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Liaisons, Gallifrey Gals Get Warped! S7ep2 (Patreon)

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2023-02-14 18:59:01
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2023-02

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Happy Valentine's Day. Remember folks, consent is sexy. No means no and that's final. 


Thank you all for being here with us on these watch throughs and thank you for always being a supportive and wonderful community!


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PAULA DEMING

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KATRINA ALYSHA

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Comments

Nolan

It's kinda interesting because while the issues you discussed at the end were definitely a conversation that was happening in society and slowly growing in awareness, it really wasn't until 2016 that there was a huge societal shift in being more open to talking about them. I mean, yes, the big "R" word was clearly marked as not okay before than, but our society at large just didn't really have big talks shining a light not just on the most extreme type of sexual misconduct but on the whole spectrum that could lead up to that extreme act. I think before 2016 and those conversations started happening, it would not be unfair to say that our society had somewhat normalized those behaviours, and it wasn't until people stepped out and spoke up about what those things did to them that the perspective on those shifted. Certainly after those movements did I look back and question some of my own behaviours and interactions to see if there were things I did that I wasn't even aware of at the time, and I generally think I'm a decently empathetic person, but what is so fascinating is that empathy requires putting yourself on the different perspective to experience another persons view. But I think that prior to 2016, the majority of society lacked that frame of reference to even understand or even think about thsese things that had been so normalized and downplayed so that empathy wasn't as forthcoming for most people until others stood up and explained "Hey look, shit like this makes us feel like this, and we don't like these types of behaviours and actually LOOK at this type of thing and see how ACTUALLY grotesque it is." I mean, go back and look at Rom-coms from the pre-2000s to see where we were versus where we are now. That's not to say that "those things used to be okay, and people handled it better," no, no, no, just that society's understanding of those things was woefully lacking and it's only relatively recently that a much needed light was shone on these issues and let people's understanding grow. It was kinda a huge perspective shift and it's kinda jarring to look back at media and past views on things and realize that we just didn't have a clue. And of course, with any new understanding there will be growing pains as people acclimatize to it and hit that learning curve if they've been fortunate enough to not have had that perspective literally forced upon them. As for the episode itself, as much as we can disagree with how messed up that alien society is in their approach and behaviours, I think a big clue and reason for why they are like that IN UNIVERSE is that scene with the child where the ambassador has no idea what a child is, because, as he said, his people emerge fully grown from birthing pods or whatever. Therfore,his people do not have Foundational childhood experiences to shape them and teach them acceptable behaviours and why boundaries are important. I mean, they were still shitty assholes, but at least there might be a bit more of a reason for it than just "This is the shitty way we learn about different things." I wonder if viewing these characters as exasperating, annoying children would change how one viewed the episode - you have the sweets obsessed, would buy out a candy store if he could, and doesn't realize how unhealthy that junk food is kid, the immature bully/demanding brat who doesn't understand the hurt he causes others because he can't see past how it makes him feel, and the doe-eyed, fairy-tail romance lover who dreams of a prince to take her away from her castle without realizing how messed up those stories actually are. Eitherway, there's an Original Series episode that is similar to this one and perhaps handles it a little better than this one did, with a bit better of a message about these types of behaviours, called "By Any Other Name." That this episode is already so similar to that one, leads me to believe that conversation about the dress uniforms and diplomats was probably an intentional reference.

Mark Chrisco

Did you take exception the production didn't have the courage to cast a male in role of Anna. Maybe the ambassador never really had to disguise himself as a woman? Perhaps if made today, that's what would have happened.

Anonymous

In regards to The Last Of Us, I would love to see you both watch the show!

Mark Chrisco
>>101911993

Sure but the Ambassador who knew nothing of love might not have known that. Still in the end, he was just trying to recreate the same scenario as the marooned woman. The only unanswered question is did the two castaways ever escape the planet?

