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Well the review is over and my page is back :)

It's a huge relief, although that whole episode leaves a bad taste in the mouth ..

there are a lot of pictures I had to remove from my gallery, and among them, many that could probably stays, but that I removed regardless - just to be safe - as no pictures in particular were pointed by the T&S and I had to guess them myself. This is NOT a good feeling... I suspect quite a lot of them could have been saved with some small tweaks as well .

And sadly they're not going to come back :/ .. After I was done, the T&S made it clear I can't re-upload any of the content I removed on my gallery and I'm guessing this includes tweaked out versions as well...

Although it was very unclear in the beginning, Patreon's problem with vore is basically the prey getting overpowered against their will in a "sexual" context. ( I put the " " here because what is considered sexual or not by Patreon remains very vague to me. And yet it's important since their board said such a situation in a non-sexual context would be fine. )

Now to be out of line, the scene has to be pretty explicit I think, with the prey clearly showing distress ( looking terrified or shouting "No!" for example ) , and then their effort getting crushed and them getting eaten regardless.

If the prey looks simply shocked as they are eaten it's mostly ok. I also found out from others artists that text is something Patreon looks closely at in those cases. There are plenty of my pictures that could have gotten away with me just removing some text bubbles. I think.

Besides that, the little drawing of Crisis in my front page had to go as well ( no naughty bits showing but still considered nude and visible by the public. Ok fair enough for this one.

So yeah... harsh lessons learned here and some things are going to have to change in the future.

There is no way I can put my all eggs in the Patreon basket anymore. Sure after that great purge, my page is fine for now, but what if rules get stricter in the future? or if they stay the same but are interpreted differently? Because in the end that particular TOS line is vague enough that it all comes down to interpretation. Who know what it will be in one-two years from now? I don't know, but I have this nagging suspicion it will get only worse for every adult content artists out there.

Plus the way Patreon can pull the plug at a moment notice, without any prior warnings whatsoever is especially scary : / that's too much power for a company to have over me. I just was too naive to notice it until now I guess.

So yeah , I'm going to seriously look for alternatives or Plan B from now on and do some much-needed thinking on the model I'm using moving forward

In the meantime though I'm happy to have my page back and to share with you what I have been up to ^^ ( the 8 next Elorie pages are almost done as well ! )

Thank you for your kind and overwhelming support through all those tense times guys :)

Comments

Jose

I'm happy you're back!

Minamoto Terumi

I was talking to someone last night about there needing to be a european Patreon equivalent, preferably a french one. Some country where freedom of expression is actually part of its law, and of its culture.

Apocalypto

I would definitely recommend external links to patreon only galleries so you can be safe from the Patreon inquisition.

cousarmy0001

These are definitely part of the law in the US as well, but the restrictions mostly apply to the government. There is a big backlash against Patreon over this purge, and they are losing subscribers like crazy. A number of people are looking at different services, and some are looking to start their own service.

Blue

Well im glad it got resolved but man what a bummer

cousarmy0001

I find it funny that they enacted this right after they took their cut from your patrons at the beginning of the month, and ended it just in time to take their cut next month. I really think you need to abandon Patreon altogether, Karbo, and go somewhere else.

cousarmy0001

No offense to you, but I will probably be dropping my account, like many others have over this purge. I will monitor your Deviantart page in case you decide to make the move.

LunaSchatten

Awwwww... Can't you re-upload the deleted pics on your galleries on other sites? Or you are banned from doing that too?

LunaSchatten

Awwwww... Can't you re-upload the deleted pics on your galleries on other sites? Or you are banned from doing that too?

Ehren

Oh Karbo, I am greatly let down by Patreon, don't get me wrong. But I also feel very let down by YOU now. What is this?: "And sadly they're not going to come back :/". What was that talk about using another gallery? I noticed here: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/posts/21763210">https://www.patreon.com/posts/21763210</a> you removed the outside gallery. I really want to support you... but it's not acceptable for this art not to come back anywhere. I'm sorry, man, I know you've been through a lot, but I feel like you've been sending confusing messages. Please understand I'm not trying to be mean. I'm tired and exasperated, maybe not wording this the best I can. Meh

Alaya

we will support you as always Karbo. there are plenty of webpages where you can post the artwork of yours without any modefication to make it look more "allowed" or something. stay strong and happy new year to

Anonymous

Happy to see you worked it out 😊

Karbo

Um I removed the link as it's not acceptable by Patreon to have external links on their site leading to content in breach of their rules.. Like i said I'm going to explore new ways to go about things. Patreon is not the only solution here.

Homer4hire247

Welcome back! Glad to see your page is back.

JohnboyX

So glad to have you back but it honestly doesn't feel like a great comeback :( . Thank you Patreon-sensei..... Like others pointed isn't there a way to get stuff to your Patron's outside their line of sight ? I feel like and it wouldn't even surprise me that you will loose some support over this (not from my side rest assured ;-) since for me and I also think many others the content you can't do here anymore is indeed the main reason for supporting you with the necessary amount of money :( . It really leaves a very very bad aftertaste in my mouth and I even fear for the Elorie comic, my Subeta suggestion and many many other future pictures that they will not turn out all the great due to annoying adjustments you have to make.........

Homer4hire247

So question, I know that you have to remove a lot of the pics in this gallery and you can't re-upload them even if there "fixed". But is there a plan to make them available somewhere down the line, even if you have like a massive dumb in a .zip file through mega are something like that? Like its a super bummer if there no way to see them again...

