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The Vampire Diaries 4x8 “We’ll Always Have Bourbon Street” FULL REACTION (Patreon)

Published:
2020-11-04 08:17:33
Edited:
2020-11-05 15:12:11
Imported:
2021-07

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Didi

If Damon was in denial about sire bond, you are clearly in denial about Elena's feelings. Because they have said it like 100 times in the episode how sire bond doesn't affect your feelings, only actions.

Didi

And how can someone steal a girlfriend? Elena did fall in love with Damon, but he didn't steal her. He didn't ask her to date him, or to dump Stefan or to sleep with him. These choices Elena did by herself. Damon was only influencing her blood diet and some minor details like picking a dress for April. And Stefan and Damon are almost the same person at this point, Stefan was and still can be a ripper, and can literally murder all people in the entire village, doing things far worse than Damon, almost driving off Elena from the bridge, killing Andy and forcing Jeremy to kill vampires without Elena's concent but somehow Damon is still the worst person the show. And everyone is still talking about his actions back in the first seasons, when he is even no longer a person he was in the 1 and 2 seasons, but everyone just forgets about Stefan actions like he is some sort of saint. I love both brothers, but I am not blind about their bad and good actions. I know this was said many times, but it is a supernatural show. Of course, in real life this stuff woudn't work. But it's a tv show, and every supernatural tv show is not real life. If things like that didn't happen there would be no show...and even before they knew Elena is sired, you and everyone else kept telling her about how she is not supposed to be with Damon bc this and that, but in the first seasons when Elena was human the whole point with Elena was making choices for herself even if it seems wrong, and you were hating Damon for the fact that he didn't want Elena to sacrafice herself. But now when it comes to her and Damon (before this whole sire bond thing) everyone suddenly forgot about making choices for themselves and telling Elena to not be with Damon when he choose him. It's honestly hilarious to me how Damon is still a villan when he is not even an anti-hero anymore. And I can't understand why Elena can't be close with Damon, considering they were stuck with each other the whole summer and a few months of school, when Stefan was with Klaus, and Damon was the support and the help for Elena that whole time (and we didnt see what happend during summer). And it's perfectly clear that Stefan and Elena are not the same couple as they were before this whole ripper thing because many things happend in between and they couldn't be in the same relationship as they were anymore, even Stefan told her that back in season 3. And Elena can't hate Damon, because he never judges her for anything, (I mean he doesn't get to judge, he is not perfect or good himself), but that's the problem with everyone else, Elena can't be happy with Stefan because it feels like she has to be perfect or she has to change for him - its a result of everyone pushing her into his arms and judging her. (Oh, and Stefan doesn't have a right to judge, he does not).

suveemi

Can't wait to watch it but first I have to endure my online lecture from university ..

Libby

I guess I am confused as to why Stefan wants Damon to basically compel Elena to go away... how is that HER choice? I mean yes she needs to not be sire bonded to Damon but commanding her to do something different is still not HER choice.

sara

You have to remember when Damon told Charlotte to count every brick and left he has already killed the 12 people so he thought the sire bond was gone so he didn’t expect her to literally do as he said. Stefan wasn’t really a soldier he mentioned that his job was to drive the ambulance. I think what Elena meant when she was talking about Bonnie’s magic is that she at least did something because supposedly she lost her powers after what happened when she didn’t listen to her grandma so Shane really does what he’s doing. Just like they said Elena’s feelings about Damon are real but still the sire bond has to be broken so Elena can have her free will and Damon can finally be assured that she really does love him. I don’t really like Caroline’s line “he took advantage of you” because she just assumed that Damon knew about the sire bond and made Elena sleep with him which never happened. I know what she’s been though and I know she’ll always assume the worst about Damon but I just don’t like her being all judgmental when she’s not perfect either. I think the werewolfs do have some kind of loyalty to Tyler since he’s the alpha so that’s why it didn’t feel right for them to attack him idk. Again, Damon wanted to die when he woke up in transition but after Stefan forced him to turn he learned that Katherine was alive so that’s why he didn’t kill himself and that why he waited 150 years for her. And yes I do agree that since Stefan apologized and since he’s basically cursed for life he kinda paid for what he did so it’s over. You’re right btw about Damon and Stefan ending things on a good note in 1942 but it’s like 60 years between 1942 and 2009 and a lot of things can happen.

sara
>>47091446

I guess you’re right but that’s what the witch said but then again the witch didn’t know what kind of relationship they have.

