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Dear Patrons,

Our first Group Stream Selection Committee vote has raised questions over how the process will work moving forward, and legitimate concerns over how we make decisions about what we deem appropriate to play together while streaming. I was unaware of how frustrating this would be to some of you, and want to personally apologize for not communicating clearly why the decision was made to not play one of the most suggested games last week. That might feel unfair, not only to people that joined the reward tier in October, but to everyone that has supported our Tuesday Night Group Streams since EZA began. Let me clarify where we’re coming from.

We do not intend for our decision to not stream Senran Kagura Peach Beach Splash to act as a negative commentary on anyone who loves this game. If you’re passionate about it, and you want to share that with our community, we don’t want to discourage you. We’re here to celebrate the games we love, and just because we don’t incorporate something into content we produce, it doesn’t mean we’re sending a message that people should reconsider their feelings or interests. Part of promoting “respect” is realizing that people play games for various reasons, and we never want to assume our opinions are automatically shared by our community at large. Some people have shared that it felt like getting their hand slapped, and that’s a failure on our part.

This decision was made specifically regarding our Tuesday Night Group Stream, and I think that’s an important distinction. Picking the right game for Tuesdays can be tricky. Single vs multiplayer is an issue that comes up a lot. We try to be aware of games that one or more allies are much better at than others in the group, and prepare for the lopsidedness, because it’s boring. We aim for things we can all focus on collectively,like Jackbox or Monopoly or Overcooked, regardless of how many people actually have a controller in their hand.

There are several games, much less controversial than SKPBS, that ended up working terribly in a group environment. Most recently “That’s You!” unexpectedly killed the mood a couple of times by forcing us to be negative to each other, and not in a playful way. “Which one of you was mostly likely to get bullied in high school?” is not a great conversation starter when streaming live reactions from 9 close friends in a garage. There are settings to adjust this, and the game is still a blast, but we were caught off guard.

When we’re streaming, we’re not only showcasing the games, and ourselves, but that feeling of hanging out with friends and enjoying fun stuff. We’re not playing characters. Our reactions to everything are sincere. When a stream falls apart, you can feel it. We don’t have the luxury of ignoring the concerns, no matter the size, of each ally. Some of the best internal debates we’ve had occurred right after a Group Stream ended, because something came up live that we’d never addressed before, and it needed to be resolved then and there. Based on our shared experience of doing this together for a year and a half, it was obvious that the mood in the room playing SKPBS would have been sour. Ben said it best on NeoGAF:

While I personally don't have a problem with overt sexuality ("anime boobs"), that isn't what turned me off. I found that every scene of dialogue was weirdly off-putting. Within minutes, one character calls another a "dumb bitch" and tells her to shut up. A female host is worried about a camera zooming in and seeing her wrinkles. Another character undergoes a test to prove her pervertedness. It was relentless. I said "hey we probably shouldn't stream this" and it was collectively agreed upon. It was a discussion, not an order.

It would have been uncomfortable, which is not always bad. I totally get wanting to see us squirm a little bit, or play something we flat out do not like. The good kind of public discomfort comes from things like arguing our way through The Hall of Greats, playing something we’re all terrible at, or subjecting one of us to VR while the others point and laugh. As I stated during the stream, it’s a fine line. It’s a line we haven’t crossed many times at Easy Allies, but it’s something we need to talk about and, despite our goofs in handling the messaging, I’m glad we’re talking about it now. A lot of these decisions happened behind the scenes previously, when something would be considered for Tuesday night and not chosen. Everyone at the $2 level is a part of that conversation now, and it might take a few weeks to clean up that process.

Our streams are supported by the conversations generated by the games we’re playing. The goal is to not go off the rails or fake interest in the subject matter at hand. Our pass on SKPBS is us accepting that it would make for a lousy Easy Allies Tuesday Night Group Stream. We always want to put our best foot forward, especially when we’re all together, so we have to go with our gut whenever something feels off. In this instance it has to do not only with sexuality, specifically directed at minors, but also language that is not inclusive and could alienate many viewers.  There are a wide range of possible road blocks we’ll have to navigate moving forward. We’ll do our best to explain the reasoning, and we hope that collectively they’ll paint a clearer picture of what we deem appropriate when it’s Group Stream time.

I’m confident with the decision we made, but not happy with how we handled it. There will inevitably be games that we’re not comfortable playing, for many possible reasons. The Group Stream Selection Committee was created to place a priority on what our community wants to see the most. Hopefully you trust us enough to decide what among that tier would make a good Group Stream. Please be respectful to others when addressing this. Listen to multiple perspectives before responding, and avoid singling out people just for things they like. Let’s keep the conversation productive. Thanks to everyone that voted this week. Thanks to everyone that expressed their concerns about this in our forums, on social media, and here on Patreon. I encourage you to keep doing so.

L&R,

Brandon

Comments

Kaypaciat

Love and Respect, I appreciate everything you guys do Thank you

Anonymous

Well stated Jonesy. We love you all and understand. Or i hope we do. L&R always

Anonymous

Completely understandable. You guys know better than any of us what fits in with your flow for your content. Thanks for being transparent about it. L&R

Anonymous

L&R

Anonymous

Here is the one, true answer. Thanks for being awesome.

