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PROBLEMATIC ARTISTS: When Do We Separate a Creator from Their Work? (Patreon)

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2019-02-25 19:33:47
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2021-04

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Thanks to ANDREW HAYS for requesting this topic!!!

Just in case ya missed it on the YouTubes, Brianne Chandler (aka MISS MOVIES) joins us to talk about one of the most notable issues in Hollywood (and culture, in general) today!

What are y'all's thoughts on this?  (And it goes without saying haha, let's keep this respectful 😌)

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PROBLEMATIC ARTISTS: When Do We Separate a Creator From Their Work? (Featuring MISS MOVIES)

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Loki Marcus

I don't know if you guys commented on everything going on with captain marvel and Brie Larson, but before I watch I just wanna say my take on it before I lose my train of thought. Now also take my opinion with a grain of salt, as I have only seen a few things about this situation, and don't have full context for all of it. But even though I do not like some of the stuff she said, I don't think bashing the film is fair at all. Some people are giving it low "interested scores" on rotten tomatoes, and overall are saying that because of her comments they won't see the film. I personally think that not going to see a film because of something one person said(even if they are the star) is a slap in the face to all the hundreds of other people who worked hard on it. Some people apparently forget that other people put their passion into that film, and it's not just the Brie Larson show. The film industry has been a melting pot of different people ever since it was created. You have people from different backgrounds, races, and sexes, and most likely, you'll have a few assholes thrown in too. Not saying Brie Larson is an asshole, im just saying in general you'll have all kinds of people working on films.

Loki Marcus

And about Louis CK, maybe I'm an idiot, haha, but didn't he do that stuff like a long time ago? It got exposure recently yes, but I'm sure I remember seeing that it didn't happen recently at all. Maybe I'm just more forgiving because I do believe in redemption, or maybe im just biased considering I like his comedy, but I don't think he's the same person as he was when he did that stuff. Hell, im 19, if I were judged by something I simply said on facebook 5 years ago people would think im an asshole. lol

thereelrejects
>>20221259

I hadn't heard about this, actually, had to do a little Googling haha. This situation, for my taste, seems relatively tame. At least from the vague amount of reading I've just done, it seems like she made some comments about the lack of diversity in the film criticism/press community, which then were predictably misconstrued as "Brie Larson Hates White Guys and Doesn't Want them to See Her Movies!!!" ...which is totally frustrating as it misses the point, but is sadly also a thing that just seems to happen fairly often now. Just looking at the feedback and comments on the Captain Marvel trailers as well as our own videos on them, it seems like there's a certain group of people who just aren't open to it, are ready to hate it before it's even out, and are looking for a reason to feel vindicated in their distaste (i.e. a lackluster trailer, comment out of context, etc.). And I'm sure there are various "reasons" for this, but I'd certainly agree that it's pretty-crappily eschewing the care and hard work of SO MANY other people in favor of something petty. I guess it's hard to warm up to a film you don't like the face of - and nobody has to watch what they're not into, theoretically - but if the reasons for attacking or being adamantly against a film are petty/crappy, you're certainly shitting on a lot of people's work by proxy... and sort of conflating a film and all those efforts with ONE specific figure. Doesn't make a lot of sense, but I guess you can't force people to be thoughtful :-/

