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No Surrender 2010

Just last month, 83 Weeks covered TNA Hardcore Justice 2010 that had a defacto ECW reunion show. And now we’re back to the regular roster building towards No Surrender which took place on September 5th, 2010 in the Impact Zone.

Observer 8/16/10

It looks like we’ve got yet another new direction, this time based on a feud with the heel Fortune group against the EV 2.0 group. The big angle on the 8/9 show saw a beat down on EV 2.0, resulting in serious injuries to RVD (it may have been something Abyss did with them) and teasing they are career ending. So they are doing a tournament for the vacant TNA title. At the 8/10 tapings when Eric Bischoff announced the tournament, he said the finals would be at Bound for Glory. That may or may not mess up advertising the company had sent to cable companies building No Surrender around Kurt Angle vs. Jeff Hardy, but that could also end up being the title finals. The plan all along with for Angle to go through the top ten and end up as champion.

Why the tournament that would run 8 weeks to Bound of Glory? Was the long term direction changing quickly here to make a shift of this nature this quickly after a PPV that featured none of the regular talent except for really RVD?

Rob Eckos, who had a tryout match with Bobby Fish at the last set of tapings, has been signed to a deal. Eckos, 26, has been a longtime Northeast independent worker. Fish didn’t get an offer as they felt he didn’t play to the crowd enough and was too bland. Fish worked the match like it was a contest while Eckos was more outgoing and worked the crowd.

Both Rob Eckos (Robert Stone) and Bobby Fish are now members of NXT. What didn’t TNA see in Fish and did Eckos show that much character to overshow Fish as a worker to get him signed?

Roderick Strong got a tryout match at the 8/10 tapings.

In August of 2010 we’ve now talked about 3 regular members of the NXT roster getting tryouts for Impact. Does it lead credence to the notion that TNA was all about pushing older stars and didn’t have an eye for younger talent that could be molded and shaped and pushed as homegrown stars?

On the next TV after Hardcore Justice called “The Whole F’N Special” Kurt Angle defeated AJ Styles, Angelina Love beat Madison Rayne to win the Knockouts title, Shannon Moore debuted in a losing effort to Jeff Hardy and the Motor City Machine Guns defeated Beer Money in a ⅔ falls match to win the tag team titles. In the main event RVD & Abyss with you Eric as the referee RVD pinned Abyss after a bunch of hardcore gimmicks were used. How did you feel being a referee during that match and do you think the gimmicks took away from it?

After the match Hogan comes out and puts over the EV 2.0 wrestlers and then the TNA wrestlers attack EV 2.0 with Fortune leading the way and the show ends with Flair cutting a promo on Dixie Carter. This leads to the vacating of the title.

Observer 8/18/10

Apparently the reason RVD lost the title is because he signed a contract with a specific number of dates for the year and they’re already running low on the number even though we’re only in August due to booking him on so many house shows. He could have dropped the title in the ring and taken time off, but to kick the angle off and build something for his return, they decided to do it this way and do a world title tournament.

Sooooo….just running out of dates means taking the World Title off someone?

There were a couple of strange Hulk Hogan stories in the last few days. TNA officials were saying Hogan was going to undergo yet another back operation on 8/12, but Hogan also was booked for a radio interview that day. There was a purported Hulk Hogan twitter account opened on 8/10. Hogan, or someone pretending to be Hogan, was tweeting about TNA being great and how much he enjoys working with Dixie Carter. Hogan was on Bubba the Love Sponge’s radio show in the morning and plugged the account. Bubba plugged the account. Eric Bischoff, who Hogan said set up the account, plugged it on his twitter account. Then, a few hours later, Hogan’s account twittered that Hogan and Bischoff had an amicable parting of the ways with TNA after a meeting, and even wrote that people should still support TNA. Minutes later, Bischoff on his twitter posted that the account was fake and the story wasn’t true. He said that wasn’t Hogan’s real twitter account (four hours after plugging that it was) and that Hogan is in the process of setting up an account. On the fake Hogan twitter account, someone who claimed to be a TNA employee said it was a hoax, and was talking about how he was able to fool Bischoff and Bubba and said that it showed that Bischoff had no business running a company. Not sure how they are related. He said that he doesn’t hate Hogan, but hates Bischoff, but Hogan isn’t helping the company and is only taking money away from the company. He noted that a lot of people in the company are now earning less than they did in 2006. The whole thing is quite strange. .