Anonymous

Thanks, Brandon. This incident has shown me that there are large portions of this community that do not have and do not deserve any respect from me.

Anonymous

Thank You, this post was very much needed. L&R

Anonymous

Thank you so much. L&R.

Anonymous

Now we just need to vote for a game with boobs but good dialogue. (Kidding) (Kinda)

Anonymous

Well said Brandon. Thank you for always being a voice of reason and wisdom.

Anonymous

"but also language that is not inclusive and could alienate many viewers." So no allies will swear on group streams and games without vulgar language won't be played anymore either?

Anonymous

I feel bad for needing such a response from you guys, but I'm really happy you decided to speak up in the end. We all screw up, thankfully it's not hard to get your attention when things need addressing. I can't fault the decision that was made, only had issues with the execution. Among other concerns. You've put that to rest for me.

Anonymous

L&R Jones. It was definitely the right call.

Anonymous

"language that is not inclusive" does not necessarily mean "vulgar language"

VGJunky

L&R

Anonymous

I don't understand all it this entitlement and you guys should never be afraid to do the right thing for you.

Anonymous

Getting basically scalded on a live stream for suggesting you guys play a game was what we had an issue with.

Anonymous

This is like my Refill of Jones.

David Kenyon

I dont understand people getting upset by this. I bought the game and I fully understand not wanting to play it on your channel.

Anonymous

I'm glad you agree that it was poorly explained. I think everyone knows why the game was actually decided to be skipped on but it just seems really crappy to do it on the FIRST group stream pick and then make it sound like the community was full of perverts and trolls. This is truly the first time I've been extremely frustrated by EZA's response to something. I personally appreciate seeing that you all realized it was an issue and have addressed it. This helps to let some of that frustration go for sure. Love and Respect

Anonymous

Bloody enter key ruining my post. I was going to continue on about how it’s impossible to turn back time and reword that so it didn’t sound like you were just slapping the faces of all the people who upvoted it because they weren’t “participating in the right way” or whatever malarkey, but it’s good that you’ve put out a detailed response to this. Maybe now the other fans won’t scream at the PBS fans for being hentai lovers or whatever.

Brandon K Gann

Wow. I really appreciate this letter Mr. Jones. Thanks for taking the time to address this. May I offer a suggestion, maybe parts of it you could use: Could the Allies put together some sort of guidelines, or a list clearly and comprehensively stating what will not pass on to a vote? It could only be a few amount, but having two or three qualifiers that lay out why a game may be disqualified could assist in helping understand why a submission is not selected. This is not a perfect or even solid solution, but maybe could provide inspiration for additional communication.

Matthew Ray

I appreciate the statement, and taking the time to try and anticipate how the stream would be received. However it makes me feel uncomfortable that there will be exceptions made for some games and not others because of presentation when they have the excat same type of content. It also makes me uncomfortable that a game that the $2 patrons wanted to see did not get played because of the possible minority feeling bad about it. It kinda ruins the whole point of the $2 tier if the games chosen don't get played. I'm not expect a change in policy on this, nor do I expect a response, all I ask is it be taken in consideration.

Anonymous

thanks for the clarification jones. I didn't know that the game had mean dialogue it would of killed the jolly vibes meant for the group stream.

Andrew Malkin

I think something like that might be hard to quantify, as games are usually more than just a sum of their parts and what might work in one context may not work in another.

Anonymous

This is such a weird paradox where people understood why you didn't play the game on a group stream, but got mad because you didn't explain why? You made the right choice though. L&R

Anonymous

You shouldn't need to explain yourself like this. I thought everything was explained very clearly. And I'm fairly sure that most people upvoted Peach Beach for its meme value more than its subtle mechanics. But I think this is the right thing to do by your community.

Anonymous

Well done sirs. L&R

Anonymous

Thanks for the statement Jones and Ben. L&R!

Anonymous

Bear in mind that that $2 is 4 votes a month, not 1. So that's really only 50 cents. They didn't play it because they were sure they wouldn't put on a good show for their largest stream of the week.

MaxVSTheGames

Thanks Brandon. I agree that this game would have been in poor taste for the stream.

Anonymous

Very well said.

Anonymous

100% with you guys. This shouldn't even be required as you explained it on the stream.

Anonymous

No need to explain! I am a patron because I trust your decisions to produce the best content. That game would not have made for a good stream. Thanks for all you do!

Anonymous

This is the downside of community-driven content. If you aren't willing to 'play along' with the community then you shouldn't offer it as an option. I don't mean to be rude or anything, it's just the way it goes, and that's ok. I think the previous system of Kyle picking a handful of games and us voting was perfectly fine. I like EZA's unique brand of interest-based curation. I say just go back to that.

Anonymous

Just have Kyle pick the 3 games and the 4th is the selection committee game and then have the vote

Nick Owens

This was extremely well put. I come for positive and fun group streams and I personally don't think that game would have provided either. I don't understand why people want to see the Allies uncomfortable and playing a game like this when it is so clearly outside of what makes them who they are. I don't mind some dirty stuff in my games but I wouldn't push that on anyone else and certainly not force people to make content about it that will be added to their channels and archives. It's stuff like folks voting for this and calling it a cop out that alienates viewers. I trust the Allies to do what they think is best for their viewers and if you are somehow offended because they didn't choose to play something they personally didn't like that is fine. You are feeling like some people would have felt if they had played it.