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2021-07-15 05:17:03 As for Louis, I'd say he falls on a much heavier part of the spectrum, because his case crosses into real-life, physical misconduct &amp; abuse rather than a crappy difference of opinion. These issues can be tough, but while it was purportedly a long time ago, it's only recently that he's come into a position to be held responsible for his actions. I think there's a discussion to be had about the weight of our actions vs. the weight of perception when those actions are uncovered after a long stretch of time, but with Louis I can't really blame anyone for or argue anyone out of their anger. It's the principle and the precedent as well as the action. And to a certain degree.. you hear about things when you hear about them and have a response either way. It's like with Liam Neeson recently - his attempted-revenge incident happened ages ago, but this is still a revelation about somebody (at least to a lot of people), so that information has affect regardless of the time - which also adds a tricky layer to these things. Louis, himself, acknowledged what he did once people spoke out. Sadly it's been one of those "poorly kept secrets" in the comedy scene for years (at least from what I've heard). But in this case, he abused his status and put people into unwelcome sexual situations which is altogether different than saying some crappy or cringy stuff on the internet. James Gunn and Kevin Hart may have lost gigs due to stuff like that, but they're still working just fine. When it comes to Louis, the problem just cuts a lot deeper. He may not have done anything like that in years, or maybe he has and we don't know about it. But actions like that are a part of a bigger problem and even though there are theoretically worse transgressions (he's arguably not the "same" as, say, a Harvey Weinstein), the allegations are still pretty serious. And in light of them, it's hard to justify elevating him &amp; allowing him such a huge platform - even if he is one of the greats in his field skill &amp; talent-wise. I think, in that respect, it just sends the message that the stuff we like is more important than the wellbeing of the people around. I feel the burden of "when can this person come back?" sorta falls on each individual, but I think the general idea is about seeing some sort of change or atonement take place and some sort of recompense for the victims (which is understandably tricky as well). I know he's had some sets leak lately. Haven't heard any of them yet, but from what I've been told it doesn't exactly sound like he's a changed person from the last time we heard from him, but.. again I haven't heard it. I honestly don't know what the "right" answer to these things is. For me, when I know something like that about an artist or person I like, it just affects my perception of them moving forward. I think the important part is being aware of the things that make him a problematic figure, acknowledging the things that he's done, and taking some time to hear out (in whatever way that's possible) the people affected. And if you still want to listen to his old or new comedy, just ask yourself if you want to be contributing directly to his well-being, how you might be doing that, and what sort of moral obligation (or not) that inspires within you. I feel like we're all figuring this out haha, so this is a bit of a ramble, but hope that made some sense at the very least!
2019-02-26 18:12:43 As for Louis, I'd say he falls on a much heavier part of the spectrum, because his case crosses into real-life, physical misconduct & abuse rather than a crappy difference of opinion. These issues can be tough, but while it was purportedly a long time ago, it's only recently that he's come into a position to be held responsible for his actions. I think there's a discussion to be had about the weight of our actions vs. the weight of perception when those actions are uncovered after a long stretch of time, but with Louis I can't really blame anyone for or argue anyone out of their anger. It's the principle and the precedent as well as the action. And to a certain degree.. you hear about things when you hear about them and have a response either way. It's like with Liam Neeson recently - his attempted-revenge incident happened ages ago, but this is still a revelation about somebody (at least to a lot of people), so that information has affect regardless of the time - which also adds a tricky layer to these things. Louis, himself, acknowledged what he did once people spoke out. Sadly it's been one of those "poorly kept secrets" in the comedy scene for years (at least from what I've heard). But in this case, he abused his status and put people into unwelcome sexual situations which is altogether different than saying some crappy or cringy stuff on the internet. James Gunn and Kevin Hart may have lost gigs due to stuff like that, but they're still working just fine. When it comes to Louis, the problem just cuts a lot deeper. He may not have done anything like that in years, or maybe he has and we don't know about it. But actions like that are a part of a bigger problem and even though there are theoretically worse transgressions (he's arguably not the "same" as, say, a Harvey Weinstein), the allegations are still pretty serious. And in light of them, it's hard to justify elevating him & allowing him such a huge platform - even if he is one of the greats in his field skill & talent-wise. I think, in that respect, it just sends the message that the stuff we like is more important than the wellbeing of the people around. I feel the burden of "when can this person come back?" sorta falls on each individual, but I think the general idea is about seeing some sort of change or atonement take place and some sort of recompense for the victims (which is understandably tricky as well). I know he's had some sets leak lately. Haven't heard any of them yet, but from what I've been told it doesn't exactly sound like he's a changed person from the last time we heard from him, but.. again I haven't heard it. I honestly don't know what the "right" answer to these things is. For me, when I know something like that about an artist or person I like, it just affects my perception of them moving forward. I think the important part is being aware of the things that make him a problematic figure, acknowledging the things that he's done, and taking some time to hear out (in whatever way that's possible) the people affected. And if you still want to listen to his old or new comedy, just ask yourself if you want to be contributing directly to his well-being, how you might be doing that, and what sort of moral obligation (or not) that inspires within you. I feel like we're all figuring this out haha, so this is a bit of a ramble, but hope that made some sense at the very least!
>>20221526