What the fuck happened here Eric?

Bischoff and Jason Hervey are co-producing with Hayma Washington a show called “Lay It Down” a music talk show hosted by Cee-Lo Green for the Ruse Network.

How did this go?

Lance Cade passes away on 8/12. Any memories of Lance?

Wrestling Observer 8/23/10

Cornette responded to Eric Bischoff this past week. Bischoff wrote something about how it takes eight years of television before people are really over to where they draw money and asked his followers who in wrestling draws money. A bunch of people brought up ROH names and Bischoff wrote about how it shows they have no clue what drawing money means and then called ROH a “backyard vanity project for marks.” Well, Bischoff was right about nobody in ROH drawing money, but Cornette, rightly as well, brought up the funny nature of that comment given that TNA has lost tens of millions more than ROH.

Cornette vs. Bischoff...the podcast to end all podcasts.

In a follow-up to the Twitter scandal: On the twitter story, Hulk Hogan was on Bubba the Love Sponge’s show on 8/12, right before his latest back operation. The day before, hours before the fake story about his leaving TNA broke on his twitter account, he was on the show saying he had a new twitter account. Bubba said that Eric Bischoff set it up for him. Hogan the next day said he didn’t have a twitter account, will have one soon, and that Bubba will be getting it up for him. Bischoff said that Bubba’s IT department was supposed to set up Hogan’s twitter account and a new web site, and when Bubba posted the link to the account, he presumed it was real, which is why he posted the link to the twitter on his own account. He blamed Bubba for posting the link without verifying it with him.

Jesus Christ Eric.

Bischoff said in a Slam Wrestling interview that both he and Hogan have two-year contracts with TNA. Everyone else seems to think they signed a one-year deal with a second year option.

What was your contract status at this point Eric?

Because of the tournament, which was an idea done at the last minute, all the Bound for Glory booking changed. The long angle where Kurt was to go from No. 10 to No. 1, beating everyone and lead to a title match (and probably title win at Bound for Glory) was scrapped to do the tournament.

The tournament, as noted, was the result of them running out of dates on Rob Van Dam (he doesn’t have many dates left for 2010 so even when he comes back after two months off, he won’t be used quite as regularly as before). Van Dam’s contract called for him to earn more money per match if they go over his limit, and with costs having to be cut back due to the money losses, they instead shot an angle to send him home for a few months. Sting and Kevin Nash have been booked sparingly of late for similar reasons of wanting to keep down costs. They are coming close to running out on Ric Flair dates as well. The impression I’ve got is that since he’s in the top angle right now, they will probably pay his price for going over on dates.

Who realized that they were running out of dates on RVD? Was the budget tightening at this point? How tough was it to have this go against long term booking like the Angle story?

The company did a huge night of television on 8/12, with basically doing their PPV show scheduled. They also debuted Reaction. Reaction is like a post-show wrap-up, with interviews. While the angle at the end of the show with the big brawl would have been more effective if they hadn’t just done it a few weeks earlier, and if people didn’t see it as a copy of WWE’s big summer angle, it still was important to do because they had to “establish” the new show. In TV, the rule is when you are debuting something you make it as strong as possible. So they did both the Fortune beatdown and begin hyping Fortune vs. EV 2.0, plus the “horror” of the RVD angle and played it up as real as possible.

Were you impressed by the debut of Reaction and how close was it to your original idea?

There is a lot of divisiveness in the locker room right now between the guys who have been there for years and those who are new to the company. The big exception seems to be Ric Flair who was described as teflon in that everyone on both sides gets along with him. Hogan is not disliked, but the feeling is they brought him in and he did nothing for business, and isn’t that dedicated to the company, having it noted he could go and do on-sale advances and people will show up for his autograph and buy tickets to events. I haven’t heard people disliking Jeff Hardy, or for that matter, even after his comments, it’s not like people dislike Rob Van Dam. But it’s been noted that Hardy and Van Dam carry an attitude like “they are bigger than the place.”

Did you ever get the feeling that those guys thought they were bigger than TNA?