Anonymous

You made the right call. I played Peach Beach Splash for the novelty of it and was very uncomfortable with it. Shooting an underage schoolgirl in the crotch until she practically "climaxes" is ... pretty bad, especially since that's how you take out half of the people you defeat in a single match. I didn't enjoy it for the novelty, and my standards are probably much lower than most of the viewers.

Anonymous

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's outside of what makes them who they are. One reason - maybe one of the biggest reasons - PBS was picked was because Ben brought it up during E3. I forget the full context, but it was something like "hey check out this cool thing you might have otherwise missed" It made some folks uncomfortable, but not in a harmful way, more of a "wow, never expected that one", which I think is exactly the response the community wanted out of the group and stream proper

Ian Alexander

This was well said, and I think it's very important to post these kinds of things to the community whenever there's a misunderstanding even with a small portion of the community. We always criticize big game companies for not communicating with their fans, so its important that EZA and the Patrons communicate with each other well. I wouldn't want to see patron numbers drop because people felt reprimanded and didn't understand why. Thanks for taking the time to explain your reasons!

Anonymous

I totally missed this whole debacle. When I clicked on the Swords game play, which I was super excited to see, I had no idea why it had so many dislikes. Unfortunately, with the vote being at the $2 tier, I think you will get some people just voting for a game because they think it will "be funny." However, there probably were a lot of people that just said, "That would be great to see." If the group isn't going to play certain games, then there needs to be guidelines. Personally, next week I would vote for Evil Within 2. I really want to see everyone experience that game. However, I recognize that it might not be the best to stream for the group stream or is a game that Huber or someone else would stream a full play through of. Maybe just a guideline of: the game is not deemed inappropriate and all allies would be willing to participate in the game. This way, if the top game doesn't fit the guidelines, maybe the second most voted one does. I understand your point, and I also understand why people were frustrated. Hopefully, we can all smooth out the kinks going forward. Love and Respect, Maggie.

Anonymous

I don't know much about the game outside of the promo pictures and basic nature of what I can tell it's about but from what Brandon outlined I believe this is the right choice overall. That last beach stream was funny to me but it seems like this game might just take that to another level, that's unwanted by the allies at large. Also I think this whole thing shouldn't even be an issue as the first vote post clearly stated that SKPBS is banned. It's not like it won the vote and then after the fact Kyle or Brandon decided to ban it. It was done before hand, hopefully everyone that voted actually read the entire post first, I guess not. I believe they have every right to "ban" something before hand even when it comes to community voting. Appropriately, the 9 members of EZA are still always in charge and in this case I think it's justified. L&R :D EDIT: The game was veto'd after as I forgot the poll was a factor of the previous voting post. Either way I still stand by the decision they made. But now I can understand anyone's outrage at the ban since it happened after the preliminary votes. Ok, bye.

Anonymous

The problem was mostly about the community belittling people that play pbs

Anonymous

Much as it would've been fun, it's much safer to just go back to how it was done before.

Anonymous

Bloody Roar 2

Anonymous

I appreciate that Ben took time to check out the game before the veto was issued. You guys should have mentioned that!

Anonymous

The reality is that this is a bad method of choosing the group stream. We are consumers, not creators and as such we cannot collectively be trusted to make good decisions, no matter how dedicated fans we may be. The questions that are submitted to various shows are meticulously curated by the allies to make sure they work. It is the talent of the allies trying to do what is entertaining and being good at it that makes everything worth watching. In the last group stream it was Kyle ensuring the audience could follow along and not just watch some guys play a card game. He understood the danger of losing the crowd and like a professional did what he could to save it. The bottom line is that we as the community are at our worst when we are not filtered through the creativity of the allies. This is why we can’t have nice things.

Anonymous

Ian helped massively as well by explaining the rounds as they played out. Without an overhead camera of the table it was simply too hard to make out exactly what was going on otherwise.

Trey Thompson

Well said, Mr. Jones. This post is very well worded, and explains the EZA stance perfectly. Growing pains are always tough, and although I'm not sure the new voting system will work, I don't blame your for trying new things, and I'm excited to see how it goes. Most importantly, I'm glad that the distinction is being made between not thinking it was a good streaming game, and telling people they shouldn't play it(Since that's how most of the Youtube comments seemed to take it). I'm not a fan of the game, nor was I looking forward to it if it won, but I'm glad you all made your stance clear.

