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Supernatural 4x21 - WATCH ALONG!!! (Patreon)

Published:
2020-03-14 21:32:24
Imported:
2021-04

Content

"WHEN THE LEVEE BREAKS"

REACTION HIGHLIGHTS LINK: https://vimeo.com/397536971/2937adc878

REVIEW Begins At: 43min

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Episode Synopsis:

As Sam detoxes from demon blood, he is confronted with his own inner demons from the past! Meanwhile, Castiel convinces Dean to make an oath to God...

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Links To All Seasons SUPERNATURAL (Reaction Highlights Begin At Season 2)

Files

Sup 4x21 WATCH ALONG When the Levee Breaks

Comments

Reggie B

Wow, what a boring episode, i won’t have a lot to say on this one… heads up, this is all just my personal reading of the show and the characters! 1.) Wanna start off by saying that in the spn fandom circles i run in, theres still arguments about this ep-- who was right, who was wrong, was there anything they should have done differently? Like greg said, its layer upon layer upon layer. Its complicated as hell. 2.) This ep is pretty much the prime example of why i’m a sam girl. Jared’s performance is incredible, the best he’s done so far (and he’s always been good!) From personal experience, i know the shame and self loathing sam feels (thankfully i am in a much better place now,) but the scene where he’s talking to his young self always hits me hard. “We were never gonna get out. We were never gonna get away,” um ouch. 3.) Wanted to contrast what dean said in this ep, “its not what youre doing, its what you are,” with what sam said early in the season, to the rugaru jack, “it doesnt matter what you are. It only matters what you do.” i think sam does worry that he’s a monster, and i think part of all this is maybe him trying to redeem himself? To do good despite himself? Again, thinking back to what sam said back in season 2, “maybe i could be saved.” and wrt greg talking about sam’s shame, totally agree. I see shame as being part of the core of his character. :/ 4.) Bobby: remember, this is about getting sam back, not pushing him away Dean: got it Dean, at the hotel: sup demonfucker, you gonna stop being evil or what? TLDR; i love sam lol. Anyway. Its a crazy time rn, so i hope everyone is staying safe! Treat covid 19 seriously, but also try not to panic, lend a hand to your neighbors, etc. &lt;3

sam

You know what. Now that I think about it is drinking Demon blood the same as drinking water. Like does the demon blood pass threw him or does it get infused within his blood. That being said does the demon blood stay inside him and needs to be recharged like a batter in the plug or does it disappear and needs to be completely replaced. I Literally have no idea.

Reggie B
>>33674621

literally ive thought about that!!! like, if it is in his bloodstream, your blood cells dont last forever. they die and get replaced w new blood cells. also its not "demon blood" technically, its the blood of a person who is possessed by a demon yknow? so if a person is exorcised, does their blood no longer have whatever weird properties sam needs? this is not a science lol

Toasted Toad

Once again, I've watched your comments before watching the reaction! So there is just one thing I want to say before I forget - you guys totally nailed it, and expressed something really well that I've never been exactly to pinpoint about this episode. I too hate the 'dream'/'vision' thing where someone comes along and, in your vision, gives you the right answer to your problems, as though it is truly coming from that other person. Sam is given all sorts of conflicting advice, which is clearly all his own projection and inner turmoil. We are not asked to come away from it thinking that any of it was 'real'. Okay, going to go away and watch now. Will come back and comment if I have anything further to say (which, let's be honest, I probably will!)

sarahzentexas

Haha guys. I, too, am a HUGE fan of AC/DC’s incredible “When The Levee Breaks.” 😂 Y’all are hilarious. Anyway, yeah, this episode. Man. Jared PWNED this one for sure. Bob Singer did a stellar job directing (I now know him as the laziest TV director ever), and the way this was shot was *chef’s kiss* BEAUTIFUL. Hope Anna’s just back in Heaven. GREAT JOB, GUYS!

Eric Horstman

Personally one of my fave episodes. For some reason I always love when the bro’s are on different paths, or conflicting mind sets. Maybe cuz I loathe my brother lol Btw Greg really seems to have Dean on his mind cuz in the review I think he called Sam Dean at least three times. Completely understand. I mean I think of Jenson Ackles at least three times a day. Who needs PornHub lol

Kristin Dorner

Man oh man, this episode makes me SO sad😭 The core of this show is Sam and Dean and the bond they have as brothers. So the scene where Sam is hallucinating Dean saying all of this horrible stuff to him breaks my heart. Especially when you realize it’s what Sam really believes Dean thinks of him (that “You are nothing to me” line, OUCH). Not only that but sprinkling in the bits of Dean upstairs talking about how he would die for his brother and do anything to protect him from himself, INCREDIBLE writing. It makes the end so hard to watch😢 I am SOOOOO excited for next week! One of my personal favorite finales😁

Elle B.

