companies listened to far left people on Twitter and tried to adopt positions that would appease them because they saw how many likes a comment got and they thought it represented a majority. Then, they started losing money and alienating customers since most people are in the center. If they can make the same mistake, so can you and I. The important thing to remember is that you have supporters, that they're paying money, and that you can't please every single person. If the majority of people are paying and aren't complaining, you're doing your job right, even if they don't tell you. Satisfied people almost never tell you that they are satisfied, while those who complain always do so. They make themselves seem very loud even if they are 10% or less. Sometimes you just need to ignore them if they don't represent the majority. After all, your goal is to sell the most to the highest number of people. There are dozens of models I love on many sites like Deviantart, and all of them have Patreon. But I don't support any of them except you. Why? Because I can afford to support you and still get content I like. The others want to charge $40 a month to get basic things. I'd be spending $500 or more a month just to get a few pictures from people I like, and I don't have that kind of money. Oh well, I guess artists are not business people ;) Anyway, my point is that I adore you and will support you. I can afford it and I love who you are. It's OK to think like a business woman when it comes to pleasing the most people who will buy your product. I am willing to bet that the vast majority of your supporters love what you do now. if not, they wouldn't give you money! Sorry for the long speech but I wanted to give it to you as you seemed kind of down. You are the only Shae on the internet. You are a commodity. It's OK to act like a commodity :) You are rare and valuable :)

Sylentdeath Skystriker

Personnellement j'ai du trop aimé les derniers set, mais l'art c'est subjectif on peux pas tout aimé et heureusement ça fait partie de la vie de pas toujours être dans le confort. Il y as des sets que tu as fait qui au contraire j'ai trouvé de meilleure qualité que les autres aussi. Il est aussi indéniable que tu passe beaucoup de temps sur tes set, et que c'est un travail a plein temps à part entière, mais travailler ne garanti pas forcément le succès. Pour le reste, je suis assez surpris de voir que la majorité des gens disent ne rien en avoir à faire de la qualité de ton travail (réponse 3), je trouve que c'est un peu triste quand même avec tout le mal que tu te donne. Dernier point que j'ai vu abordé dans certains commentaire c'est que l'art et la photo sur Patreon ça coûte cher (notamment du faits des frais de la plateforme et cours monétaires pour certains) , ce qui pousse les gens as avoir de hautes attentes (Qui sont contraires à mon avis avec le fait d'avoir un mois de pause) Désolé si mon commentaire va pas forcément dans un sens réconfortant et remplis de photos d’animaux mignons pour dire que tout va bien, mais j'ai donné moins point de vue de manière honnête. J'apprécie en tout cas tout le travail que tu accomplie pour produire des photo-sets et autres création artistiques.

Anonymous

I think it’s pretty telling that out of nearly 100 people only one person wants you to take a break.

shaeunderscore
>>16788136

Tout d'abord, je précise que je ne me plains pas du succès ou non des sets, je sais que certains thèmes sont plus populaires que d'autres, mais je créé avant tout des choses que j'aime, qui me "parlent", qui sont de bonnes opportunités en terme de rendu (lieux spécifiques par exemple) ou qui me permettent de tester des techniques. Ce qui m'ennuie, c'est plutôt que mes patrons aient l'impression que je me contente de profiter de leur argent et de fournir du contenu médiocre juste par facilité. J'ai pas du tout envie de faire ça, je ne juge pas les gens qui font du commercial, mais de mon côté je passe des centaines d'heures par mois sur mon contenu et du coup c'est blessant de s'entendre dire en boucle qu'on ne travaille pas/pas assez, qu'on ne mérite pas le soutien reçu, qu'on déçoit des gens qui croyaient en nous, etc. Pour la qualité je pense que c'est une question de tournure de phrase :) Je poste beaucoup de contenu en ligne hors Patreon également (j'achète aux photographes les photos postées ici, comme je ne paye pas les photographes de convention par exemple, je ne poste pas le travail réalisé ensemble sur Patreon...) donc cette réponse était pour les gens qui aiment mon contenu et veulent le soutenir qu'il y ai des rewards ou pas (probablement le cas de nombreux patrons à 1$ par exemple) Côté prix j'essaie vraiment d'avoir du contenu sympa à un prix abordable (mes prix sont relativement bas par rapport à mes amies qui font la même chose ^^" J'essaie de trouver les prix les plus justes, mais faire du contenu érotique même soft ça représente quand même un investissement personnel supplémentaire et je pense avoir trouvé des prix le plus juste possible pour tout le monde), j'alimente aussi mes réseaux sociaux de nombreuses nouvelles images chaque mois. Par contre si ça veut dire être privée de vacances à vie, je trouve ça un peu dur envers moi. Il faut être honnête, je ne ferai pas ce job jusqu'à la fin des temps, c'est épuisant, j'en profite tant que j'ai l'énergie car j'aime ça, mais c'est le genre de carrière qui ne dure pas 40 ans... (Je le reprécise mais si le Patreon est en pause pendant un mois, ça signifie que les patrons ne seront pas prélevés le mois concerné...)