Anonymous

My first reaction was that it didn't feel right to just veto the vote... After the E3 talk/reactions you guys made for the game, I thought it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the final game. It seemed to be a bit like Splatoon, but with boobs, but after reading in your post what was in it, and seeing some of the commenters telling about the game, it wouldn't have been a good choice at all. Last week after pausing and thinking for myself a bit, I came to the conclusion that I have to respect your decision, and that you really must do what you guys feel is right, so I really do think you made the right decision for the situation that you were in. I also agree that it wasn't handled very well, both in the first post about vetoing it, and live on the stream. I also think the new system isn't working very well... in my opinion, it should probably go back to the old way, of you guys taking 3 or 4 games, and letting us vote on just that. As is, it's way to many posts to go through and vote on. Another solution, would be to take suggestions, but not necessarily take the one with the most hearts. But pick a few games from the suggestions that we can vote on, and you feel fits the stream. I have supported you since the GT-days (I was a twitch subscriber back then), and I've been a patreon supporter of you guys since day 1, and I will continue to do so! This or any other "mistake" won't change that! :) I do believe in you guys, and the slogan of love and respect has meant a lot to me, and changed the way I see the world and the people in it. It means respecting other people, and their decisions, even when you don't necessary have the same views. L&R! PS. After seeing the backlash on youtube and elsewhere, I do hope all of you guys are feeling/doing ok, and taking care of each other... I don't wish for any of you loosing sleep of something like this... :(

Anonymous

Senran Kagura; beach peach splash never disrespected the flag, Senran girls just wanted same justice that other games get. Not to be judged by the size of their breasts, confidence in their bodies and the language they use. Just because you're Senran doesn't mean you're inferior. Maybe someday in America all games can be treated equally, no matter their voice or appearance.

Anonymous

Very thoughtful answer Brandon, thanks. It all boils down to communication, which you have been very good at. I think the reason the outcry was as bad as it was is in big part due to this being the first group stream that used this system. I imagine it being very frustrating to pick a game this way the first time and having it vetoed. I felt a bit like that when tekken bowl won the poll and you played something else. But you've always provided good reasons for those changes and that's what matters, you being open and willing to share how those decisions are made. I look forward to your next group stream, L&R!

Anonymous

Agreed with the poster above that said this exemplifies why the Patrons should not be allowed to choose anything that the Allies do. I support you guys financially because I care about what you think, not about what this community thinks; quite the opposite, in fact.

Anonymous

I greatly appreciated the write-up, Brandon. I was also very proud of Ben's post on Neogaf. I think it is really great that the Allies are actively taking steps to create a more inclusive community. I am not sure if this was said on the Podcast or a Frame Trap but it was a great point that not all feedback should be listened-to. The Allies made the right call on this one, and I will gladly double my subscription to make up for anyone who pulls funding over their favourite breast simulator not being streamed. ...but something tells me it is reactionary internet crybabies, and not EZA Patrons which are being the loudest. Proud of all the comments I have seen above. EZA have fostered a great community. Love and Respect.

Anonymous

Brandon you are killing it and you should be the next Batman. What a week 😂 L&R

VGJunky

Don't forget that part of the message was about not shaming people that like a thing you don't happen to like.

Jay Rutley

This also helps curtail the very real possibility of people just deciding to troll with horribly bad game suggestions just for the lulz. We've all seen Twitch donations for popular streamers done purely so people could 'get one over' or insult the streamer. It seems that a service you can cancel from like Patreon would probably be even more open to abuse than that.

Anonymous

You're one hell of a professional, Jones!

Anonymous

I back this choice to not stream srkpbs just like you should probably not stream dead or alive but have you thought about maybe streaming the new Neptune game or or even uppers

Anonymous

I must have missed this whole controversy. When I watched the Twitch archive I just noticed it was a card game which I wasn't interested in so I skipped this week. (how can I use enter here?) I imagine the game with boobs was a cheeky submission from people who just wanted to see how you guys would react on stream, as previous weeks with VR games and such. In the end the EZA crew decides what game is played and that's it, I'm surprised that this was apparently a huge deal that needed this post to address it.

Anonymous

yeah i totally understand anyway even though i voted for beach splash, it was totally a gag vote and would have voted for swords in the final poll anyway and i imagine many other patrons would as well (vs a youtube audience) it would have been fun to see kyle's reaction especially but i imagine many would bore of it after 20mins anyway and does not fit that great for a live stream vs an edited video such as when vegeta (teamfourstar) played it and in an obviously much more fitting style. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUtktr31nNw" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUtktr31nNw</a> the above video also gives a good example of the in game characters personalities they mean(dumb bitch, master etc)

Anonymous

Love and respect Jones and the EZA crew. I agree with a previous comment about taking recommendations, but do not let the whole community pick them. It'd be best to go back to the old method.

Anonymous

This was a much more professional response rather than Kyle playing the banning off as a bit. More of this will result in less drama down the line.

Anonymous

I may be in the minority, but I actually appreciate that this was not played on the group stream. Dialogue along the lines of what Ben mentions in his NeoGAF post would have made me way too uncomfortable for me to watch you all play it. I hope that people who are disappointed that this was vetoed can understand that viewpoint at the very least.

Anonymous

As others have said, my issue is not with the game not being played, it with the way you guys communicated the veto. I think above comment said it best . If you aren't willing to 'play along' with the community then you shouldn't offer it as an option.

Anonymous

agreed i voted on it as a kinda gag vote though it woulda been fun for kyle and others to react to it for 10mins but in the end i was voting for swords(ians card game) anyway. also shift+enter(aka return) i fully expected them to just ignore some games i was certain people would vote for things like hunniepop or that recent party sex game that was all over twitch not long ago etc

Anonymous

I can't believe it's come to this in the first week. I'd rather the committee be able to just vote on the games Kyle picks and that's it.