Anonymous

Great reaction, again. U two are a product of TODAY. This show is decades old. Naturally, u would find fault in it with the mindset of today. Its completely understandable. Sometimes a TV show is just a TV show and we shouldnt be lookiing for them to reflect our own morals.

Mark Ten

Cliche tropes - Men stalking women = funny, sexy, every 60s-80s romcom . Women stalking men = scary, dangerous, always ends in somebody or something threatened with death (Fatal Attraction, first kill the bunny, then...).

Bruce Bromley

I do appreciate a good rant, especially when it's on the nose. Excusing it by saying the show is three decades old doesn't cut it. As you said the series takes place 300 years in the future. Having Picard telling the ambassador what he did would be considered a crime and sending him off doesn't cut it. Although some of the interactions were fun, this was a Mad Libs episode. Another alien species using highly unorthodox and questionable methods to learn about others.

Robert C

Don't have too much to say about this episode. It has some fun moments, but overall it's a middling episode in a middling season. I agree with the general points of your objections but just don't feel them as strongly. As far as The Last of Us goes, I'd definitely be on board. Mostly for the entirely selfish reason that it's a show that I'm watching so it's something I could watch with you gals. I'm not watching any of the non-Trek shows that you are currently watching and this last season has me a little sad that I may not have anything watch from you after this (depending on what show replaces it).

Brad Barter

Society has typically always focused on the safety and well-being of women and their children in an abusive relationship. There was a W/5 investivgative report here in Canada just a few years ago about men being in abusive relationships. Not all men are equal or capable of defending themselves plus if any man should raise his arms towards a women even if true self-defense it can easily be twisted to make him look as the aggressor. Women even verbally can be just as abusive towards their partner whether male or female etc that years of mind games, cold stares, smashed dishes, appliances, vehicles and so on can wear down the other person's self-esteem, self-worth to where it can get so bad that it ends in suicide or murder. Men who do try to seek help from an abusive partner face an uphill battle as our entire western society is based on female counseling, shelter, child care, relocation and other services from the police to the courts on down. Plus most men would rather suffer in silence not fighting back, not seeking help because they feel it will make them less of a man. Society is slowly changing to acknowledge men being assaulted and raped and not just by other men which is the general belief, but the shame, stigma and beliefs are still firmly set in a lot of people's minds. If any man needs help, do not allow personal prejudices, shame or scorn stop you. Talk to someone, reach out until someone listens and get the help you need.

Brad Barter

In the episode Interface the actress who plays Geordi's mom was the first ever female Captain seen onscreen in Star Trek. She played the Captain of the USS Saratoga in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. Prior to this in the previous 3 movies but especially the final episode of TOS no women had been seen as a Captain or higher rank and in the God awful series finale Turnabout Intruder they stated that women weren't allowed to be Star Feet Captains which not only was the worst episode of TOS but for a show that was supposed to be tolerant and progressive was really a huge step in the wrong direction especially at the time (1969) the women's liberation movement was just starting to make huge inroads throughout the 1970s.

Matthew Zeidman

I don’t even think the SA aspect of the episode would have crossed my mind had Kat and Paula not brought it up, which is deeply unsettling and I think highlights how issues regarding consent, bodily autonomy, etc. are fed through a gender-biased lens. We’re taught as a society that, because we live in a patriarchy, men and boys are incapable of being survivors of assault or otherwise having our bodily autonomy violated, because no one benefiting from the privilege of patriarchy could possibly be a victim within said patriarchy. Look at female and male circumcision of infants as a glaring example. The former is a serious federal crime in the United States (even so much as pricking an AFAB child’s genitals would result in prison time), while the latter is completely written off as benign and even encouraged, because AFAB children are seen as in inherent need of protection and AMAB children aren’t. We can and must do better as a society. Not only does it diminish a survivor of SA or any other type of violation to ignore them because of their gender, but it also breeds resentment and extremism (look at how the men’s rights movement weaponizes legitimate grievances as cover for misogyny).