Libby

Oh and yes other stuff happens between the brothers prior to season 1. They'll show you eventually. I also disagree that Damon has NEVER been balanced or restrained. From 1864 to 1912 he didn't just kill people or enjoy being a vampire until he met Sage. He was actually horrified that Stefan did stuff like that originally. I agree about the stuff with Charlotte but it wasn't that overt with Elena. Furthermore Charlotte obviously and admittedly was in love with him whereas Elena had just told Damon that she loved Stefan and wanted to be with Stefan. Damon didn't think Elena had the proper feelings for him to even create a sire bond. I know everyone just wants to say Damon knew or should have known but I think Elena being with Stefan is a pretty damn good reason to not think of a sire bond. Other than not being able to drink from a blood bag (which I thought was ridiculous that like Stefan and Bonnie and Damon, hell all of them... didn't try to figure out more) the rest of the stuff she did had other easily explainable reasons. Connor attacked Elena's brother and tried to kill her so she had plenty of reason to kill him. There would be no reason for Damon to think she only did it because he said so. She was starving when she drank from Damon so again he isn't thinking she is doing this cause she's sired to me. The rest was like about the color of a dress which is nothing. Like I said though, she told him she wanted to be with Stefan and was WITH Stefan. Okay I'm done, bring on the comments about how my completely logical thought process is delusional and how I am a rape apologist and all the other personal attacks and dumb shit that goes on in this comment section when anyone expresses a well thought out perspective not based on their hate of a character.

Laurel

Welcome to one of the show's biggest retcons and one of my least favorite lines! One season ago they showed that after Tyler was turned he was 110% Team Klaus, completely grateful to him, happy to do whatever Klaus wanted, talking about how the sire bond isn't compulsion but faith that every command is the right one, perfectly content being under Klaus's control because he didn't have to turn anymore. He would have torn out his own heart if Klaus asked, yet how demented that was never occurred to him. One season ago, Tyler didn't have a single ounce of negative feeling towards Klaus until he was forced to bite Caroline. Yet now that Elena's sired to Damon and the show has to make it sound not rapey, Tyler and everyone else develops a case of amnesia and acts as though he really was against Klaus the whole time. 🙄 Also the implication that a vampire sire bond is more romantic or acceptable because the sired vampire had feelings beforehand is really, really gross. Yes, Elena had feelings for Damon, but she also had free will! It doesn't matter how extensive your feelings are, if you are doing things under coercion, then there's nothing romantic about it. It's compulsion, just under a different name. Like Alaric said, it's creepy cult logic. Regarding the submission scene, I agree that Tyler's speech should have been worded differently. Or at least they shouldn't have had him doing it while his hand was inside her chest 😄 But the hybrids did *choose* Tyler as their leader, they weren't under any obligation or supernatural sway to do so. As Hayley said earlier in the episode, Kim was challenging him for dominance as the head of the pack because she didn't like how he was doing things, so he reasserted himself and she backed down. It's conceptually no different from IRL animal social hierarchies.

sara
>>47092009

I agree that Damon didn’t have enough evidences to even consider that Elena is sired and I also hate it when people hate Damon just because he was introduced as “the villain” and love Stefan just because he was introduced as “the hero” and now they can’t see them as anything else.

Heather Hollenbeck

It really annoys me when people get angry at Caroline for not liking Damon being with Elena. Elena is being taken advantage of by the sire-bond, whether either of them knew it at first or not, and considering Damon also took advantage of Caroline in season 1, her anger makes complete sense. (Also, don't get me started on the writers wanting us to forget what Damon did to her when she was human. Elena is literally dating Caroline's abuser - bad best friend move.)

heather

i hate the sirebond storyline. season 4 is just poorly written lmao. cant wait for next ep tho, one of my favs!

Doris

The writers really messed up with the sire bond situation. They shouldn't have made it where it is supposedly SO RARE and yet Damon sired two in his lifetime which really isn't that long compared to other vampires in the show. I also think the comparison between the hybrid sire bond and the vampire sire bond was done poorly. If you think about how Damon is and what he said about Charlotte when he told the story, "She was crazy about me." I think he just thought she was whipped and never even considered it a sire bond since it was again, supposed to be so rare. It's interesting though. It was fun watching everyone FREAK OUT about the sire bond when this was live each week.

