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Connor (Cyndr)

man I forgot about this episode. They're so good at these hard decisions on all sides of the dilemma and making it feel so scary and tough to ever make the right choice.

WiseSmellyLegs

Finally! We have reached this episode! Before I dive into the whole question I have been waiting to ask/mention, I will mention an interesting thing I have realized while rewatching this… If you think about it, ARMIN and ERWIN are really similar names to each other. Just one letter is changed and then W is turned upside down, so it becomes M 😅😅 Now the question: Is it good/correct that Armin was saved? I understand that Armin had a dream/goal beyond just going to the basement, but for a long time it was “just a dream” and he didn’t dedicate his whole life for that. I mean, sure… his character has developed and lately he has been able to dedicate everything, literally his own life. But until Eren joined The Survey Corps, it had been “just a child’s dream”… Whereas Erwin has always been like a “real researcher” his whole life… from really early on, when he was a child, he started to search for the truth and he dedicated his whole life for that. So it feels correct to let him find out if he was right. And I get the whole idea of freeing him from this hell, so he can finally rest in peace. But as I said… it is not like his goal/dream is “only the basement”, he had dedicated his whole life for the truth even before knowing there was any basement/any way to find the truth. Once the show ends, we will get answers to everything, so I know my answer, but regardless of that… it is interesting to think about this, because even the characters themselves ask this question later on and there are many moments, where we can ask ourselves: “Would it have been different if Erwin was alive?” So I am not asking for an exact answer to this, I am just raising a question to put it into a mind of anyone who reads this… Also… I am not against Armin being saved! I am just trying to look at it with the pure objective point of view, because obviously as viewers we get attached to Armin, so our point of view may get easily biased. Because the other thing is… I know it was mentioned in the episode by other characters that Armin has helped many times, so technically both decisions are correct (+ we can question whether the Erwin’s “rejection” of the injection was just random or intentional - for me it was “random”, because his brain was already in the delusional phase, so he was simply dreaming the memory he had)… But we have to consider the fact that WE ARE GOING TO A WAR. I mean, it was not explicitly mentioned… but one can figure out that since their (the warriors - Bertholdt, Reiner, Annie + others not named yet) mission failed and they even lost two titans (although Annie is just “kept/hidden” and not dead)… this will obviously have consequences. So if there was more time for Armin to develop even more, sure… that would have been the perfect scenario. But as it is now, we (“we”… I am thinking about it as if I was involved in the story too 😅😅) need someone with the experience of Erwin. And my final thought to this is… well, I double checked and this information is about to be explicitly said within next episode(s), so although we could have already figured out from the Kenny’s story of knowing Uri Reiss and seeing him getting old way sooner than anyone else… I will stop here and I am letting you know the next paragraph focuses on the last thing. Just so I don’t have to remind this whole comment in the next episode… Here it goes: . . Uri Reiss was so old before he died/let himself get eaten to pass down the titan power, because becoming a titan shifter makes your life end in 13 years from the moment you obtain the power. Therefore in the very last year you get super old as if you were about to turn for example 80+, although you are around 30 (for example). Which means… they saved Armin, but at the same time they made sure he will eventually die once he reached the 13 years benchmark… Obviously they did not know this, but as I said, I am not really focusing on the situation they were in, because even if they knew this, they did not have time to think about the whole situation deeply and rationally to even consider the upcoming war, so for them at the moment both decisions were correct. I am just thinking about that from the perspective of: “If you (JaeHyuk PD/anyone else reading this) were able to stop the time and think about it with the facts I have mentioned here, how would you choose?” Basically I am asking for something like an “MBTI-like question” to find out what kind of personality you have. Because same as in MBTI test, it is not about which question is correct and wrong…

myjelly

I was waiting for this moment for so long, it's so bittersweet to see it actually happen. As depressing as it is, for some reason this is my absolute favorite episode and the reason why I will always hold this season so dear to my heart !! Nothing will ever top this for me.

myjelly

Also, the complex, detailed stories, emotions, and thoughts behind each character is truly astounding. Isayama is a genius lmao there's no other way to put it.

myjelly

By the way, the one who saved Hange was Moblit! He was always by Hange's side, supporting her crazy side while also always being there to protect her whether it's from titans or humans. It's genuinely heartbreaking watching him sacrifice himself to protect her one last time.

formoftherapy

I would save Erwin without question. On every level it makes sense. That’s the cold calculated strategic move I would make. When I play video games, Overwatch specifically, I play tank or healer, and I win most my games because I’m very strategic about not who I kill, I tend to go for any opportunity where a kill is guaranteed, but rather very strategic about who I let on my team die. Dying is wildly inevitable in a team based shooter game and I’m careful about who I shield and who I heal. Even today we won a match because half my team was down, only two healers were up and I was tanking, I had my healers run into the point first, I spent my bubbles protecting them to distract the entire enemy team, let that charge my power, and I waited for my bubbles to come back HOPING they would survive, then I went in and cleaned up the enemy team by myself. My thinking was that I knew in the long run they were too weak to survive on their own as healers, so I could use them to charge my bubbles, as well as distract the enemy team, and let them possibly die, which they did, but I had a better chance of killing everybody else on my own. Which I did. So Erwin. No question.