Van Dam, who as mentioned is someone that was and still is generally liked, got a lot of detractors when he wrote, “I’d imagine a lot of the old TNA guys are feeling like they’re taking a back seat. The thing is..you can’t argue with numbers. Last week TNA broke new all-time records for ratings! TNA needed a change. The 6-sided ring and the great technical wrestlers–that nobody knew–wasn’t working. TNA brought in two rock stars, and look at the company now! Dixie often points out how hiring Jeff Hardy and RVD started a whole new era, why do some of the wrestlers not see it? Too young, too green, too selfish to have the correct perspective. Whereas some of the TNA `stars’ are lucky to get recognized walking around the studios, Jeff and myself live like actual celebrities, signing autographs and taking pictures EVERYWHERE we go. Without experiencing this, it’s probably hard to imagine. In fact, very few wrestlers stick out in people’s minds the way that Jeff and I do. WE love our fans and we love their love. TNA is blowing up. Good things will come our way and I see it all happening now. This is a very exciting time. More people watching TNA means more people exposed to the other wrestlers on the card too...as long as they’re good enough to hang around with the rising standards.”

How did you feel about Rob’s comments being public regarding this and how much do you think it was unfair to paint the guys who were in Impact before this or do you think it was a fair criticism?

The Dudleys contract expires at this point. Were they easy to deal with?

Homicide is released due to budget concerns according to Meltzer & the Observer. What were your thoughts on Homicide?

Tomko & Rosie Lottalove were also released. Why did Tomko just never get going in TNA?

The follow-up to the ending angle of Abyss brutalizing RVD and putting him on the shelf starts with Bischoff in the ring and I quote, “He first off apologized to Dixie Carter for what Fortune did and vowed that there would be consequences, but then didn’t even hint at what they would be. He said RVD was hurt far worse than expected, being held together by stitches, staples and pins, and needed 117 stitches. He also had punctured organs and head trauma. He said that if he can come back they would welcome him back. He then said the show must go on and announced with RVD out indefinitely there would be a tournament to determine the new champion.”

Jesus christ I’m shocked he’s out indefinitely with those type of injuries! Who wrote this shit?

Hogan was outside the building talking to someone on the cell phone and he talked about RVD’s injuries and said it was like if Obama was shot. He said he didn’t sign up for this and he was ready to quit the promotion.

Uhhh...good luck following along for this next promo…

Sting & Kevin Nash came to the ring for a promo. It was mostly Nash saying how much he respected Sting. Then Nash started talking about how people think he’s a cancer and he’s only out for the money, but the reason he’s there is because he still loves the business. He said that they want him to step aside and let the young talent get over, but he said they would have to take his spot. That stuff in the body of a wrestling show where everyone talks about their push and basically makes it like a promoter decides everything is groan-inducing. Plus, it buries the new guys because it tells you they are being handed a spotlight in front of guys who were bigger stars. The idea should be the older talent should put the younger talent over, but not be the cool guys who are being screwed by management simply for being old. Nash said he was going to tell everyone what really goes on backstage and then Jarrett came out. Jarrett said they were just bitter because the spotlight wasn’t on them anymore. Jarrett talked about being the founder of the company and that Hogan and Bischoff had done so much for the company. He grabbed a chair and said he was going to the ring, when Hogan’s music played and he went to the ring with him. Hogan told Sting to get rid of the bat and fight like a man, so Sting threw the bat out of the ring on the ramp. Then the lights went out. Then they came on. The crowd live didn’t react because they could see that Hogan and Jarrett both just laid on the ground as there was enough light with the flashes it was visible. Fortune also attacked Sting and Nash and left everyone laying. Everyone was left with the idea that Sting & Nash & Hogan & Jarrett would form a new Superpowers team to feud with Fortune, but in fact, that’s not happening. The plan is still that it comes out that Hogan & Jarrett have been swerving the fans all year, that Sting was the only one who saw through it and because they realized he knew, they made him a heel, and now Nash has it figured out as well. I guess they’re hoping that since Hogan & Bischoff as heels worked in 1997 that’ll turn the company around. 

There’s so much going on on TV. Did it ever feel like overkill?

Luna Vachon passes away on 8/27. What are your memories of her?

It’s reported in the Observer that Sandman missed a TV taping and was done. Do you think the ECW guys had one opportunity and if they fucked it up that was it for them?

