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Vlog #71- Losing Friends (Patreon)

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2017-01-23 12:19:51
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2021-05

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Vlog #71- Losing Friends

Uploaded by 2, The Ranting Gryphon on 2017-01-23.

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Bo Törnros (aka Arin Hjorulfr)

Sad you feel this way but this I figure out a long time ago. Hey for 20 years ago I would agree punching nazi was right. Atleast you gain more freinds in here over the last year and we are still here ^_^

Anonymous

As someone from the left side I can only say it is wrong to let political views destroy a friendship. Maybe that is something you can work out over time. It is stupid to lose friends over such an argument. But I also have to say I understand where they are coming from. Some Ideas are dangerous and should not discussed in the public like they are ok, thats what started the worst part of my countrys history in the first place. But I agre with you that no thought or word should be countered with violence, and thats where the left has a big problem. I guess its ok if someone thinks the third reich was a great idea and they should be ok saying that to their friends. But I also think They should never be allowed to tell something like that in the Media to millions of people. That may sound strange, but I guess thats a cultural thing over here. So I hope you stay well over there and maybe you can sort that problem out with your friends, cause that is the worst loss, no mater what the argument was and how heated the discussion has been.

Anonymous

Through out the entire election I have dealt with seeing a handful of people I look up to and who I am friends with post some of the most hateful and horrifying things in the name of love and tolerance. It's quite terrifying, and what's worse is that if they knew my stances on some of the subjects (such as yours here where being for anti-violence means for all people who aren't being violent themselves as a good example) I don't know if we'd still be friends after that conversation. Ultimately I'm open to still being friends with people regardless of their views so long as they respect that mine are different to theirs I can do the same. Seeking solidarity on all subjects is a level of collectivism that terrifies me. Free-speech protects all forms of speech including hateful speech. If you restrict language or thoughts you can never weed out bad ideas or come up with better ones. The only reason I make the latter point is even disagreeing with some points of views presented by the left is seen as being hate-speech. [eternal groaning] Idk, ultimately my stance on the left has been pretty sad and discouraged. As someone who considered myself to be a moderate leftist it's hard to really say anything with how crazy I've seen those who I thought were like minded to me get. (Or should I say how far left a lot of them have fallen?) Keep your beak up mate. You're not alone.

Anonymous

Hey 2 -- Newbie to this patreon thing but I'm a long time fan of your work and your youtube channel. This vlog video honestly surprised me as I feel so similar to how you feel on these topics. I've watched the news and youtube videos put up after the election. I see the same issues you see. I've brought up to my close friends how messed up I feel it is-- seeing the vandalism done in these communities, the acceptance for physical violence and the discussion on thought crime. It shocks and scares me. I'm so sorry to hear you've lost friends over this. I'm hoping this is just a really stressful time in our country and we as a people can come back together but I don't know. Just wanted to pipe up. Thank you.

Robert Seth

Hello 2. It is scary to think about how the world is right now and even if you only are able to make a dent in help the world get back to a better, it's still worth a try. Sorry for the lose of your long time friends though. it sucks to lose people you thought were understand and open minded. Things will get better, it just takes time and a descent amount of effort but it will get better and even thought I'm just a fan, you seem like the type of person that would be awesome to hang out with and call my friend. Keep up the fight 2 and thank you.

Skyfox

Maybe the way to feel is sad over losing the friends you thought they were, but not sad in losing the friends they actually are. It rather shows that their idea of friendship is based largely on total agreement of ideas rather than embracing even the differences. Hopefully those former friends will pull their heads out of their asses and realize that friendship is more important and valuable than hate. If the liberal side is going to advocate violence against people for differing thoughts and opinions then I don't want to associate with them any more than I'd want to associate with the conservative side. Islamic extremists in the middle east behead and set on fire those with different ideas and beliefs from themselves. Ultra-liberals punching and attacking people here in the US for having different ideas and beliefs are following the exact same principles, just to a lesser degree.

Anonymous

It is stuff like this that scares me. It is because of this stuff that even when I do express an opinion it isn't usually a strong one, and I almost never defend it or argue. to me it isn't worth losing the few people I am close to.

Anonymous

Sorry to hear about this, hombre. Times like this I remember just why I avoid social media in general - no one really wants to be social, just an echo chamber. Took a look at your twitter and it seems the way the conversation was SUPPOSED to go was "Hey, look at this guy voicing a stupid opinion I don't agree with getting punched!" "Lawl, you're right, so hilarious! Serves him right for not being progressive enough. I laugh at his pain!" (Cue sheep applause) Apparently you threw a monkey wrench into that school of thought, and they took exception, probably due to having no better defense for their reprehensible behavior besides "He's a nazi". Extra ironic because if those people really thought about it, all punching the guy for talking did is make him a martyr figure for other white supremists. Self-fulfilling prophecy, much? Not that my ass bleeds in the slightest for the guy - he talked a lot of shit, and did, indeed, 'git hit' - my objection to it is more a principled one. Just because every nazi PROBABLY deserves to be punched doesn't mean we -should-, because thought like that was exactly what the left were condemning when George Bush claimed that there not being WMDs was irrelevant, because "He was bad and I know he was bad because of the things he says." Meanwhile, 14 years later, "You're a nazi-sympathizer because you don't advocate violence against this guy. Doesn't MATTER if he hurt anybody, you can tell he's bad from what he says". “He who fights monsters..." indeed. At any rate, I know it's been said, but you've got some pals here, for what it's worth. Stay frosty, dude. Looking forward to talking to you soon!

Anonymous

For what little it is worth in compareson to the loss of years loung friends, you still have me sir. You still have your fans and the ones who truly care.

RantingGryphon
>>3713933

Thank you for sticking by me. I know we may have disagreements sometimes, but I trust my Patrons here to be able to have civil discussions, unlike most people.

Anonymous

:( I'm sorry things about humanity bites.

Anonymous

People make no sense most of the time I feel. Sometimes when you lose friends over something like this it may not be the worst. Keep truckin' bird. We are all here for you.