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Galaxy's Child, Gallifrey Gals Get Warped! S4Ep16 (Patreon)

Published:
2021-08-31 17:00:05
Edited:
2022-03-01 08:34:23
Imported:
2022-05

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Regarding the episode Galaxy's Child--watching this with Kat specifically the plot line with Geordi and Leah brought up some past events, and some very raw emotional reactions to those events, for both of us. I honestly wasn't expecting it at all, but it happened and it was very vulnerable and visceral. We discuss it at length (as you can imagine) during and after the episode to try to help you understand what we are thinking and feeling in the moment and why.


Because of how vulnerable this conversation truly was, I'm asking that when the reaction comes out, we don't discuss it here, whether you agree with our interpretation of the events between Geordi and Leah or not.


We can ABSOLUTELY discuss the other plot line of the episode! Have at it! But let's please not discuss Geordi and Leah and whether or not their behavior was appropriate. 


After the emotional reaction that occurred when we watched, I want everyone (including us!) to feel safe here. I don't want ANYONE (us and you included) to feel like they need to justify or explain their feelings about Geordi and Leah, whatever your perspective may be.



PAULA DEMING

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KATRINA ALYSHA

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Comments

Dan Williams

My church college period, it was discouraged to be friends between genders. I usually was more comfortable with female friends than male, and most of the time could keep it as only friends, and if not I respected the no, though often my friendship was seen as crush when I really didn't. But the lack of friendship made it difficult to understand everything my girlfriends felt. We felt like only romance or sex could be possible between genders. It resulted in many regrets. And recognizing when I needed to walk away because of my mistakes. I've pushed when I shouldn't, and have been pushed when I didn't want to... And I've seen much worse, and came really close to Ending someone that hurt a friend... Absolute respect for this discussion, I Listened to the whole thing. (That was disjointed, tried to fix, but still... tough to express everything, but not everything...)

Ashley

Skipping eps that make you uncomfortable is totally valid. I hope yall do DS9 in the future.

Sythurizm

I've skipped this episode of TNG for a long time and was not in a good mindset to watch it today. But I'm really glad I went and listened to the discussion after. Thank you both for sharing <3

Brandon Scott

One more thing before my membership expires in a little bit...I don't think it's very right to spend so much time talking about something only to then set a rule that no one who's paying to be here is allow to comment on your conversation or the topic that is integral to the episode. It's kind of a, "we can have our opinions and we want you to pay to hear them but you're not allowed to voice your own." I don't think it's right...I don't think I'm alone in that...and I really hope you guys figures some of this stuff out.

Time Lord

To Everyone that is having trouble with the fact that the Gals asked you to please not discuss a plot line in today's episode that caused a major emotional trigger moment. We ask you this out of a courtesy and consideration for another person. We are not trying to silence anyone or tell you what to think. The Gals clearly express how they felt about this episode and the reaction it caused. If you have a problem and need to tell us how we should feel or what we don't want to talk about please take a moment to self-reflect. These reactions are in the moment reactions. We do not censor ourselves. If you are not happy to be here, then don't. It's as simple as that. When someone asks to not talk about something, remember it's not about you, it's about them setting boundaries to protect themselves. -GG Producer

DC

Love your reactions, as always. If we can't see the faults and missteps in the things we love, I don't think we can consider ourselves real fans. This episode has never been a favorite of mine. As I revisited it with you, I realized why. I think they had a great idea with the alien child story. It's a shame that they couldn't find a way to expand that to a full episode. More conversations on the situation and what had to be a huge scientific occasion would have been great. They literally found new life and a new civilization and it was reduced so much for a poorly-written Geordi story. We could have gotten a Picard/Guinan conversation about space and life, the emotion of mistakes that lead to death (Riker, Worf), thoughts on a baby left without a parent (Crusher), and the nature of life and our human need to nurture (Data). The Geordi/Leah angle should have been them trying to figure out how to use energy to communicate with the child, and as a result, learn to better communicate honestly with each other. There was so much better writing that could have made this a great episode, without the poor Geordi plot.

Matthew Zeidman

I’ll limit discussion, per your previous request. I just want to thank Paula and Katrina for sharing. On a technical note, is there any way you can switch to closed captioning, so the captions can be toggled on and off? If there are subscribers who need captions as an accommodation, I don’t want them to not be able to participate, so if the only options are no captions and open captions, I’ll make due the best I can so they’re not excluded. Generally, however, I find captions to be extraordinarily distracting (to the point where I can’t even pay attention to what’s going on), and closed captioning would allow those who need captions to utilize them and those who don’t to shut them off. It wasn’t so bad when you were just captioning the episode’s dialogue, but actively trying to ignore captions over three parts of the screen is a lot for me.

Time Lord
>>67010878

I am currently working on cc for the episodes, hopefully I’ll get it worked out soon!