As for Louis, I'd say he falls on a much heavier part of the spectrum, because his case crosses into real-life, physical misconduct & abuse rather than a crappy difference of opinion. These issues can be tough, but while it was purportedly a long time ago, it's only recently that he's come into a position to be held responsible for his actions. I think there's a discussion to be had about the weight of our actions vs. the weight of perception when those actions are uncovered after a long stretch of time, but with Louis I can't really blame anyone for or argue anyone out of their anger. It's the principle and the precedent as well as the action. And to a certain degree.. you hear about things when you hear about them and have a response either way. It's like with Liam Neeson recently - his attempted-revenge incident happened ages ago, but this is still a revelation about somebody (at least to a lot of people), so that information has affect regardless of the time - which also adds a tricky layer to these things. Louis, himself, acknowledged what he did once people spoke out. Sadly it's been one of those "poorly kept secrets" in the comedy scene for years (at least from what I've heard). But in this case, he abused his status and put people into unwelcome sexual situations which is altogether different than saying some crappy or cringy stuff on the internet. James Gunn and Kevin Hart may have lost gigs due to stuff like that, but they're still working just fine. When it comes to Louis, the problem just cuts a lot deeper. He may not have done anything like that in years, or maybe he has and we don't know about it. But actions like that are a part of a bigger problem and even though there are theoretically worse transgressions (he's arguably not the "same" as, say, a Harvey Weinstein), the allegations are still pretty serious. And in light of them, it's hard to justify elevating him & allowing him such a huge platform - even if he is one of the greats in his field skill & talent-wise. I think, in that respect, it just sends the message that the stuff we like is more important than the wellbeing of the people around. I feel the burden of "when can this person come back?" sorta falls on each individual, but I think the general idea is about seeing some sort of change or atonement take place and some sort of recompense for the victims (which is understandably tricky as well). I know he's had some sets leak lately. Haven't heard any of them yet, but from what I've been told it doesn't exactly sound like he's a changed person from the last time we heard from him, but.. again I haven't heard it. I honestly don't know what the "right" answer to these things is. For me, when I know something like that about an artist or person I like, it just affects my perception of them moving forward. I think the important part is being aware of the things that make him a problematic figure, acknowledging the things that he's done, and taking some time to hear out (in whatever way that's possible) the people affected. And if you still want to listen to his old or new comedy, just ask yourself if you want to be contributing directly to his well-being, how you might be doing that, and what sort of moral obligation (or not) that inspires within you. I feel like we're all figuring this out haha, so this is a bit of a ramble, but hope that made some sense at the very least!

Loki Marcus
>>20221526

I listened to a leaked set. It was definitelt rough because its not finished, but some of his jokes that indirectly speak to what happened told me that he knows what he did was wrong and for better or worse wants to get past it. I am also a believer that if you dont like someone, dont watch their stuff, but on the other hand i wont excuse his actions, i simply care about why they happened and what changed about himself.

thereelrejects
>>20221526

Interesting. 🤔 I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious. Maybe I'll have a listen to a little of it at some point, just to see. Have heard a fair amount of conflicting things about it. Personally, it feels a bit too soon to tell, but if he sounds like he's remorseful and turning new leaves, in theory I'm glad to hear that.

Loki Marcus
>>20221526

Yeah i think also the reason hes receiving a lot of push back is because he is famous for having really offensive and dark jokes, and that combined with the obvious makes him that much bigger of a target. His jokes more or less feel the same, because thats just his way of comedy, but the subtext in a few moments tell me his stance on what happened. He has always been the kind of person to joke about difficult topics as a way to work through it.