Taiki Sensei

Vu que je suis contre le concept même de censure, cette victoire laisse quand-même un arriere-gout de merde bien amer dans la bouche.

Karbo

Ah ça.. c'est pas une victoire du tout : / Après ça Patreon a prouvé qu'ils ne pouvaient clairement plus être une solution à long terme pour moi.

Karbo

Oh yeah you're right it's not a victory at all : / And it's a very bitter pill to swallow. After all this it makes me suddenly realize Patreon can't be my home for the long term. It's only going to be temporary from there. And yes I'm fully aware there is going to be a loss of support, if only because many people are very annoyed at Patreon right now ( and not only because of my case ). But I'm confident eventually I'll find a satisfactory, stable and safe solution for the long run :)

turboman500

Glad you're back brah! It's been awhile. I also find it funny as it was pointed out earlier - that you got banned right after they took their cut (lets not all forget here, that they make money, and have for years off of every artist here), and not right before it's time to make bank, you're back. That said, I have issues with what I'm seeing here in terms of the gallery being gone in places (not with you of course) Guys... Karbo put's a download link to EVERYTHING he does. Always has. My man here has over 750 patrons. You're telling me that between all of us, that we don't have most of it saved? Lets not forget, that most of the older stuff also eventually hits DA - so lets all relax here. As for future stuff... ever heard of a movie trailer... where you know, like half the stuff you see isnt in even in the damn movie? When we get previews they could just be textless, or it could be showing post events etc. hell It could just be a picture of Various chibi characters (probably who ever is prominant in the art) smiling. The image shown doesnt have to be what is downloaded. There are workarounds for the immediate situation. Give the man some time to get it done, and chill. I'm all for making a stand and principle, but i aint dropping Karbo or anyone else's account for the same reason i dont support boycotts. It doesn't hurt Patreon NEARLY as much as it hurts the artists. That's the price of doin' business folks. Enough griping, I'm just Glad to see you back brother. I hope you can find something to work with - and where ever you go, I'll support ya. We just have to change with the times i guess :/

Konton454

I'm glad your back on track for now. The sooner you find an alternative the better. I really don't want anymore of my money going to the assholes that run this site. Soon as there is I'm gonna burn this account and move on. Sorry if I come across as angry. While I am, none of that anger is directed at you. I'm sick of these big tech companies treating their customers like cattle.

Jenny Secret

Welcome back senpai!

Signe (dcvfgb1234)

Yeah it would be nice if they somehow would be made available since I at least didn't get everything saved before this.

Signe (dcvfgb1234)

Really good to see you back up, Karbo, and good that you managed to do it before January so that you won't miss any income! Quite sad to see lots of pictures go, but that's what it is. I hope that they in some way can be made available to us again at some point, since I at least haven't saved them all. And especially the high res versions aren't available elsewhere. Though if you can't make them available elsewhere again then that's how it is. The important thing is that you're back.

Anonymous

Eh ben bonne année quand même, hein! : D Je te suis encore fidèle mais GTFO of Patreon already! Au Japon y'a un truc qui s'appelle Pixiv Fanbox sur lequel je supporte Fuyuno Mikan, as-tu évaluer cette option? Ils ont définitivement pas l'air de limiter le contenu mais y'a peut-être des hoops à passer à travers côté langue et localization. Sinon j'ai froncé des sourcils quand tu as écris "And also I'm NOT going to suddenly start settling on doing super tame / willing stuff just because Patreon doesn't like the rest." parce que moi j'aimerais bien que tu en fasses du willing de temps à autre, lol!

Anonymous

glad to have you back

Hola

Glad you are back! I wonder is there other ways to get your old work back that I forgot to save? I have a gallery of most of your work that I don't share, though it only contains vore pictures.

Freimgul

While you where struggling with Patreon on a personal level, there is a huge controversy going on. I think none of us is safe. In a phone call with a political commentator, Matt Christiansen, Patreon's head of Trust &amp; Safety, Jacquelin Hart, admitted that the way they apply the rules is not applied uniform. There is no real guideline we can all follow, and it will apply the same to all of us. It's subjective, and it's up to the individual's decision who reviews your page. They also care about your past behavior. It was also found out in the Sargon controversy, that if you are a repeat offender, which you will be the next time they notice something they don't like on your page. Or even outside Patreon! You might get instantly banned. Not suspended, but banned. We must find a better alternative. The sooner the better.

Chinnsyn

The man is back! Now all that's left is to walk on eggshells for the nebulous and unhelpful powers that be.

Karbo

woah this is a mess indeed... seriously what the hell..

Karbo

Oh I fully agree with you... I'm keeping a close eye on Sponsorion personally

Devilnaga

Was so happy to see your page come up. I was starting to feel like it was never going to come back. What happened to freedom? It's sad that things are so messed up, nowadays.

Classical Salamander

So glad to see you back online Karbo! &lt;3 Vague TOS are the worst, especially in this day and age of social insanity. I look forward to whatever you do next, and I'll be glad to follow wherever you lead in your quest for reasonable, well-stated TOS and creator-friendly monetization!

Ehren

Can we not turn against each other? Please?

Yuichichibi

Welcome back!!! P.S. Maybe try enty.jp ?

Lightwing

Welcome back!

Anonymous

text bubbles... well, it is must be important and wery helpful for me . Thanks