Lulu

Damn, what a great episode! Yes, Damon was either in denial and blinded by love, or it simply didn’t cross his mind. But either way, now he knows that Elena is sired to him. And so does she! I agree that Caroline was right to tell her; she deserved to know. I also really enjoyed the flashbacks. As for what u said about how it didn’t seem to connect with the first season, keep in mind that in the beginning of that season, he was using his hatred for his brother as a guise so that Stefan wouldn’t know his true plans: bringing back Katherine. I also think that even tho Damon resented his brother for forcing him to feed, resentment ebbs and flows and it’s not always ever-present. I’m sure there are always moments where he breaks down and lets his brother in every now and then, and I think this was one of those moments. As for the nature of the sire bond, maybe u knew that she had feelings for him, but a lot of viewers at the time were heavily confused and thought the sire bond was a way of saying that Elena DIDN’T actually care for him, so this cleared it up. Idk who told you that Damon is the best fighter? But I don’t really agree with that tbh LOL. Both brothers are fairly good fighters, but they obviously had diff paths. I LOVE Tyler’s whole arc in this episode. That part where he proves himself as the alpha was really cool. I also love the girl’s night bc it’s fun to see them just hang out for once! Can I just defend Bonnie for a second, bc I think she’s still learning about her newfound magic and doesn’t know how to use it to the same extent as she used to, hence why she didn’t do her old tricks (making them collapse, etc.). Also, I really like that Bonnie stays out of it. It shows that she’s always been the stable “mom friend” between the 3, and she loves them both too much to get in the middle of it. Also, Elena was truly making it hard for Damon literally STOP TALKING and let him do this!!! Lol. But I get it, she doesn’t want to leave him. Anyways, awesome reaction! Until next time.

4Tom4lepus4
>>47101777

Yeah I was about to defend Bonnie too, the whole point of her storyline this season so far is that she *doesn't* have her powers like she used to, she literally couldn't do much. The whole sire bond thing was such a bad writing choice clearly designed to just cause drama. Urgh, I hate it, it's gross, hated it already with the hybrids and even more so now.

Mandzipop

I'm not going to discuss the Delena situation or the sirebond. I've frankly had enough of being bashed and bullied in this comments section, I will not be reduced to tears again for my opinion. So from now on, I will keep it to myself. Stefan was an ambulance driver and a vampire. I'm not saying a vampire can't suffer from PTSD after turning due to events experienced as a vampire, but Stefan was accustomed to death at that point. Damon was a soldier as a human and wasn't used to death. I also doubt Stefan's life was in the same amount of danger as Damon's during their respective war times. The only reason Damon is a better fighter than Stefan is because of their diet. But I think there is a huge difference between being an ambulance driver and fighting during the civil war. The older wars were much more personal as they had to look the person in the eye as they killed them. My great grandfather fought in WW1 and I know how much damage it did to him. Onto other aspects of the episode. The Salvatore brothers looked hot in their uniforms. The Tyler part confused me too. He went a bit too far, but I guess he didn't have much choice. They are wolves and they are pack animals. It would be violent in real life in the wild, so this is the human equivalent. The werewolf pack works exactly as a real wolf pack works in the wild. Do humans have free will? We are governed by politicians and oligarchs who only have their own self-interests at heart. Us plebs just have to do as we are told, nobody is truly free as we all live within certain rules and boundaries. For Bonnie, making lights flicker is better than nothing. However, Nandi explained that Damon killing those 12 people was what powered her mother's magic, aka Expression, which is exactly the type of magic Bonnie is performing. The question needs to be asked is what is currently powering Bonnie's magic? Great reaction. I'm looking forward to watching the next one with you. Take care. Stay safe. Stay healthy. x

Lulu
>>47115142

I just wanna say I'm really sorry that you have gotten such malicious comments. I think people need to remember that this is only a show, and that everyone is allowed to voice their opinion. Our perspectives are subjective and there is no reason to get personal. I understand if u are hesitant now but pls continue to share your thoughts! It's so interesting to see everyone's points of view.

suveemi
>>47101278

Well but maybe it is only rare because not many vamps fall in love with a human and than turn the human :) Who knows if Damon was sired to Katherine (he was quite obsessive about her) or Lexis Boyfriend we know that she turned him out of love and like Mandzipop pointed out in an other comment section maybe Finn and Sage ? Thats about it couple wise we know of :)

suveemi

We dipped a lot into the sire thing so I'm gonna comment on other stuff. Damon was a soldier before he turned and Lexi made Stefan become a soldier whilst beeing a vamp for the reasons they already explained in the episode. And in war he was driving an ambulance I think he said this in that episode. Can you imagine Stefan fighting ? The first injury with blood involved he would be tempted like we saw in the bar. But it was 1942 so there are a lot of years for stuff to be happening .... And with Charlotte I think Damon thought he broke the bond with the spell the witch only told him now that there is no spell. And yeah he knew Charlotte was sired to him and this is his only experice and it was SO different to Elena so I can see him not conecting it eighter because it was so different or because he just didn't want it to be that way ... Oh and the pastor blew up with house with 11 other people in it and had contact the Prof. Creepy before ... Something clicking ?

Anaïs
>>47097910

I hate more the cure storyline, made me feel like they were total idiots playing with fire

Gokul

Damon literally takes advantage of elena becoming a vampire...I don't get why people h ate Caroline for telling the obvious truth

sara
>>47179092

And how did he take advantage of the sire bond exactly? The moment he knew he started searching for a way to break it