Anonymous

i'm surprised so many people were serious about it, while it personally would have been fun to see some of the reactions, plain and simple(similer to kyle at e3) it's not a good game and would have got boring after 10+mins. not sure on how beach splash stacks up but here is a great example of the previous game from the guys who do dragon ball abridged(in character) <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUtktr31nNw" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUtktr31nNw</a> the 1st min alone give a great example for the characters (one girl being a masochist for example )

Anonymous

Ah... That political correctness thing.

Anonymous

Well said!

Alexander Zyryanov

I think, it's more than reasonable to give Allies the final word, because even for Podcast Producers there are some restrictions. We fund Easy Allies, but it doesn't mean we own them.

Anonymous

Removing my sub from your patreon, and I wont resub until I see some real improvement.

Anonymous

shame patreon has no way to have user submitted poll's similar to the whole boaty mcboatface thing which i believe number 5 was picked lol, maybe having the suggestions cut off after 24-48 hours and the putting all suggestions that had more than 20? votes into the poll would work better and then either using that poll or make another with the top 3 alone

Anonymous

I prefer having Kyle pick three games. I don't think community involvement in this besides voting on a pre-baked selection is engaging or desirable. It wasn't broken before, and I'm not sure if you guys thought you were fixing something by including this new feature or whether you were trying to add value to the tier, but... it's broken now.

Anonymous

I don't even know why this is a question. If Easy Allies find something to be undesirable then they are well within their rights to say no. I am happy with any decision they make as it is always for the best.

Anonymous

I really can't believe people are mad or anything like that because of NOT playing this game for group stream. I do think letting the people vote for any game is a great thing, but for me it's obvious that choosing this game for the stream is just to see some dumb and awful reactions. For choosing this game the community has shown that it's not always great and certainly not always with love &amp; respect unfortunately. Like Alexander Zyryanov says, it's more than reasonable to give the Allies the final word at what is going to be played. Whether it was impossible to get or the game just being inappropriate to stream with everybody for everybody. I can't agree with Smellykimchee as well. It's not a black and white thing. The Allies are trusting the people who are donating $2 or more to pick a fun,great,bad or whatever game to play on tuesday. They have the final word whether it's going to be played or not. They want to 'play along' with the community, but apparently sometimes you just can't. I even think that Jones' explanation, however great, isn't needed at all. To me it was a very logical and easy decision. And being political correct or choosing to not PUBLICLY share/stream as a BRAND this type of language, attitude and misogyny are two different things.

Anonymous

Jones this sounds so much better than "participate the right way next time" and it saved me from cancelling my pledge, which I was very close to. It was not the decision for many, I'd say most of us disgruntled ones, but the messaging and communication.

Chris Penwell

I personally like the old way. You choose the games and we vote. I don't want the audience to control your content. We are backing you because we want to see your passion for gaming and the games you like or think would be funny to play, not meme games or flings of the week that are forced on you. I'd also hate to see a PUBG stream, but that's just me. I don't like the idea of the Group Selection Committee and I hope at some point you guys switch back! Keep up the great content though!

Anonymous

I don't get the discussion at all. If you don't feel good about the stream don't do it. If you are not having fun the viewers won't either. But as jones said, communication is key here. So no worries. Love and respect!

Anonymous

Brandon / EZA: You didn't have to do this but shows your respect for the community you are building / have built. It is sad that small things, in the grand scheme of all that goes on, gets blown up to a level where people have to defend their thoughts / decision for things that do not really matter all that much. I love gaming but some of what goes on just makes me wonder about it all sometimes...

Anonymous

Well said, Jones! I hope this clarification will help the Allies that were hurt by this descision. However, there were some people that didn't react in an L&amp;R way and I wish they would take that slogan more seriously. To fund EZA means to contribute to L&amp;R and not to control them in any kind of way.

Anonymous

Brandon, you nailed it. Anyone still mad after reading that is going to be mad anyway. The whole thing was just an exercise in patiences on your part and on the part of the rest of us. Can't believe people threw a fit online over this. Please don't think they represent the majority. Of course Jones comes in as the total class act. Going to bump pledge soon. Keep up the fantastic work!

Anonymous

i can see why and this method currently has some quirks but i can see it only for the better in many weeks their is an obvious winner say mario odyssey in 2 weeks time but what the audience vote does is allow more interested votes in the slower weeks such as last week clearly no one cared about the weeks big release (shadow of war) which allowed some more unique games "swords"(which i doubt ian would ever try to force into the group steam himself) and "secret Hitler" (likely more suited being a slower board game) and "golf story". i personally liked the swords stream and thankfully kyle realised quickly to announce the play by play. now no doubt there will be a couple kinks i already have noticed alot of votes for jackbox even though its a tournament but people will start to under stand what works themselves

Anonymous

Very concise explanation. Though I was not one of the discontent patrons, I understood where they were coming from and am glad you have shown us the transparency around your decision.

Anonymous

As someone said above 'Please don't think they represent the majority.' This whole thing is ridculous and embarassing. Continue to do what you do please, dont let them affect you.