One of my fav episodes. And one of the best fights between Sam and Dean, writing/acting wise. Jared really did knock it out of the park in this one! Also your reaction faces when you realized Cas was letting him out were great. Lol

Toasted Toad

Okay, now I've watched it. Chortled through much of your reaction, guys. Love it when the programme puts you off balance. I think this episode shows something that SPN can do really well - suspense without too much in the way of 'action'. Most of the 'action' involves character evolution, not running around. In fact, we've had two character episodes in a row - last episode Jimmy/Castiel, this one Sam. They ratchet up the intensity instead of the physical danger. People (who don't watch it) make assumptions about what this show is, and don't realise that it has this element to it. I could drivel on about this episode for ages, but you guys already got pretty much all of it in your comments, so I'd just be repeating what you said. The only thing I'd add is the surprise guest appearance of Jensen's single tear again just before the fight at the end! Sam is a bit off his head at the moment and perhaps not truly accountable for his actions, but Dean truly hates fighting his brother - his father's warning coming true is his worst nightmare.  Oh, and John's "kiss" comment 😂😂😂 There is an element of the fandom that is wild about Dean/Cas. Very excited about the finale!

Feather_Noir

Easily one of my favorite episodes of the show. Everything and everyone was firing on all cylinders. The show has done an excellent job showcasing Sam's spiral into addiction so when the levee really does break, every moment is fascinating to watch. To get this out of the way tho...that detox regiment was atrocious. Going cold turkey from a drug that addictive without careful medical assistance is deadly. If this were real life and Sam was hooked on heroin or something, he'd probably be dead. (I mostly blame poor TV tropes about addiction for this rather than the characters.) The central emotional/moral conflict, which has been building all season, is an interesting one. Sam's demon blood addiction is both terrifying and dangerous based solely on his altered and uncharacteristically aggressive behavior. But you guys are right that Sam having the demon blood powers has multiple times come in clutch this season. Sam also has intimated that prior to Dean’s return from hell, Sam's saved possessed people's lives in the heat of a battle instead of being forced to use the Knife when there's no time to set up an exorcism. It’s also been implied a couple times in this show that an exorcism can sometimes be deadly all on its own. Sam’s ability to pull demons is arguably a benefit. On the other hand, we have what the demon blood is doing to Sam. Despite the fact that Castiel was shady as hell this ep, I believe his assurance that Sam drinking enough demon blood to kill Lilith would permanently alter him and puts his soul at risk. However, there's a counterargument to be had that killing Lilith and stopping the apocalypse from destroying the Earth is worth one person's life and soul. Especially if that person is a consenting adult willing to sacrifice themselves and take on that burden/danger. Then again, Ruby is very clearly emotionally manipulating Sam and basically got him hooked. That scene where she says she's sorry everything is strained between the brothers felt manipulative as all get out. Everything she does now is suspect because of how clearly the result is hurting Sam irreparably. The show has made a very good case for both brothers' stance. When I first watched this episode I didn't quite know where I fell on everything. Now, after having some distance and after several rewatches of S4, I would say that Sam drinking the demon blood is ultimately not good, but the way Bobby and especially Dean handled this was almost equally not good. Tricking Sam, isolating him, and then later aggressively trying to kill someone he clearly cares about who is also wrapped up in his addiction...all of that was almost guaranteed to push him back into his addiction. Can’t wait until you guys see the season 4 finale. It’s really a doozy.

Toasted Toad
>>33684161

And what careful medical assistance would you suggest here? While they are definitely drawing parallels between Sam’s addiction and real life drug use, this is not in fact RL. Sam’s problem is supernatural and suggesting Bobby and Dean should try to treat it like RL doctors is kind of missing the point. This is fiction, and Dean’s concern is that Sam could lose his humanity. If you are going to object to things they do that would be dangerous or ill advised in real life, why don’t you start with driving without seatbelts, and the constant drinking and driving. This is fiction. The boys fight monsters. This is very ill advised and dangerous.