Nolan
>>101911345

Erm... that said, I can't recall off-hand if in that Original Series episode I mentioned if there was any SA type stuff either, but it was the frickin 60's where tropes such as "kiss em till they like it" were normal, so probably? I said it handled the ideas, BETTER, in that it actually addressed the things the concept talked about, but there's a good chance that episode I mentioned had the same type of crap in it. Yikes.

Anonymous
>>101928016

"sending him off doesn't cut it" I'm not sure how else it could resolved within the context of Star Trek. Picard couldn't arrest or otherwise sanction the ambassador. This was an alien culture that had no first hand interaction with humans, so all he can do is explain that what he did was wrong by his society's norms.

Anonymous

I have to say I have been slightly concerned about what your next move is going to be after TNG runs it's course. I enjoy your Trek content so much that I can't imagine it being replaced. But if it is, my vote would be rather than another long running series like Stargate, it be replaced with multiple shorter run stuff. Like no more than four, maybe five seasons a series. Last of us would be great. Firefly, Farscape, and BSG have exactly as many episodes combined as TNG did at 178. I like the variety of that vs one loonngggg new franchise like Stargate. SG1 alone has 214 episodes. And to be frank it is mid tier sci-fi. Firefly is remembered as unique storytelling that was never given a real chance. Farscape as visually stunning and creative. BSG as some of the best "serious" sci-fi ever made. Stargate is usually remembered as "that 90s cable show that showed boobs in the first few seasons and was still on after most people had thought it was cancelled."

Nolan
>>102143267

Given their reaction to this episode, do you really think BSG is a good choice? I love it myself, but knowing what S2 of that show has in store, I would be EXTREMELY hesitant to recommend it to them.

Anonymous
>>102143267

Fair enough. I had actually thought of that in a previous comment about recommendations and pointed it out. I just love the show so much I sorta blanked out on the problematic aspects of it. Like when I voted for Space Seed then watched them watch it and was like "oh...yeah, DUH!" It would definitely need to be discussed in advance at least. But ok drop BSG and replace it with The Expanse at only 65 episodes. Heck even Babylon 5 at 110 episodes is less of a time drain than 10 seasons(!) of "ok at best" sci-fi.

Matthew Zeidman
>>102143267

Paula has said previously that she’s watched DS9 and isn’t comfortable doing a watchalong, as she found much of the content extremely triggering.

Anonymous
>>102143267

I don't recall her calling DS9 "triggering". She mostly gave the impression she didn't care for the overall darker tone and specifically some of the portrayals of relationships. But yes there will be no DS9 reaction. They have vaguely implied they intend to continue with a new sci-fi series or franchise but haven't been more specific than that. They are getting a lot of recommendations in the comments one of them being SG1, which is the only thing I can think of them doing that I most likely would not be interested in sticking through.

Anonymous
>>101928016

Yes like our current society ambassadors have complete diplomatic immunity, which means the ambassador legally can't be prosecuted even if a crime is committed.

Anonymous

As far as Trek goes, I would encourage you to at least finish the TNG journey if nothing else. You’ve invested 7 seasons, so why not do the four movies and season 3 of Picard? I know Paula isn’t excited about Insurrection or Nemesis, but some major character stuff happens in those. Kat might enjoy them. Then the follow up 20 years later to see what’s happened to everyone…just a thought.

Anonymous
>>101928016

"Excusing it by saying the show is three decades old doesn't cut it." - Yes. It does. The setting may be 300 years in the future, but we cannot and must not condemn the writers of 30 years ago for not having an accurate prediction of culture 300 years from then, or even 30 years from them!. That's just arrogance, nothing more. I would not have predicted 15 years ago that today's culture would be where it is. They got the correct read that the methods the ambassadors used were fundamentally wrong and not the right way. I always took it that the conversations which you want on-screen simply happened off-screen. It seems obvious to me that Picard used the trip home to educate the ambassador and have that conversation, and through that come to understand and forgive, and then BY THE TIME THEY GET BACK he is able to view it as interesting.