Eric Bischoff’s new thing, at least for last week, was the announcers swearing on Reaction. I understand the mentality in a sense. The idea is that you wouldn’t swear on television if things were normal and that it would shock you into thinking this wasn’t typical wrestling. I could even see doing that for like one huge angle each year. But that huge angle was the one a few weeks ago, and doing it now came across like someone told the announcers to go out and swear. They basically said shit and you’d get a bleep. After eight years of Mike Tenay as an announcer and all the years of Taz as an announcer never swearing, to then have them bleep one word after another in two minutes came off forced and fake, and I think the idea was to project exactly the opposite.

Why was this important?

Wrestling Observer 9/8/10

Notes from Impact on 8/26. The show opened with Dixie Carter, complete with her own video and entrance music, coming out. She called out Flair. Flair came out and told her she was drop dead gorgeous. Carter gave a speech about how she was so excited bringing Flair to TNA to be a locker room leader and ended up disgusting, cowardly and pathetic. Carter suspended Flair for 90 days because of all the attacks. Flair told her they should go to a hotel room and take care of business there and not in front of the people. Then, as Flair was getting mad about being suspended, Serge Salinas hit the ring. Nobody in the crowd knew what was going on, although they immediately on television brought up it was Dixie’s husband. Fortune tackled him before he could get to Flair, and then Robert Roode put the boots to him. This is where it got stupid. Okay, I can understand the idea that Flair is hitting on his wife, and then acting like he’s going to do something, so the husband hits the ring. But it should have been played up like it wasn’t a typical wrestling angle. The heels holding him down was okay, but Roode putting the boots to him ruined it. Why do it? Is Serge going to wrestle Flair and the winner gets Dixie? I mean, Flair has carried people in his day, but nobody wants to see that. Do it to project realism, sure, I get it. But if that’s the case, how is Roode not immediately suspended or fired, even if Hogan comes out and reverses it later. I mean, it’s Dixie’s husband that some wrestler is stomping on. And if you don’t want to do that, you can at least make a point of saying that Serge was at fault because he crossed the line by entering the ring. Instead, like usual TNA, it happened and was ignored the rest of the show. Flair took off his belt and was about to start whipping Serge when Hogan’s music started playing. Flair then stopped in his tracks, even though it took Hogan a while to get to the ring. He came out with Anderson, Angle, Hardy and Pope. They had a face-off and Hogan announced he was reinstating Flair. Normally I’d say that makes no sense. Hogan explained that he’s got 50% power in TNA and Carter has 50% power, so he was overruling her. Don’t ask. The point of all this is this will all come out as part of the master plan when Hogan turns heel and tries to steal the company from Carter, which is also why they are pushing Carter so hard as the owner right now. I think it’s the idea that since they’re building to Carter vs. Hogan, that no way will they drop using Hogan.

Whoa. So much there. Was the plan to get to Carter vs. Hogan?

Nash pinned Jarrett in 5:03. The match wasn’t any good, but you can’t expect much from Nash. But the problem was, the crowd was totally dead. They do week after week of these “shoot promos” on each other and then when they are in the ring, nobody wanted to see it. That either tells you how effective the angles were, or how bad the match was, and really, it was both. Nash exposed the metal by ripping off a turnbuckle pad. Nash used a choke slam but there was a ref bump. Jarrett sent Nash into the steel, then used the stroke, but Sting ran in wearing NWO Wolfpac paint (pointed out by the announcers) and used a bat shot to the gut to allow Nash to win. Sting continued to choke Jarrett with the bat. Bischoff came out and started insulting Sting, saying that it shows how far Sting has fallen to using the bat. Sting was screaming for Hogan to come out. Bischoff acted like Hogan was busy. But then Hogan came from the other direction and used a chair to Sting’s back. It was all in slow motion.

This match should mean something shouldn’t it? But it’s hardly a good memory.

The Machine Guns beat Generation Me in 5:59. This was move after move with everything timed perfectly. They crammed way too much in there, but the crowd was going crazy for the match. Jeremy did an assisted to the top Asai moonsault on both Gunns, which was the move that really got the crowd going. Generation Me did simultaneous moonsaults and later More Bang for Your Buck. Jeremy went for a 450, but Sabin got the knees up. Sabin held Jeremy in that position as Max went for a moonsault follow-up onto Jeremy. Shelley used a double foot stomp on Jeremy’s back. Sabin pinned Jeremy after the combination neckbreaker and crossbody off the top, which the Guns are calling Skull and Crossbones. Fans gave all four a big ovation as they all shook hands after the match.