Anonymous

I feel like 1 write in option selected by us and 3 by kyle (not from suggestions just as he selected before) would be a good balance

Anonymous

Heyyyy EU Patron here :) can't make it to the group streams live so this flew under my radar. I totally respect your decision, this is what EZA is all about, L&amp;R

Anonymous

I love this response and feel better again, but personally I just don't get what's bad about a little bit of perverted humour. I like all kinds of humour and I know that different people like different kinds of humour (or no humour...), but SKs humour not being inclusive is one opinion I just don't understand. The characters are having simple, dumb fun (just like most EZA group streams you know), so the players can laugh about the dumb things the characters are saying. Nobody is getting hurt. How the things in this jolly game could hurt anyone is honestly beyond me. It just seems narrow-minded and exclusive to me. I don't think everyone has to like it, but they should accept it, cause just like I said before, nobody's getting hurt, it's just a fun videogame that shouts "How about you have a fun time playing a fun videogame, huh?!". Prejudices are pretty bad. + I do think there are some really bad games, that really make you think what the creators thought while making this hot pile of shit, but jolly old Senran Kagura certainly isn't one of them ;) Now I can't wait anymore till I finish university, get a job, become a Podcast Sponsor and have Brandon say "I love Senran Kagura", just like he says "I love microtransactions" or "I love the XBox" at the end of the podcast ^^

Anonymous

i think there is a difference where somthing like keijo can be taken purely in fun and senran goes a bit too far, now i have not played beach splash but if it's of the same level as previous games and i can see where they are coming from for example this video <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUtktr31nNw&amp;t=37s" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUtktr31nNw&amp;t=37s</a> though i personally hoped they would have does a quick gag and at least had like the opening and then the playstation "breaking" though that may have made things worse. also don't forget there are plenty of younger people and parents with kids and older audiences etc so while i as a 23yr old male anime fan won't really look twice at this easy allies has alway been much more SFW in general vs say funhaus

Anonymous

To be quite frank, I personally don't have any particular feelings towards SKPBS. You vetoing the game was't an issue from my point of view. But the way how you handled it on the Stream with just saying nope and "it's crossing a line" felt bad. You're not a company traded in public on a stock exchange. You don't need the typical business speech to get out of a sticky situation. Just plainly explain why you made the decision. I think that is what Love and Respect is all about. I hope that in the future you're going to be very clear and upfront of why or why not you are vetoing a specific game.

Branden Baisden

This mentality has always been there, just this game and this voting session was the right spark.

Branden Baisden

It's about a certain population trying to claw their way to have their tastes remain relevant.

Anonymous

So i assume the EZA community is a bit of a sausage fest based on similar channels (funhaus) that have a 80%+ male audience i wonder how any of the girls have chimed in bit hard to tell by name alone.

Anonymous

To the EZA Crew: this response is great. I also, personally, would have thought it unnecessary, but I don't visit the forums to see any of this backlash. I'm not sure how this blew up so royally, but I can't deny that a portion of the blame goes upon us (the Patrons) as well as you all. As an adult I already knew SKPBS wouldn't be streamed when I scrolled past it, remembered one clip I saw of it during E3 and thought yeah this is obviously an unlikely end result (regardless of # of votes); I still laughed &amp; hearted it btw, just to appease the what if scenario in my mind I already knew wouldn't exist. My own actions show the issue you (the EZA Crew) have unintentionally created by opening up the weekly group stream recommendation process. I feel that this clearly shows the issue of you giving a body of people too much input. I know you want the community to feel involved but you can't give children (which is what any large group of anonymous people tend to revert to) free reign. There needs to be a semblance of order. The previous decision process was fine to me, but I'm aware that Kyle has either found it too time consuming (or run out of ideas?). Either way, if the overall intent of the Patrons choosing the game from the ground up is to remain, the process must be adjusted. I know you won't (And Shouldn't) raise the tier level for this "reward", which would shrink the pool but simultaneously alienate a large portion of the community. Yet, you should consider some form of alteration to the process. There needs to be some form of EZA Crew filtration before suggestions are submitted (like a weekly theme / genre to guide suggestions). I also recommend limiting the # of post to the weekly suggesstion thread. Its already a first come first to be voted on process anyways. So by limiting # of overall submissions you have fewer choices and the options are more likely to reflect the more involved community members desires. You could also remove the hearting system, we all simply post what we want to see, then through RNG you pick five to be officially voted on (I LIKE THIS OPTION THE BEST). Anyways ways, I'm sure you'll work this out and I do appreciate where your intentions lay on this one. TO ALL THE OTHER PATRONS, Its about being inclusive to all potential viewers and participants, simple. Your / Mines / Our singular desires can't trump the will of the group (perceived or otherwise). Move on with your lives, this isn't as big a deal as it is being made out to be. L&amp;R.

Anonymous

Very well said Brandon! I feel you did a great job addressing the situation here and cleared up a lot for many people. The new process will undoubtedly undergo growing pains but you’ll get through it overtime. Love &amp; Respect

Anonymous

I am a woman and, although games like this make me roll my eyes to an extent, I just ignore them. I have no idea if it would have made a decent group stream game in general; I do know, on a personal level, that there are a tonne more interesting games to watch EZA play.