Jani Salminen

This is one great episode. I think in the end when Sam was choking Dean was to show Dean that "i could've killed you there if i wanted to, i am stronger than you". The finale is a great one, you're gonna love it.

Reggie B
>>33684161

while i do agree that sams addiction is not like irl addictions, its magical and we dont or cant know all the rules, dean and bobby did the best they could etc... i do wish they left him some food. like, one sandwich in there lol

Feather_Noir
>>33684161

Toasted...I maintain that IN-UNIVERSE tricking and isolating Sam in the vault and later attacking Ruby was guaranteed to push Sam away rather than get through to him. This is all on a show based emotional level, not a RL medical level. I guess you didn't read the part where I literally wrote that I blamed the TV writing tropes that are used for detoxing and not really Dean and Bobbie for the terrible detox regiment itself???

Feather_Noir
>>33684161

Also, frankly since I'm kinda mad about it, what's up with that straw man argument? Wearing seat-belts has never been a central conflict for an episode so I don't comment on that. Sam's detox was literally the central set piece for the majority of this episode. It is totally valid to examine and critique the detox methods both in universe and in the writing room. I understand that you don't agree with me but why pretend like I'm totally out of line for even bringing it up?

Toasted Toad
>>33684161

No, you started by attacking the detox regimen by reference to RL (only then blaming the writers for it), and ended by blaming Bobby and Dean for their failure to cure Sam's addiction. Had Cas not released Sam, we don't know what would have happened. We don't even know what would have happened if Dean had been successful in killing Ruby. Remember what Sam did in front of Dean and Cas - he literally killed a woman, sucking on her blood, in desperation for a fix. Bobby and Dean are simply doing the best they can to help Sam, with no precedent (as Bobby snidely remarks about his lack of a demon detox manual) For me, the most important part of what you said was blaming Dean and Bobby, which I think is unaccountably shifting responsibility. This is not a situation they brought about. It is a series of decisions made by Sam.

Feather_Noir
>>33684161

I will definitely admit I could've included another sentence/paragraph about Sam making terrible life choices to emphasize his responsibility in this tragic outcome. Sure. But your first comment was not about that. It made it seem like the bulk of my commentary was about unreasonably comparing RL detox to fiction even though I very clearly explained that I largely blame general tv tropes for that. Listen..I don't want to get into an argument here so I'm just gonna let it go and move on.

thereelrejects
>>33675437

Oh dang! That's actually really cool to hear! Happy you appreciated it &amp; happy we could help fill in a piece of the puzzle :) Once I hit that thought, I started to wonder if I'd ever seen that approach to this trope anywhere else.. like, it stands to reason I would have, but I can't really bring many to mind at the moment. Like you said - they illustrate his inner turmoil.. and probably make it a good amount worse. 😰

thereelrejects
>>33677794

Hahaha yes! So many classic AC/DC songs! "When the Levee Breaks," "Babba O'Reilly," "Barracuda!" 😝 in seriousness, though, this was definitely an MVP ep. for Jared. PWNED and then some! Sad to hear about Bob Singer's fall from TV grace, although I definitely agree this one was top-notch for him. Bobby's namesake can't be lazy!!! 😫 And likewise, re: Anna... maybe they're giving her the same treatment Castiel got... I shudder to think haha.. glad you enjoyed!!!

thereelrejects
>>33678468

LOL I suppose when you got that strong imagination.. 😜😂 Gregory definitely had a case of the Ackles haha. I started noticing the name switch there, but I think I got distracted by the conversation. Definitely agree, though, that's a really tough emotional road. Sorry to hear you loathe your own, but I'm hoping Sam &amp; Dean can somehow stick it out.. it makes for great drama when they fight, but I just want them to hug it out 😭

thereelrejects
>>33679135

Oh yeah, the Dean hallucination hit especially hard. And was actually kinda scary, too, because of all the apparitions, he's the one who's actually nearby.. the potential for confusion had things gone differently... Everything between Sam &amp; Dean here was pretty rich &amp; heavy, but yeah... "You are nothing to me" hurt pretty bad. I've been so worried for their relationship this season. Seems like there's a lot still to come to grips with. Either way, both excited and nervous as heck to see where all this goes next episode. Only a few days now!!