Early Young Bucks. Were you impressed with them in the beginning of their TNA run?

Jeff Jarrett, 43, and Karen Smedley Angle, 37, were married on 8/21 at a small ceremony that few people even knew about. The only reason people in TNA even found out was because Karen, more than a week later, posted photos from the wedding. The two have been living together and raising their combined five children (three from Jeff’s first marriage to the late Jill Jarrett; two from Karen’s marriage to Kurt Angle).

What a weird and odd situation. When did you hear about this or find out about this?

Abyss keeps cutting promos about “they” and 10-10-10. Did that payoff ever change?

Here we are finally at the pay-per-view

TNA NO SURRENDER PPV POLL RESULTS

• Thumbs up 51 (67.1%)
• Thumbs down 6 (07.9%)
• In the middle 19 (25.0%)

BEST MATCH POLL

Kurt Angle vs. Jeff Hardy 61

WORST MATCH POLL

Velvet Sky vs. Madison Rayne 46

TNA prepared for its biggest show of the year, Bound for Glory, billed as being on a day that only comes once a century, 10/10/10, with its last PPV to determine the finalists in its title tournament.

1. Chris Sabin & Alex Shelley retained the TNA tag titles beating Jeremy & Max Buck in 12:50. Good way to start the show. A lot of unique spots, ending with the skull & bones (Sabin with a neckbreaker while Shelley comes off the top with a crossbody in a double-team move) on Jeremy for the pin. After the match, Generation Me jumped the Guns, with them doing a double-team DDT on the apron on Shelley. The crowd, which did not boo Generation Me during the match, immediately picked up on it as a heel turn, while Jeremy laughed at them when it was over. Tenay & Taz tried to push Generation Me as spoiled kids who have a sense of entitlement. They also sold the idea Shelley had a neck injury. ***.

This was originally scheduled to be Desmond Wolfe & Magnus here but Wolfe was taken off once his Hepatitis diagnosis was known. Heel Young Bucks are a sight now considering what they are.

2. Douglas Williams pinned Sabu in 11:13 to retain the X title. Sabu went for a springboard dive, but lost his balance on the top rope and fell into the ring. Sabu then just dove over the top after putting Williams on the table. Williams moved and Sabu went through the table. Williams grabbed the chair, but Hebner stopped him and turned his back to throw the chair out of the ring. Williams then grabbed the X title belt, nailed Sabu, and got the pin. **1/4.

Any issues with Sabu doing business here? Do you think matches like this didn’t help Williams?

3. Velvet Sky pinned Madison Rayne with a DDT in 4:42. Some comedy from the announcers here. Taz said that the Beautiful People (Sky & Angelina Love) ring entrance was the best ring entrance in pro wrestling history, except for that of Lou Thesz. Tenay noted Thesz just came out in black trunks and a towel, and Taz talked about after the BP entrance, you might need a towel. Sky used a facebuster and went for the pin, but Tara pulled her out of the ring. Tara went for a helmet shot but Love kicked her in the head. Sky got the pin with a DDT. Really sloppy and even though this angle was pushed on TV, nobody cared. DUD.

What was it about this that caused no one to care? 

4. Abyss pinned Rhino in 12:39 of a falls count anywhere match. Rhino went to do a dive over the top. Abyss was out of position and didn’t catch him. Rhino landed on Abyss’ back, knocking him down again. Abyss went to grab Janice. Before he could use the nail board, Rhino gored him again, but Abyss kicked out. Abyss hit the black hole slam but Rhino kicked out. Rhino went for another gore, but Abyss moved, and Rhino crashed into the barricade in the corner. Abyss then got the pin with a black hole slam. Match didn’t have that much heat. But it was at least not relying on the broken glass and thumb tacks, and because of the Angle match, they couldn’t bleed. **.

Did Abyss have similar matches over and over again around this time or was it just me?