Chrissonator
>>66935981

I feel that, I'll admit that being unable to express thoughts on essentially half of the episode's plot is hard, not that I disagree with what was said and such, but more so my own thoughts on that particular aspect of the episode. There's not really much to talk about regarding the space baby side of things, it was really the minor plot of the episode I feel.

Jeff Seely
>>66977033

Hit the nail right on the head. This episode had so much potential that was squandered in the service of a badly written subplot.

Andrew Hogan

So…….., I’m just going to keep my opinions to myself. On we go with the rest of the series.

Anonymous
>>66931435

I'm sorry for everyone that effect the episode in a bad way. I never skip an episode. I watch the hole of star trek every year (now over 800 episodes). I think one kind of storytelling is to show us what is wrong, so I learned my lesson.

Pirateman
>>66933600

I 'GET' it... buuuut it doesn't really effect you much if it all does it? Whereas it directly and greatly effects the Gal Gals who have a visceral experience in their lives and which is triggered by this show, that have gone to the trouble of sharing that; and then have stuff directed at them, whether it's your innocuous opinion or awful attacks. Sooo I guess its a question you have to ask yourself of which is more important to you - their reactions or your ability to say whatever you want to here - you seem to have made the choice that because you don't have the latter, you don't want the former. That's your choice to make, and the Gal Gals definitely aren't owed your money (or time), but it seems to me like its really just punishing yourself. Unless their reactions were a thing you didn't 'really' want anyway? And so the commenting on this particular issue in this particular place and time doesn't really matter either. In which case it's pretty much win-win isn't it?

Pirateman
>>66977033

Great breakdown. Those are such great suggestions for parts I wish I could have seen, to add to Picards scene with the unintended murder of the alien. The excellent Space Calzone story was reduced to a footnote to make way for a terrible implementation of an implications of Holodeck technology story.

Pirateman

Thank you for being open, honest, and sharing with us. Especially via the internet which introduces many problems and even serious dangers, as well as it's plentiful bounties - such as this.

Pirateman

I want a calzone.

Hugo Fitzpatrick

Very strong and important conversation. When I was young and first watching this episode on reruns it felt like it was meant to be dashed expectations, or the fantasy not living up to reality. The older I get and the more we understand this warped "nice guy" narrative the harder it is to stomach this arc. Women everywhere have it rough the majority of their lives. And so much of culture, and culture commissioned/ written and promoted by mostly men, has done us all so dirty in upholding and maintaining horrific tropes and expectations. One that comes to mind is the "chase/ realisation" that is in so many rom-coms, that a mad emotional crescendo must propell the characters together. Often when it is a woman she's clumsy or seems a little crazy, when its men they literally jump through airport security, cause accidents, crash weddings and gaslight and twist all the events in one big monologue... life does not play out like fantasy.

Anonymous

I’m glad I didn’t skip this one. If it gives you any hope I was a “Nice Guy” in my teens and it was the women and non-binary people in my life saying things like what you said here that changed that. I really hope to teach my godson to be better then I was.

Anonymous

Superb after-episode discussion. But I'm gonna chime in with one teensy-weensy little quibble with Paula's assertion that "Society teaches women to put a man's feelings first". Whenever seriously mulling over the ol' Nature vs. Nurture debate, I have discovered that Nature is smarter than Nurture. It's not "Society" that makes men aggressive and women accommodating. Nature, not Nurture, is what makes men men, and women women. Personal story follows: On my first date with my ex (we were never actually married, but I still, to this day, call her "my ex" because she was my longest years-long co-habiting relationship, and my friends know who I'm talking about), we had sex. We'd met at work, hit it off, went on a date to a big party at a friend's house, and ended up back at my condo. (Just to set the picture: She wasn't a "looker". You might even call her a "Plain Jane". But she had a sharp wit, and we bantered beautifully) I put on my "smooth moves" (as smooth as a 20-something's moves can be). And, as we, shall we say, "sank" into love, I noticed a strange almost blank-yet-concerned look on her face. I can only surmise that, at the time, I tried to think nothing of it. But it struck me so much that I remembered it the next morning when she asked me if I knew what "date rape" was. I'd never heard the phrase before. Was she asking me this because she just wants to make conversation, or is something bothering her? I took a guess at what she was getting at, and it horrified me. I'd assumed, at the time (and ever since), that we'd had sex on our first date because she was afraid of saying "no" -- that she was worried that saying "no" might lead to violence. NOW, for the first time in over 30 years, I'm re-thinking my assumption. Was she, in fact, "giving in" to sex on the first date because she was, as Paula said, "putting a man's feelings before" her own? I mean, if she were about to take a bite of a juicy prime rib steak, medium rare, with fried onions in the au jus, hauntingly clinging to the end of her dinner fork, and I said "Can you please pass the salt?", would she have taken the bite first? Or, would she have deferred the bite, to accommodate me, and put the fork down to pass the salt? Maybe that's a silly analogy, but that's why it's so apt to this discussion.