thereelrejects
>>33682729

I can see why! This has been a pretty harrowing season for the boys, just emotionally, and I've never been more worried for their relationship - ESPECIALLY after the fight at the end of this one. SO good, but also... quite painful.. 😫 And yes!! The Cas reveal definitely got me/threw me for a loop. Sneaky Cas is fascinating haha. Especially since I don't think he's ever come just to where Sam is... Nervous excitment for the finale!!

thereelrejects
>>33683350

Oh man haha, think we were pretty consistently off-balance for this one 😅love when they're able to deliver that sort of tension/atmosphere. And great call as well! Always have a lot of respect for shows/stories that can ramp up intensity via context rather leaning mostly on physical action. Different medium, but I thought Death Note did an especially good job of that as well since so much of it is a cat &amp; mouse game of context, proximity, &amp; deductions. Shame if people assume it's just a basic MotW show, tho. Although, the attention to character must be especially rewarding if you didn't go in expecting any of that.. Gahh that teardrop!! It was like.. perfect. You watch it form... you watch it drop.. and then Sam swings. 😫 As much as I want them to have it out, it's pretty heartbreaking when they duke it out like this. Sam's accountability is an interesting one here. I really like the addiction angle, and especially right after going cold turkey and then getting another hit in, I guess it's fair to wonder just how much that's actually Sam in there. I like that it's backed up by 2 very distinct ideological barriers as well - they both have reason to believe they're the only one who can do it.. it's funny, at the top of this arc I feel like I was more in Sam's corner, but lately my heart just breaks for Dean. And I'm very scared for Sam haha. Wonderfully gut-punching tension to say the least. Aaaaand why am I not at all surprised by this lol 😂😂 one of these days for fun, I'm just gonna do a deep-dive down the SPN slashfic hole and do a public reading or something. Stay tuned lol. Nervous as hell heading into the finale, but cannot wait! Thanks for coming along with us this far/so far! Can't believe we're almost to the FIFTH season!!!

Michele
>>33677794

I've lately felt the same way about Singer. He's good, but he always seemed pretty casual/laid back. He's been around since the beginning and may need a wake up call now and then to not get too comfortable.

Michele

I'm becoming a big fan of your Reactions. They are so much fun to watch. The looks on your faces! Priceless. Was Greg actually tearing up a little bit? I feel bad for both brothers. Poor Sam for having to go through this and for feeling alone and feeling like he has evil inside of him. And Dean feeling like he is losing the battle to save his brother. He's tried, but nothing has worked. I feel that Sam needs to believe that he is the one that can stop this. That his life will have meaning. There is a part of Sam that made him susceptible to this way of thinking. He needs to feel in control of this thing he is doing. Who he is. And I think he sees the demon blood as giving him that control. He can use his "curse" to do something good. But he seems to be changing too. That's what I worry about. Is it the demon blood changing him, or is he just changing because he feels he has to? Or because he is angry at the whole thing? I worry because it has seemed like Sam was enjoying the feeling of power more and more as we saw him use it this season. And Dean is trying to stop it, but doesn't know how. He doesn't seem to have the tools to get Sam to understand and he doesn't seem to have the ability to trust that Sam is doing the right thing. Both these boys are messed up! They need to just sit down and have a good long talk. Put everything out on the table and talk it through. Will they? I hope. But I don't think John was a good role model for this sort of thing. See you on the flip side!