shaeunderscore
>>16786814

First of all, many thanks for your long comment, your honnest and rational approach really helps - Even if I know all these things, it's easy to get trapped in the fast pace of my work life and let the panic invade my whole thinking system. As you said, "Satisfied people almost never tell you that they are satisfied, while those who complain always do so", and I read way too many often that I'm not really working, should be able to make better stuff, am too ugly for this, etc. While I don't want to care about it, and conscientiously know that it's bullshit from people who have no idea what I'm doing, reading it on an almost daily basis for years does have an impact on me. I'll skip details, but I grew up as a gifted child in a very demanding family that was never happy with myself, so it doesn't help with feeling proud of my work now. I see a therapist to try to improve things, but improvements are slow to make since I've to change many bad habbits I got. To go back to comments, negative ones indeed have a strong impact, mostly because many people put a lot more energy on things they hate. I'm lucky I got a very nice bunch of supporters who often leave nice messages about my work and are willing to support me here aswell, but the constant rain of hate and harassment my "colleagues" and I receive definitely play a role in our exhaustion and doubts. For the prices, one of my photographers did a business school, and we studied the question together before launching my Patreon. I did a lot of researches myself before that, and we just had to approve my ideas, but the goal was to find a fair price for everyone :) I'm glad to know it's noticed! Thanks again for the support and message :)

shaeunderscore
>>16781592

Merci beaucoup Lazarre :) Pour être honnête ça fait deux bons mois que je suis en état de burn-out avéré. J'essaie depuis le printemps d'organiser de gros photoshoots pour prendre de l'avance, mais les photographes et moi-même avons enchaîné les problèmes (Soucis techniques post-photoshoot sur tout un week-end, lieux plus dispo à la dernière minutes, empêchements le jour J côté photographe...) ce qui a fait beaucoup de travail de mon côté sans résultat, depuis j'accumule le surmenage pour compenser... Normalement Novembre sera le dernier mois infernal côté emploi du temps, si la malédiction des shoots me fiche la paix je devrais pouvoir prendre quelques séances photo d'avance et gérer l'éditing à un rythme plus correct. Je ne ferai pas de miracle et comme tu le dis c'est impossible de se dépasser à chaque fois (côté technique comme matériel) mais cette culture reste très présente dans ces milieux très compétitifs où le taf est pas forcément visible... En tous cas je pense !

shaeunderscore
>>16780818

I'm stuck between my limits as a human being (with a silly health, even more so) and my will to do tons of things I love + the crunch culture I grew up in. It's hard to find a balance. When I take half a day to relax, I start feeling bad - not just feeling like I should be more active, but in a worst way, more like a depression kind of thing. Therapy slowly helps, but years of tricky education can't be erased that fast I'm afraid :/ I'll update my Patreon with more clear infos on its goals this month. I think it's important that people realize Patreon is a way to keep me going and that if they want to strictly purchase finished sets they enjoy there's Etsy. Thank you so much for your support Pete :) You know me for such a long time now, I'm glad to know you saw the positive evolution of my work

shaeunderscore
>>16780273

I got the shittiest meritocratic-bordeline-abusive education powdered with hints of crunch culture during all my artistic journey and it's just stepping all over my rational mind. Seing your posts about music and trips and stuff helps btw, because I'm like hey hey that stuff's normal, you can make super cool content, be talented af, and still take time for the rest.

shaeunderscore
>>16778383

Merci pour ton message :) Il reste un set pour Octobre que je suis en train de boucler, j'ai attrapé une sale grippe qui n'a pas aidé ! Novembre sera un mois classique du coup, j'ai de nombreux shoots prévus ce mois-ci, mais je vais essayer de boucler mon contenu de Décembre également pour pouvoir prendre du temps pour moi et me reposer un peu avant 2019 qui s'annonce déjà chargé. Si vraiment j'ai des soucis avec les sets prévus en Novembre j'aviserai !

shaeunderscore
>>16777957

Many thanks :) I still plan to rework my Patreon a little bit, but for now I focus on current content and I'll see after that if I find a way to make more! I know that not everyone can be happy with my sets all the time, but people with negative opinions are often louder than the others, and I was afraid that people feeling disappointed with recent content could be more of a general thing.

Anonymous

I don't want to in any way sound offensive or degrading, but i didn't leave due to the quality of the picture's and costumes. The reason I became a patron was the outstanding work from earlier set's that had beautiful quality and were very erotic. I haven't felt a huge difference in quality form the set's work wise, you do beautiful work, but thing's haven't quite met my expectations on the erotic side consistently and with the Halloween set I wasn't getting what I initially came for almost a year ago. If you want to shy away from the more erotic stiff that some of your previous set's displayed that is 100% OK and I wish you all the luck in the world, but I am no longer getting what I initially came for.

Alexis Flower
>>16780273

if I didn't take time for the rest I couldn't do that work! Tu peux m'envoyer un message si tu veux en parler sometime.

shaeunderscore
>>16802399

Hello Marcus! No worry, it's not offensive, and I feel like it's important to precise that I'm not mad against people who leave, I'm very thankful for the support, I'm just very concerned about my content and if people like it. It's a big mix of many many elements and it's not your fault at all :) I totally understand that you prefer more erotic content! It's been hard to create content with more erotic pics lately due to photographers I worked with, some are more comfy with it than others and I don't want to push people's limits. I guess I'll pay more attention to it and distribute sets better! (PS: lvl 35 set of October will be sent tomorrow, they're usually the sexier ones, you should get an email with the link!)

Anonymous
>>16781592

Oui. Cette culture de la compétition et du dépassement constant nous imprègne tou.te.s, et au final nous pousse souvent dans le surmenage. C'est devenu criant depuis quelques années et c'est une tendance à laquelle il est difficile de résister. Tu es la première à connaître tes forces et tes limites, on peut te faire confiance là-dessus. Mais si tu as besoin de souffler, d'un coup de main bête qui peut te faire gagner du temps ou simplement de quelqu'un qui te rappelle qu'il n'y a pas à culpabiliser d'être fatiguée et de prendre du repos n'hésite surtout pas. Tu es dévouée envers tes patrons et c'est admirable, mais ce que tu fais tu le fais avant tout pour toi.

Anonymous

People vote with their wallets and they’ve chosen you. Never forget that. We’re here because we believe in you :) If we didn’t, we have dozens of other models to follow who do similar things. That means there’s something about you we love.