5. Jeff Jarrett & Samoa Joe beat Kevin Nash & Sting in 6:11. They kept it short which was smart. Sting & Nash did about as well as they could given Sting has a bad shoulder and can’t do much, and Nash has the bad knees and can’t do much. Joe hit a tope on Nash. In the ring, Jarrett snuck Sting’s bat into the ring. Sting went for the Stinger splash but Jarrett hit him with the bat, and then used a second bat shot. Joe didn’t see this, and grabbed the choke on Sting while Jarrett stopped Nash from saving. The announcers and Jarrett’s body language sold it like it was a heel turn, even though it would be considered retribution in the sense Sting had used the bat on Jarrett umpteen times in the buildup to this. But Jarrett acted like he was hiding something. Better match than expected. **.

Any issues between Nash & Joe about working here with their past problems? Do you think it was a lift for Joe to be in the ring with these 3?

6. A.J. Styles beat Tommy Dreamer in an I Quit match in 16:30. Politically, Dreamer had to lose this match. There is so much negativity on Dixie Carter bringing in EV 2 among a lot of the wrestlers from the bottom to the top. The feeling is maybe the PPV did good business but the act was done at that point. Styles came back, got the fork, and graphically stuck the fork in Dreamer’s eye and Dreamer said “I Quit.” With Dreamer’s entire gimmick behind about not quitting, you really had to do something really serious to make him quit. The idea was taken from the Magnum T.A. vs. Tully Blanchard I Quit match from the 1985 Starrcade (although that finish, from Dusty Rhodes, was actually taken from a mid-70s Rhodes vs. Terry Funk finish in Florida). Dreamer more than held up his end of the match here. ***½.

Showing a more aggressive AJ Styles is never a bad thing and Dreamer kept his part of the bargain as well.

7. Kurt Angle no contest Jeff Hardy in 30:00 in a semifinal in the TNA title tournament. They introduced Dixie Carter at ringside, which played into the finish. Angle used a sick power bomb early. Hardy wrestled like he was in space in spots early on, but by the end he had returned to Planet Earth. Hardy did a twist of fate on the floor. He then came off the top rope to the floor with a swanton. Keep in mind Angle was so badly hurt he couldn’t wrestle the night before. Then he agrees to take this move, and winds up with a dislocated rib. He works the last 17 minutes with the dislocated rib. The rest of the 20:00 was built around Angle grabbing the ankle lock. They were pushing that Hardy wouldn’t quit because he was going to win the title for his friend RVD. In Russo booking, that means the two are about to feud. Angle grapevined the leg. Hardy was in the move for a totally ridiculous length of time before the bell rang out of nowhere and it was ruled a draw. Bischoff came out and talked with Carter and ordered five more minutes. Angle stomped on the ankle and kept working on it. Hardy got brief offense, went to the top, and Angle gave him an Olympic slam off the top for a near fall. Hardy backdropped Angle over the top rope and they teased Angle losing via count out but he just got in. Angle used an O’Connor role for a near fall and went for another pin when the 5:00 expired. Bischoff then ordered another 5:00 put on the clock. Angle went for a tackle, missed and flew into the post shoulder first. Hardy rammed Angle into the ring steps twice and Angle juiced. Hardy had him in a long Boston crab, kind of trying to reprise the Bret Hart vs. Austin WM 13 spot, except a Boston crab instead of a sharpshooter. Angle sold like he was going to pass out and his arm dropped, but he held it up just as it appeared the ref was going to stop it. Then, in a moment, he reversed out of the Boston crab and got the ankle lock with 40 seconds left. He held it for the rest of the time, with Hardy again not tapping and the time expiring. At that point, Bischoff said they needed to look at the cut. The blood was wiped off. Angle looked fine with a tiny cut. Then, they claimed he was too badly cut to continue. So why did they wipe all the blood off to ruin the finish? And then, it was announced as a no contest because Angle couldn’t continue. With better booking, this would be a match of the year candidate. ****1/4.

What a long match with no ending. Did you feel like you were booked into a corner and didn’t want to beat either guy and this was the only way out?

8. Mr. Anderson pinned Pope D’Angelo Dinero in 17:03 to win the other semifinal. The crowd was spent after the last 20 minutes of the prior match. There was nothing these two probably could have done. Pope went for his double knees to the back finisher but Anderson moved. Anderson went for a mic check, but Pope didn’t take the bump right or Anderson didn’t do the move right. It just looked awkward as opposed to slick and dynamic, but they still used it for the finish. *3/4.

Do you think these two failed to live up to the height of a main event spot and was there regret after putting this on last instead of the draw even though you wanted to send the crowd home happy?