Anonymous

feel similar though the biggest backlash seems to be the youtube comment section of the video

Anonymous

We didn't "throw a fit" just like the woman that felt unwelcome by DoAX3 didn't "throw a fit", we felt disrespected and unwelcome due to the messaging.

Anonymous

I love me some anime boobs but people should be reasonable enough to understand there's a time and place for everything, and in Senran Kagura's case, a group stream meant to entertain a large and fairly diverse audience is clearly not it. That's really all there is to it. People who feel attacked by a perfectly rational argument need to chill out, and so do those who would rather fling insults and sweeping generalizations than talk things out like the allies did.

Anonymous

I support EZA's decision to not stream the game for the reasons Brandon cited. Thanks for this post Brandon, but it really wasn't necessary.

Anonymous

You should have still played it but had a trigger warning before the stream.

Anonymous

I've never hearted something with more conviction. Brandon has a great way with words and has explained everything thoroughly. I agree that you guys mishandled the situation quite a bit, but the veto was done for good reasons, and certainly not to disrespect fans. That said the whole community failed big time and showed how little they may adhere to the L&amp;R mantra, when things get heated. I've been disappointed by both pro Senran Kagura failing to understand reason, threatening to remove pledges, blaming Ian, Kyle or anyone else without knowing anything, and anti Senran Kagura being dismissive towards the situation and trying to ridicule fans of the game by addressing them as weebs, immature or creeps just for liking something else. I urge everyone to go back and listen again to Brandon's speech in Cup of Jones about Love &amp; Respect, and about how it's a daily process of trying to understand others without being dismissive of their feelings. Almost nobody in these few days did that and that saddens me greatly.

Anonymous

Lol this is going to be the first major community issue? Easy allies is amazing. Group streams are about being jolly not about anime boobs. The game at best is a solo stream.

Anonymous

You guys should get a web developer to make some sort of polling system on your site. Where people have to submit opencritic urls, then have it take the top 3 submitted games and put them to a vote. The only issue would be people making multiple accounts. Otherwise it's pretty simple to make.

Anonymous

Maybe the guys at patron could see some sort of value in this voting system. Explain it to them like splatoon, where people submit cake or icecream and it tally's up each submission per user. On facebook they have a similar feature where in events you make a poll and others can add to the poll, not quite what you need though.

Anonymous

Well done Jones, 100% support from my side.

Anonymous

I can't speak to how much I appreciate the transparency you guys exhibit with your patrons. I may not always agree with future decisions you make, but being open and quick to communicate REALLY gives me comfort in my patronage. Thank you Allies. L&amp;R

Anonymous

Love &amp; Respect!!! :)

Anonymous

I've never seen so much drama over a titty game.

Anonymous

When it comes down to it, this is still people watching other people play a video game over the internet. To me, there's a limit on how serious you can take that. So why are we even talking about this? Brandon, you guys should not feel responsible to handle immature people with kid gloves.

Anonymous

I appreciate the apology and explanation, but I think you really should just go back to having Kyle pick the nominees to be voted on. You sort of opened this can of worms on yourselves by creating that $2 tier and not explaining to people beforehand that a veto was even a thing that could happen. The poorly worded explanation during the stream only made things worse, and it seems like certain self-righteous members of the community took the messaging as permission to harass anyone who might like those fanservicey games. But hey, you live and you learn! L&amp;R!

Anonymous

I fully support the Allies on this. While I get why the game was chosen and am in now way, shape or form against ecchi anime material, this was the right call and I appreciate Brandon explain this. I personally expected this to happen since the community got the power to choose something and actually feared it would be worse. I preferred Kyle picking a troll, a popular and a jolly game and the community seeing what they felt like as opposed to this happening. As always, you clear communication is appreciated and stand behind your decision 100%

Anonymous

You made the right call. I support it 100%. One way to maybe prevent this from happenning in the future would be to edit the list of games submitted before the community gets to vote on it. The games are submitted and voted on by the community. EZA gets to remove the ones they're not comfortable to have for group stream. Everybody wins. Keep up the good work !

44stars

Thanks Brandon for an actual transparent and detailed response about this issue! I think that, for a lot of people, the problem wasn't strictly about Senran Kagura not getting picked, but rather about how the problem was adressed/dismissed in the first place. Hopefully it can continue to be like this.

VGJunky

The community issue was less about the game than it was the communication/messaging around the veto, and then the subsequent rift in the community in chat/GAF/Patreon comments showing disrespect regardless of which side people happened to fall on.

VGJunky

I think it was necessary for a lot of people to get some closure on the issue

Anonymous

agree completely. keep making the right decision for the allies to continue making videos

Anonymous

I really didn't know this was an issue until this letter was posted as I'm a largely passive supporter. I read Kyle's comment about the veto a few days ago, googled the game to know what it was, and didn't think twice about it. Now, considering how much podcast content the allies have surrounding controversies, and how many creative ideas have been suggested by them on how they would like to see those handled... It would be nice to see a more humorous and self-aware video apology. I'm not trying to be flippant or dismissive of anyone's opinion on either side, I just thought that would be in-character with EZA content and might lighten the mood. L&amp;R

Anonymous

Thanks Jones, agree with your decision not to play it as a group stream. A real shame how this blew up though. Maybe giving the community that kind of power wasn't a great idea even though I respect you for trying

Anonymous

Thank you Brandon for being honest and open regarding this issue. An extremely well worded response. This is why I admire the EZA team.