thereelrejects
>>33684161

First - appreciate you guys handling this. Haven't read all of your back n forth, but thanks for keeping it civil n not letting things escalate 🙌🏼 Now, to your comment, Feather! - Goodness, I can see why! This one felt like a doozy haha, so I can only imagine the finale 😅😰 Things just seem like such a mess between S&amp;D and, like you said, I think they’ve done a great job of allowing you to see it from both their perspectives. Each has a point, but neither is finding the best way to get it across, even with all the best intent… and they’re both convinced they’re the one that has to do it. Sitting here right now, I’m still pretty conflicted. It seems like, under the right circumstances, Sam’s abilities are pretty useful, formidable, and as you said, more humane than just knifing out the possessed bodies.. But if this is the price &amp; if its warping him… That’s some good drama haha. Definitely seems as though the blood-drinking is having insidious effects on Sam.. part of me wonders if there’s some other way? And also how much his mental anguish might figure in, that fear of being the monster? Seems like it does get him out of his brother’s shadow a bit as well… It’s interesting, because I gotta remind myself they’ve both been through a TON. And for Sam, there were at least 6 months where Ruby was probably the only real support he had/would allow himself. I always hope Ruby can truly prove herself some sort of ally, but I can’t rule out the manipulation angle. Agh!! haha. As to the detox, I can see your point. Hadn’t thought much about it at the time, but knowing this I wouldn’t have minded maybe a little acknowledgment of those circumstances, at least? Feels like maybe something Bobby would have some basic knowledge on.. Due to the show’s height and probably seeing the trope on other shows, I wasn’t too bothered; although I can definitely understand the argument that, if you’re going to the trouble of creating an effective addiction metaphor, the detox aspect would be important. But yeah, overall, it doesn’t seem like anyone’s coping well. And the added desperation of the seals isn’t helping that. You can understand why Dean’s doing what he’s doing, but yeah.. definitely doesn’t seem like his way is the way to truly get through to Sam. And vice versa. Oof. I’m nervous for a lot walking into the finale, but ultimately throughout this whole season, the thing I’ve worried for most is just.. Sam &amp; Dean’s relationship. Very scared for them…. Even though I know the show’s gonna continue a while lol.

Shooting the next one most likely tomorrowwwww 😬

thereelrejects
>>33692980

Oof, I can see that.. 😰there is an aspect of the power that, I feel like, allows Sam to get out of his brother's shadow.. was definitely a moment that gave me some pause. QUITE nervous for the finale haha. Dunno how much heavier I can take!! 😅

thereelrejects
>>33762847

Aw, I'm so glad to hear that!! 😊 Really glad you're enjoying. And yesss, if it looks like Greg's getting misty-eyed, he usually is haha. And especially with the intensity of this episode.. those were real tears 😅 As for the brothers, I am right there with you. My heart has been steadily breaking for them pretty much all season, but this was next-level there. I liked the way you've summed up each of their positions. Seems like they both have some sort of need to be The One, but neither is getting through to the other and they're both struggling on the inside. Been fascinated by Sam &amp; the Demon blood - similarly wondering how much of this change is directly due to the substance vs. the power &amp; control it allows Sam to tap into (along with the changes he went through living without Dean).. My guess is it's somewhere in the middle. Either way, though, it seems like Sam will need some kind of reconciliation with his demon side from yellow eyes back in the day.. I've been rooting for a long talk aaaaalll season haha. But yeah, John definitely doesn't seem like he left notes on interpersonal conflict resolution 😅maybe Bobby or somebody can facilitate some sense.. because, if one thing seems clear, it's that neither of them ought to be going this alone... Woof! Haha I'm getting anxious thinking about the next one 😅shooting tomorrow, so only a couple days left!!!

Michele
>>33683350

It may be hard, but I suggest waiting until you finish the show before reading fan fic - especially slash fic. I've heard that it can affect your viewing of the show because that's where your mind goes everytime there's a scene between the two characters that are used in any slash fan fic. Unless you're able to keep them separate. lol

Toasted Toad
>>33683350

Agreed. Maybe not the entire show, but at least not for a good while. It's a crazy world! I've pretty much stayed away from it for that reason. I know that it's there, but I can live without it. Their RL antics provide enough in the way of additional material.

L McB

I agree, that at this point in the series, this was Jared's best performance. He did a wonderful job showing what going through addiction withdrawal would be like. Jensen did a great job as well showing Dean's worry for Sam, and the hopelessness he must be feeling for the situation. The whole of season 4 is a build-up to that last moment where the brothers come to blows. The audience knew it was coming and it was more painful than we'd feared.

thereelrejects
>>34072003

God, you're telling me! This one was a heartbreaker. The whole end of the season in general packed a hell of a wallop and I think both Jared and Jensen (along with Jim Beaver, Misha, etc.) really rose to the occasion and brought some of their finest. My heart is so raw from this season's arc haha 😅

Chaos T

For me, it was this episode where it really hit home that Bobby is the dad where as John Winchester is the father. Also, this is probably the lowest point in the Winchester bro's relationship. In my mind, I know there's way more episodes in the show but even after a rewatch there's a brief moment where I still think the brothers might kill each other. I 100% agree with your analysis that this episode does a great job of telling a story about addiction; way better than most shows accomplish. I've had my own personal demons with addiction and this episode feels so much more honest than a lot of portrayals. For this reason alone it's in my top ten of SPN episodes. To me, this episode gets better with multiple watches.