Anonymous

I think I know the best way to please everyone now! Instead of using this ("In this instance it has to do not only with sexuality, specifically directed at minors, but also language that is not inclusive and could alienate many viewers.") one bad sentence, you should just say: "We don't like the vibes of SKPBS" and everyone can understand where you're coming from and just say "Oh, okay, good, everyone likes different things, can't complain if they don't like the vibes, let#s enjoy the actual Swords stream now :)", cause that is not condescending and (in my opinion) would not cause any misunderstandings. VIBE was the word we were missing during this whole conversation! A word that the Allies should know so well. It could have been so easy! (after reading through this again it kinda sounds like I'm trolling or something like that, but I can assure you that I am 100% sincere here!)

Anonymous

You all always have my support. I don't participate in the Group Streams (Just timing, that's my game time too!) but from the sounds of it, the right call was made. Respectful inclusiveness is one of the reasons I love this community so much. Thanks for such a thoughtfully written response to an issue that impacted the community.

Anonymous

I feel as though this is a terribly condescending and non-inclusive response. While rage isn't justifiable, I do think there are some legitimate concerns raised by what happened, specifically as it pertains to the communication of the message. Dismissing any legitimate complaint without any discussion on the matter feels quite irresponsible, as Easy Allies are funded by their community. In some ways that means their community will want (and maybe even deserves) open and up-front communication. I respect Brandon's decision to write this in a Patreon post, and I hope this will be a stepping stone to learning the best way to interact with the community in the future. It's a learning process, but just because it's not a big deal to you does not mean that people in the community were not offended. I do not think it is right to dismiss that.

Anonymous

Honestly I expected this kind of thing to happen as soon as you put the choice into the hands of the Patrons. Nobody should be forced to stream something they don’t want to or are uncomfortable with.

Anonymous

L &amp; R

Anonymous

Just looking at the comments here VS the ones on youtube you can see that most of the negative comments don't come from patreons.

Anonymous

L&amp;R

Patrick

This makes complete sense to me. L&amp;R

Anonymous

I think the problem was how this was communicated live on the night of. A simple, “Hey Allies, sorry we won’t be playing SKPBS after all. It made a lot of us uncomfortable, so we’re going to play the 2nd runner up instead. Thank you committee for giving us other great options.” The “don’t pick games like this from now on”, line was the weird part.

Anonymous

I 100% agree. L&amp;R is not for disrespect, and playing something that someone will feel uncomfortable with is not respectful. Swords was a great pick and I'm confident that the right choice will be made each week. PS. I put State of Emergency for the vote, hope enough people like that. I think you could all have some brain numbing fun!

Anonymous

Glad you wrote this because the way you explained it really did not come across well in the stream. As an aside, it might appease some upset folks (that doesn't include myself, I didn't vote) if one or two of you streamed the game separately, to make it clear your issue is not with the game, but rather with streaming it on Tuesday night.

Anonymous

Pledges go up and will continue to. As EZA receives more and more attention there will be those that come and go. This community will not be for everyone. However, the ones that respect what people have here will stay and support it. Plenty of cesspools out there already full of drama. If we survived the trial of Kyle Bosman...we can survive anything. ;)

Anonymous

I think it's understandable not playing the selection committee's pick if it's a controversial/divisive game. I imagine that EZA's aim is to find a game that many in the community can enjoy watching. Which I'm guessing was the whole idea of a selection committee, to provide a channel for the community to promote games that they'd like. Ot

Anonymous

It's a pity that it misfired since the game chosen has content that many would consider offensive truthfully

Anonymous

Thank you very much Brandon and Allies for this thoughtful &amp; apologetic response. While I personally did not have any real stake in the "peach beach splash" controversy (I was rooting for Sonic &amp; All-Stars Racing Transformed), I could not help but feel there was bit of "stand off-ish" approach, dare I say a imperial dictation to the community in vetoing PBS without a clear expression of communication on the matter. However it is absolutely understandable that the 9 "Easy Allies", you fine gentleman, must protect your brand from any potential threats, and do what you think is best for all aspects of the Easy Allies brand. Unfortunately as a result of such a decision people I think were hurt and confused by the lack of direct honesty and communication on the matter. Which is personally the main aspect that I was affected by, in particular how greatly disheartened I was by the division created within the patron Allies as a result of this incident. Following what occurred was patrons denouncing &amp; persecuting one another for having different beliefs, opinions and motivations for playing different games is not morally right, fair and clearly does not embody the credence of the Easy Allies: Love &amp; Respect. Unfortunately this is a scenario where everyone has blood on their hands. However, I think all the 9 Allies, and (for the most part) all the patron Allies have good hearts with good intentions about expressing gaming opinions with Love &amp; Respect towards each other. Knowing that, I know for a fact we can all move on and look forward to the future as Easy Allies together.